I just found out what an Ontological arguement was...
Submitted by Tomcat on January 25, 2007 - 2:09pm.I faked being sick from work today because I didn't feel like going, so I decided to learn some philosophy!! Yay! And I finally figured out what this "ontological argument" was, and boy, is it ridiculous! Mind games, delusional mind games. It's sad to know that people were so delusional as to come up with an idea like that. You could create any number of imagined things! Even Thomas Aquinas knew this argument was bunk! An ontological argument seems to be the loophole of all loopholes. Kinda like saying that "since in the Bible it says God is real, and the Bible is never wrong, then God is real! ZOMG so easy."
Ahh, wonderful...
Submitted by StMichael on January 24, 2007 - 10:47pm.Let nothing trouble you, let nothing make you afraid. All things pass away. God never changes. Patience obtains everything. God alone is enough.
Saint Teresa of Avila
Also, the Carthusian motto:
"Stat Crux Dum Volvitur Orbis"
The Cross Stands While The World Turns
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The "Fall" commits an internal contradiction.
Submitted by todangst on January 23, 2007 - 11:06pm.UNDER EDITING
Many christians have little problem conceding that the story of 'Adam and Eve' is a metaphor and not a real historical event. But whether one holds that the story is allegorical or literal, the fact that the story contains an internal contradiction ought to concern every christian. Particularly when the story is supposed basis for original sin, and the supposed requirement of a savior.
First, let's cover a basic part of morality that every christian must accept in order for his moral system to be coherent: sin requires intent. And, in order to intend to do wrong, one must first know the difference between good and evil.
Theist spotting
Submitted by StMichael on January 23, 2007 - 4:35pm.Apparently, my true nature as a theist was spotted. Oh, darn, my game is up...
The definitive refutation of the free will argument
Submitted by skeptic griggsy on January 21, 2007 - 11:50pm.Iruko makes the Meslier-Martin-Lamberth argument that if Heaven is so good , why not Heaven on Earth? Nelson Pike adumbrates that we would be robots if we could not do wrong and therefore, we would not be moral beings.But the same would have to true in Heaven! So, theists special plead that God has to have epistemic distance from us, the hidden god and we have to pass horrendous tests. No rational being cares for worship , so the epistemic distance argument is wrongheaded.The tests are excrutiating at times .Parents put thier children into as safe and good as places as possible without tests.So God is less than a good father .A loving god would not have tempted mankind with the tree.If being a moral being is right , then moral beings should have a knowledge of right and wrong.