Awesome.

Website to look at the evil chicks. Crikey, NormalBob. Fascinating stuff. 

 Check out the Bob Project by Atheist Photographer and Artist Venessa Nina

Color Photos of Normal Bob Smith at Coney Island- Brooklyn New York

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the guy was answering your question; you just didn't hear him because you already assumed you knew what he was going to say; He said everyone gets a chance to go; so if his friends hear the gospel and refuse they refused to go.
here, i'll answer it if you are willing to hear. (don't mind my bad spelling)

I love my friends but they have the same opprotunity as i have to turn to God; if i go to heaven i'm sure i will see all the ways they had opprotunities to go to heaven and I'm sure i will see all the ways the refused it.

Normal Bob, did you offer the Union people a place to stay during Hurricane Irene? If so and they refused to go to your house after all your pleading and they died, i think your reaction would be "I loved them, i told them to come, they didn't listen and now they are dead; what else could i have done."

those people knew it was you behind the pamphlet even though you sent skater bob to do a job you were too afraid to do and they reached out to you and you refused it. You can't say they didn't try.

I bet you have friends who went to the same schools you did; i bet some of them aren't as successful as you are; but you all had the same opprotunities; are you inviting them you stay at your home and are you feeding them and paying for their rent??
 

no, you work hard for what you have... you enjoy your home and probably don't even think of them; so i hope that answers your question;

now i have a question for you; what did your mother do to you that was so bad? why do you hate her so much that you choose to attack her in this way? This is an honest question; you love to answer questions please prove it by answering mine.

If god is the one making all of the rules, then why should anyone have to go to hell ? Sin ? Bullshit.

What sort of sadist would create people, give them certain attributes, and then eternally punish them for having the attributes in which he gave them ?

Besides, eternal punishment for a finite lifetime is probably the most abhorrent concept in existence. There is no justice or love from a deity that would do that sort of thing.

Of course, I don't have to worry, since no such deity exists.

Anonymouse Person. Ask yourself this. Is it ever wrong to kill, murder, torture human beings on the basis of arbitrary thought crimes? Would you kill some one for disagreeing with your utterly subjective and broadly unknowable definition of god? I hope not. In any case, most of what you are serving up here is assertion. There is no proof of a heaven or of the hell that lies behind your words.

The things you are talking about are fantasies and you use these fantasies and your fearful need to preserve your own skin to rationalise away your human responsibility to be morally consistent. Now go away and read this http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml and don't come back to you are fit to play with human children.

If you live in North Korea you have the "opportunity" to kiss Kim Jong Ill's ass. I wonder what happens to people who don't kiss his ass?

It would be one thing if all the humans in your fictional hell were all Ted Bundys and Hitlers. But merely picking the wrong club or not belonging to any club gets you tortured forever.

Your god concept relies on emotional blackmail in the form of threats and bribes. That is not morality, that is selfish and egotistical and takes away the consent of the other person.

As a CLAIM hell and heaven as claims have to be the most horrific fantasies humans invent.

The punishment of the bible is WORSE than Hitler. When Hitler killed the Jews he couldn't torture them forever. God, even for the mere crime of not kissing his ass, despite being good and not hurting others, will treat me worse than Hitler and worse than Hitler treated the Jews.

You have to be out of your mind, to say for example, all the Japanese who died in the Tsunami 13,000 are now burning in hell for the mere crime of not being Christians. SICK SICK SICK, and all you can say is, "They had the opportunity".

That thinking is what allows humans to treat other humans like shit because your own god character treats humans as lab rats, toys, tools all designed to do nothing but kiss his ass.

It is the worst form of needless self inflicted mind slavery but it works because of people like you falling for utopias that don't exist.

The problem with the God of Abraham as depicted as a character in the bible, is that it is not an elected official. You cannot vote this god out of office. You cannot impeach him. There is no consent of the governed. However in real life, when our lawmakers don't do their job, we can vote them out. When they break the law, we can impeach them and even have them arrested. When our cops break the law we can have them arrested.

Kim Jong Ill is the law, just like your God is the law. There is no changing it if you don't like it. In the REAL civilized west we do not behave like the God character. When humans do you end up like the God you worship, a self centered selfish prick out for itself just like a dictator.

Absolute power corrupts and unless you claim that God does not have the final say, then that means he is an absolute power, which makes the entire claim morally bankrupt.

Well, I'm a Jew so I don't believe in Hell, and I'm not all that clear on Heaven.

The reason people who "sin" (whatever that means ...) go to "hell" is for the same reason people who break laws created by governments go to prisons operated by governments.  Don't like the consequences of your actions?  Tough.  Create your own universe and make your own rules.  But like I said -- I'm a Jew, we don't believe in "hell".

And the "eternal  punishment for a finite lifetime is mean!" argument gets about as much traction with me.  The universe won't exist forever anyway.  But let's say it did -- how is a bazillion years less punitive than a trillion?  How long of a finite period of punishment would be long enough, but not too long?

What is far more annoying than all of that is that "belief" cannot be forced.  You can no more force me to be an atheist than I can force an atheist to be a theist.  Which is why, much to the annoyance of Christians, there is no commandment in the Hebrew bible which says "You must believe in G-d or else!"  The day I stopped believing that Jesus died for my sins, I just stopped.  Haven't looked back, haven't had second thoughts in years, haven't actually considered running back to church.  But stop believing in G-d?  Still do and I don't see stopping any time soon.

First of all, I never said anything about dodging the consequences of my own actions. Like todangst signature used to say "Those that know the good, do the good,".

I don't steal, lie, cheat and fuck people over because I CHOOSE not to. I don't do deplorable things, because I find them deplorable. Not because I fear a devil, a hell or think that I am going to get some sort of eternal reward as a result of good deeds.

Which proves to me the idea of punishment after you die is ridiculously stupid.

I didn't ask you if you thought it was stupid (I think it's stupid -- there is no "hell" in Judaism ...), I asked you how long of a finite period of punishment would be long enough, but not too long.

Well, since I am answering an imaginary question, I would think that no amount be necessary at all.

God, could easily beam into the criminal, rapist, murderer, con-artist the exact feelings of all the people that they had wronged into their heads and let them see exactly what they are and I think that would be very sufficient and just.

What would be the purpose of any punishment,  whether finite or infinite, if no lesson were to be gained from it ?

Same thing with all of these people that get out of prison and repeat offend. What is the purpose of incarceration if there is no real chance of rehabilitation ?

Well, as I wrote twice already, I don't believe in "hell", so it's a pretty imaginary question and a completely pointless argument!

Well, since we're discussing it. What exactly does Judaism teach about the afterlife ?

Outside of hearing about the Torah and still waiting for the Messiah, I know very little about Judaism.

I was unfortunate enough to come from one of those staunch Catholic backgrounds.

Nothing.  There is no official "heaven" and there is certainly no "hell".  We do what we do because

1). G-d said so.

2). We're supposed to go out and civilize the world.

That's the way Christians want it to stay.  Judaism makes sense.  Christianity -- not so much.

Judaism isn't a "religion", in the Western sense.  I'm not going to try and make you become a Jew, and I'm not going to tell you my G-d can beat up your god.  If there's a heaven, and you're a decent chap, you get to go to Jew Heaven.  Congratulations!  We have great parties -- you'll like it in Jew Heaven, if it exists.

Christianity is based on practices that are pretty much considered to be stupid in Judaism.  Consider saying "Grace".  We say "Grace" after eating because anyone can thank their provider for food when they are hungry.  And anyone can pretend to "believe" something if they get Giant Gold Covered Mansion Heaven.  Try being a Jew when people have been out to kill you and the rest of your family for 3,800 years.

It would seem like you've gotten much better!

I must say that you have a really good point there.

There's been a pretty big payoff -- when Judaism was in its infancy, killing babies and sacrificing virgins was still all the rage.  We invented proportionate justice and have stronger laws against self-incrimination than the Constitution provides.  Welfare is built into the religion, but welfare recipients have to go out into the field and work for their free food -- something else we've yet to figure out how to do in this country, resulting in an entitlement mentality that is dragging this country down.

Judaism is a tiny religion -- about 12 million Jews in the world, compared to over a billion Christians, another billion Muslims, and all the rest.  But for 3,800 years we been working away at making this a better planet to live on.

Correct.  The Hebrew bible, not whatever you were taught at the Christian cemetary, does not include "Believe in G-d or else you die" as a commandment.  The first commandment in the Ten Commandments (we have 613, Christians like to ignore most of them ...) is "I am the LORD your G-d who brought you out of Egypt to be your G-d".  The next two are don't go making up new ones, and don't go abusing my name.  Nothing there about "BELIEVE OR DIE!"

We could go on with this, but the fact that Judaism doesn't include a "You must believe in G-d or else" commandment is pretty well established in the religion.

You are talking about a sanitized version of Judaism. The Torah is pretty clear that its God is jealous and will punish you with death if you don't worship him.

I can look up texts tonight, but you haven't responded concerning the stoning instructions and the plagues against Egypt and the cleaning of the non-believers in Canaan. You do believe in Joshua, don't you?

Ah Furry! I thought you'd left us.
Don't underestimate this particular theist. She's got a head on her shoulders and teeth as sharp as mine!

Whether or not she is a typical jew is a whole different story.

It seems pretty solid from archeological studies that the Egypt story and Exodus are made up, that the Jews emerged from the tribes of Canaan.

Why do the Ten Sayings/Declarations not condemn torture, rape, or slavery? Or do they use some of the often twisted logic often used to make more enlightened ideas of morality seem to fit into one of the categories.

Like 'thou shalt not kill/murder' really means don't physically harm anyone. Which is contradicted by many statements in Exodus which make it plain that it is OK to physically punish someone, just as long as they don't die.

The hypocrisy dripping from these pages makes nauseating reading.

I'm 'anonymous person"

i totally agree that experiments are the only means of knowledge; that's why i study Normal Bob so closely; see my theory is that if he keeps going down this road that he is going on his 'cleverness' is going to bite him on the butt. i have a theory that all the people he is influencing (i'm a bad and lazy speller) are only going to add to his torments in hell. I also have a theory that there will come a time when he has sold him self out so completely that he won't have a leg to stand on... he's going to get trapped by his own decisions.. look at Gaddafi for example, he thought he was untouchable for so long then he had to run into a hole and then he got dragged on the street... it always starts out 'looking' really good then a person's own people turn on him...if that's how it is here; don't you think there is an eternal justice too? if i were you i wouldn't take my chances

 i feel sorry for Normal Bob, but i also like to learn and study consequnceys so if he's volunteering then I'm watching...

An experiment (or experiments) that form theories, are based on observational data that can be put to a variety of tests, all of which could reach a similiar conclusion.

Karma, afterlife, eternal justice and god have zero evidence to support the idea they even exist.  So experiments and theories, are impossible to form on such subjective ideas.

angry ex-girlfriend, if you really believe that "all the people that Normal Bob is influencing are only going to add to his torments in hell" it gives me real pleasure to tell you to go and fuck yourself. Just take your weird threats and your fake morality and fuck off. My advice is to get over Bob. I know he looks cute in that suit and he's obviously horny but if it did not work between you two, you need to just move on. 

P.S. Oh, I see how Bob is just like Gaddafi. Bob has stolen hundreds of billions from his impoverished subjects and rules violently from a series of palaces with interiors resembling 1970s RSL Clubs located in towns like Deniliquin, Peak Hill and Valla Beach. It all makes sense now. And if I were you I wouldn't bother with intellectual integrity like Bob's trying to do. Just run like a rabbit from the lake of fire, you great numbat.