The Argument For Reality Based on Beauty and Feelings...?

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The Argument For Reality Based on Beauty and Feelings...?
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In My Opinion - To be a Logical and Rational Thinker you have to be able to think above your thoughts to examine different possibilities or better answers/explanations for the subject matters your thinking of. And most importantly you have to not let your Feelings and Opinions get in the way of what's Evident and True to the naked eye, and the naked mind. Being able to understand something is like reaching/approaching a High Mental Barrior. If your mind can't break that mental barrior to think above that subject and it makes sense to "you", you'll believe it without thinking nothing of it. If you can break the mental barrior to think above a subject matter, you'll be able to examine it fully using logical concepts and systems relating to it's functions and properties. You usually have to approach everything with a skeptical mind to realize the Truth and Down To Earth Explaination. How would you begin to find the answer to something like a magic trick? You have approach it with a skeptical mind while everyone else is being fooled by what the magician wants you to see. This is the way that Religious Institutions work, off most Peoples Fears and Willingness to be Fooled without considering Evidence & Facts from the jump.

But also remember that even a lie can be Complex and Meaningful too, Everyone has been fooled before. This also means thinking above feelings and Opinion; common sense tells us that Feelings and Opinion don't fit well in a Fact/Fiction, or True/False situation. But most people are fooled by beauty and the complexity of things they don't understand and let it get the best of them. Thoughts and Feelings are just Mental Systems based on Enviromental Well-Being...

When you think in different Concepts and put them into many different Analogies, you can better understand the situation.

What people "FEEL" is beautiful can be brought down to its Down-To-Earth/Real-Reality meaning and explanation. If you asked the average person what is the Reason for the Presence of Flowers. They would say something like Flowers were put here to "Look Pretty & Give Bees Honey". But in reality Flowers are just Photosynthesized Plant Life that Evolved hear on what we call our planet that just so happen to produce a By-Product that Bees could Thresh off of themselves adding to a cycle of life, as shown by Natural Selection. And land animals like us need the Oxygen that Plant Life gives off to also adding to the Cycle of Life. When you look at a chart of plant evolution you'll find that Flowers are at the tip of the family tree, just a small group of the plant species which we do find pleasing to most of our senses. Scientist and Growers are even inter-breeding different plant species together creating totally new species. Something kind of like Dog Breeding, it's all Evolution at its finest.

Richard Dawkins explains it the best saying...."If there is a logical argument for the existance of a god, it isn't spelled out through matters proponents. It's simply assumed to be self evident, which it most certainly is not!"

But don't get me wrong, Religion has played a major role in building and maintaining a safe social setting by creating Good Moral Concepts for us to follow no matter what the situation of it's god claims may be.

Trying to put something like Beauty into a IS or NOT/True or False context doesn't seem too work because the Fact Always establishes it self as the Truth, No Feeling Can Ever be on the same level as a Fact.

But on the contrary 2 arguments based on Feelings/Opinion ARE ALWAYS PORPORTIONAL to each other, Meaning that as one side of an argument based on Feelings Increases or Decreases the other will do the same. Because when your Opinion starts to investigate or attempt to prove the other Opinion concept wrong, from both stand-points you find out that you get stuck in a forever ended loop in respect to a True False Context. Each of the statements stand alone and explain themselves, they let themselves be their own reason. The Feelings/Opinionated concept of thinking can't be proven, nor can it be disproved…sort of like god.

Feelings should still be important in ones life, but not to the point of using it to explain Reality. Facts can be proven, and the Fact explains itself also as being the Ulimate Certainty, which should mean something Very Important. This is one of the fundations of Rational Thinking.

Does this stand-point come above our natural Feelings/Opinionated minds and understanding? Or is it just a matter of asking yourself which Context do you side more with......

A Fact or Fiction Based Reality only going on Facts and Evidence, Or rather a Reality Based On How You Feel, and What-Ever you think without caring about the Facts or even being able to apply them to the opposing Real Truth Concept?

When you think about it, the Fact/Fiction and Right/Wrong based understanding of reality sort of Over-Comes the Feeling/Opinion based sense of reality in the eye of Certainty. Since if you can't apply something to the fundamental concepts of True/False, what good do they serve in trying to figure out Reality or Physical things like Matter and Energy?

What do you think?

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"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called Insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion, it is called Religion." - Robert M. Pirsig,

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Am I right...?

Am I right...?

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Answer: Yes.

Answer: Yes.

I am not sure I am

I am not sure I am following you correctly, but I'll give my thoughts. 

The Fact/Fiction - True/False way of looking at things is the scientific method. The scientific method however does not prove things to be 100% true. It provides provisional truths that offer tests that would falsify it's "truths." It is the best system for discerning the "truth" that has been invented. It is self correcting and in being so eliminates feelings from muddying it's "truths."

Feelings sometimes do help us in the pursuit to find more "truths" though. Hypotheses that turn out to be true often come from feelings.

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But don't get me wrong, Religion has played a major role in building and maintaining a safe social setting by creating Good Moral Concepts for us to follow no matter what the situation of it's god claims may be.

I disagree with this statement. No holy books needed to be written for society to figure out good moral concepts. On the flip side the holy books provide lots of bad moral concepts that wouldn't be around without them.

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I've been trying to

I've been trying to understand Beauty and Feelings, but they just don't make sense to me. 

And yeah I was thinking of the Scientific Method. And your right when you said it doesn't prove things, cause it's the Answers & End Results that this process comes to or finds.

Also religion in fact doesn't have Good Moral Concepts, I don't know why I typed that. Religion makes followers and others believe their morals are just, when in reality it's just another form of Blackmail feeding off of peoples fears, feelings, and emotions...

Quote:
"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called Insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion, it is called Religion." - Robert M. Pirsig,