Uprooted & Dehumanized
I seem to constantly run into studies and figures which suggest that Major Depressive Disorder (MDD) is now the most commonly diagnosed of all diseases in the typical Western-Industrialised Nations; such as the Eurozone, Scandianavia, the UK and North America. It is tempting to draw a direct correlation between the kind of 'civilization' that we have developed - since these phenomenons are also manifesting in other highly industrialised and organised societies in South-East Asia and Japan - but this is at best a nebulous field of study and it is hard to establish any clear and irrefutable evidence.
Contrary to what many seem to believe, MDD is not about 'feeling blue' or being moody and uninspired, nor is it a question of ordinary lazyness, stubborn mindedness or antisocial unwillingness to participate in social activities; it is a consistent 'state of mind' which by the singular individual is often even perceived as 'normal': This is it. This is what life is about. Nothing has any meaning and death is where it all ends.
According to an American governmental website [1], these are the typical symptoms:
- Persistent sad, anxious or "empty" feelings
- Feelings of hopelessness and/or pessimism
- Feelings of guilt, worthlessness and/or helplessness
- Irritability, restlessness
- Loss of interest in activities or hobbies once pleasurable, including sex
- Fatigue and decreased energy
- Difficulty concentrating, remembering details and making decisions
- Insomnia, early–morning wakefulness, or excessive sleeping
- Overeating, or appetite loss
- Thoughts of suicide, suicide attempts
- Persistent aches or pains, headaches, cramps or digestive problems that do not ease even with treatment
(Note that the symptoms are not consistent in all people and may or may not include all - or even any - of the above list, but the overall condition is characterised by a deeply rooted sense of 'meaninglessness' in the subjective life experience, often in combination with a sense of guilt for being 'self-indulgent'; for not being grateful, or happy, about the perceived opportunities and privileges that our modern lives are offering us.)
Personally, I can't help but think that this is a pattern which reveals a deeper, underlying problem which is embedded in the culture itself; manifesting as well in the tragical events when people 'go postal' and burn out in a destructive rampage, as in the quieter states of individual suffering that so many are experiencing. Whereas it certainly is possible to obtain proper medication and therapy that has a positive effect, surely this cannot be the correct answer to the questions this predicament is raising?
If you ask a religious person, he or she will almost certainly say that the prevalence of MDD is a consequence of humanity having turned away from God. Typically, a Christian person will argue that the abandonment of hope and faith will automatically lead to Hell, defined by the former Pope John Paul II to be a state of being a lost soul, someone who has no contact with God, and that the way back to a healthy and happy life is to open your heart to Christ in prayer. However, a Muslim will say that failing to live your life as ordained by the Prophet in the Quran will lead you into Jahilia, a state of wicked Godlessness where you will be unable to give praise to the wonder of existence in any appropriate way. On the other hand, a Buddhist might argue that the reason for suffering is desire, and that desire comes from Maya, illusion, which is a consequence of life in Samsara, the kingdom of the senses; but that a life in meditation and contemplation can help you realise your Buddha-nature so that you may find Nirvana, enlightenment.
Is it just me, or is there a pattern in there?
Personally, I am not a religious person. I am a philosopher. I have no answers, but I try my best to formulate intelligent questions. However, I will without hesitation agree with any religious person that a lifestyle of mindless consumption and the constant pursuit of momentary pleasures is a certain way to unhappiness and a sustained feeling of meaninglessness. A lack of purpose and direction leads to a life of distractions. Humankind, as well on the whole as on an individual level, cannot live on bread and circus alone, as the Roman poet Juvenal said in his Satire X. The disease that is MDD is a result of environmental conditioning, it's not a weakness of the individual who are experiencing these feelings. If anything, it shows that said person understands that there is something wrong with the picture. It is a sign of intelligence.
Because I am vehemently opposed to the idea that drugs can solve problems, I am skeptical to the common approach of medicine. However, drugs can make you sleep and calm you when you're upset, and as such they may serve as 'weapons of self defence' in an acute situation. But the actual healing has to come from a fundamental change in the patterns of as well thoughts as behaviour. First and foremost, you need to realise that your situation is not unique. On any given day, at least 1 in every 20 people that you pass on the street are experiencing a similar situation of MDD. [2] They can be more or less clever in hiding their true face and glossing over their suffering, but make no mistake; when they are alone with themselves they feel the same things as you do. And they are ashamed of it. They feel weak. Which, of course, only drives the vicious circle into further downward spiral rotation.
Mexican painter Frida Kahlo created a work called 'Broken Column' in 1944 [3], which specifically related to the pains of her medical condition of having an injured spine; but I find it to be a good metaphorical representation of how modern lifestyles are severing the connection between mind and body. However much hyperbole it may be, I am of the mind that modern people are emotionally crippled, simply because we have lost our connection with nature, perhaps even to reality itself, as French philosopher Jaques Derrida [4] claimed. I don't think that any amount of glossing, either by drugs, behavioural therapy, or by desperate submission to religious ideas, is an appropriate way to confront this predicament. Unpleasant as it may be, I think we, as human beings, have to face the fact that we made a wrong turn some centuries ago and that as a result from this we have now created a social system which is essentially inhuman.
We look to paleolithic prehistory for fossils and signs that can give us clues to why we became what we are today. There are several acclaimed milestones; such as controlling fire, the invention of tools and implements, agriculture, and city structures. However, for a deeper understanding, we need to look at 'the human software', i.e. the history of ideas and ideologies, or, more to the point, the study of how ideas move within human populations over time; memetics [5]. In my opinion, it is a crystal clear sign of something being majorly wrong when it has become normal to suffer from depression. One would think that in a healthy society, the only depressed people will be those that has this condition as a secondary diagnosis, following experiences of trauma and other great disturbances in their life. But this is not the case today. We have a situation where it is a 20% chance that any newborn child, during their lifetime, will fall into a state of mind where it seems a rational option to end your life by your own hand.
[1] www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/depression/what-is-depression.shtml
[2] www.wrongdiagnosis.com/d/depression/stats-country.htm
[3] www.abcgallery.com/K/kahlo/kahlo61.html
[4] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Derrida
[5] www.lycaeum.org/~sputnik/Memetics/
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To me the reasons seem
To me the reasons seem clear, having what society tells you you want won't nessicarily make you happy (happiness isn't a short term thing to me its long term). At the same timne looking at what you want or feel you should want isn't going to help. I sort of understand the religous thing but i think that is more about finding meaning rather than a god, Then again many of find the smaller things in life sufficent. Lets face it in the west people are genrally wealthy or atleast have more than the average person in africa for example, money doesn't lead to happiness infact i can think of little more depressing than having money but still feeling depressed. I find myself in agreement with those saying there is a problem with the underlying "western" culture, sure rationally you can have everything you want but humans are not rational all the time. No one wants struggles in there life, but what is a life without them? You can watch as many movies as you like kiss as many girls as you like but eventually you will find you have had enough then what is there?
As a personal opinion i think the problem is people in the west have to much freedom, to much to lose and not enough to gain and not enough real problems. a huge generalisation i know but lets face it if you are out of a job in america there is welfare, there isn't a high rate of unemployment so chances are you can find another job in a reasonable amount of time, crime while presant isn't a huge problem where the "haves" live. If the most you have to worry about is who you are going to marry one day ofcourse your life is gona suck, we all need a feeling of accomplishment.
Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.
Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
No animal shall wear clothes.
No animal shall sleep in a bed.
No animal shall drink alcohol.
No animal shall kill any other animal.
All animals are equal.
The answer is indeed easy.
The answer is indeed easy. Look at Maslow's pyramid of human needs. What is on the top? Self-realization. Once we have food ensured, we keep climbing to the top of the pyramid. There is still greater need for self-realization. Unfortunately, this is not what our society is built for. Our society serves the one god - commerce. Everything is for money, and making money in any way possible is the ultimate goal of everything there is. There are just few lucky individuals who make money in such a way, that it has self-realization as a side effect. Pretty absurd, eh?
Let's make something clear. Making money is not a self-realization. Neither it is consumption. Self-realization is essentially creativity. But all kinds of work are either anti-creative, whether it is a work at conveyor belt, or administrative paperwork, or it is a creativity in marketing and business.
My dream is a system, that supports people in a systematic, organized way, in jouls, calories, square meters, and so on. On top of that basic support, there is an advanced psychology focused on recognizing and fulfilling one's potential, whatever it is. (as opposed to today's selling ourselves to the job market) And there is no end to that potential. Both education and work must be self-realization, the gate to perpetual, gradual enlightenment. Jobs like paperwork or conveyor belt factories must all be handled by machines, we have that technology for decades already.
Commercialization must be destroyed. It is creepy, as every time I see a homeless guy, I realize, that without money I am no better than a smelly, dirty, old, ragged and annoying beggar. When I see my limited money vanishing every time I step out into the city, (I'm an unemployed student) I understand how commercialization puts a noose on everyone's neck, so they rather rob each other blind, to survive. This cannot be.
Beings who deserve worship don't demand it. Beings who demand worship don't deserve it.
Luminon wrote:The answer is
I really think I would have benefited from having learnt some proper psychology in the school.
Downfalls of irrationality, human nature with our human needs, little quirks in the way humans think...
When I came across Buddhism, it seemed quite revolutionary to me at the time. Unfortunately, it was quite simplistic and primitive compared to the full reality of the human condition. I think some proper learning in psychology would really have saved me from a lot of stupid ideas and ideals that have held me back over the years.
Strafio wrote:I really think
Fortunately, esotericism is not simplistic, it's as complex as real life needs. This is why I study my dad's astrologic method, in majority it's a psychology, and pretty advanced one. Most of the time we go through abstract models of behavior (archetypes or intelligences), relate them to various area of life and see how they look on people in subdued, overcompensated, and harmonical form. The goal is to learn and express harmonically as many of the intelligences as possible, and use them appropriately to the situation. This has a lot to do with 'fluid intelligence', I think. This is no "you're born as Aries and therefore you behave like Aries", not at all. This only shows, what kinds of intelligences (several of them, typically) will benefit you most when you integrate them. Typically, people have these intelligences subdued, and when they get hurt, they overcompensate them, and hurt others, and then again decide that it's better to be subdued, and so on.
One particularly evil example of overcompensated Plutonic archetype was also mentioned. (among many other examples) We were advised to deal with such a person by sending him a bullet or human finger in a parcel. More dumb types of that will react well on being beaten almost to death by a group of well paid masked thugs. The secret threat of invisible Damocles' sword will work particularly well on those, who secretly manipulate and destroy others. It must be a mysterious threat, in these cases they usually are friends with the police.
You see, this is a very practical psychology, that will prepare me for life
Beings who deserve worship don't demand it. Beings who demand worship don't deserve it.
I admit to skipping past all
I admit to skipping past all of the posts (and most of the main article) to bring up a point. I have suffered from panic disorder for the past two years. Before I was affected by this, I believed that it was a made up disease that was overblown by the media. Now that I have felt its effects I have become a more caring person. Modern science has come a long way in treating these disorders. In my case ssri medicines were too much while benzos are an absolute cure. At this moment I am not sure that this response has anything to do with this thread. I am very drunk and I thank you for listening to my venting.
-Anthony
"So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence." - Bertrand Russell
Stewie: Yay and God said to Abraham, "you will kill your son, Issak", and Abraham said, I can't hear you, you'll have to speak into the microphone." "Oh I'm sorry, Is this better? Check, check, check... Jerry, pull the high end out, I'm still getting some hiss back here."