i don't have a problem here.  anyone else?

well islam has it's own built in motivation for men.

What browser are you using Shelley?

I see that we've turned to a new page in the thread and the format is ok, but the previous page is still having severe problems calculating the right margin to fit to screen on IE7 apparently because the thread contains a lot of embedded quotes.

In fact in the last few days I've noticed a fair amount of pages with the same problem, and using several machines (though all running IE7).

As regards the thread subject - in my own experience I've met probably an equal number of male and female atheists and with a huge divesity of personalities and views within each group, so that no discernible difference could be deduced based on their stated atheism. When it comes to publishing their views however, or hopping up on rostrums to advertise them, then - like in almost every other field of interest, it is traditionally still the testicled ones that do most of the hopping, shouting and publishing.

roflmao last time I did that sort of thing, I was in high school, and it was a scramble because it was a Senior surprise moment and I'd gone to bed and wearing nothing but my panties.

anyways, with the topic at hand, it could easily be a case of men being more willing to say what comes to mind, rather than taking time to consider consequences. Not that there's anything wrong with that, just that is the way guys go about things due to time being a factor.

I was ragging, iirc, otherwise I wouldn't have had even those on. My mother thought tampons were only for prostitutes.

lol, I can't remember; this was like over 15 years ago. I just remember my best friend coming and knocking on the door and talking to my dad and mother, and my mother knocking on my door telling me to get up.

Kay, my late mom and her mom rocked ! Hey and my old friends mom too, and still rocking at 82 !

We have a special thing ! She calls me kid and likes teasing me, as I do her , and I am 57 .....  She will always be hot,  she's so free ....       Lucky me   

I want what the kids want , and most of you girls.

Cool it, most of you world guys , it ain't working out well .....

I was a persistant heretic in regards to what the Mother(ship) Church told me was right and proper, even though I believed in some of the drivel at the time. That just didn't change the fact my mother was the one who determined what was bought at the grocery store and pharmacy. Buggy in Divine Secrets of the YaYa Sisterhood was pretty much the sort of woman my mother is.

you know what I just realized?   i've never met a girl at all, never mind being an atheist, that was the "let's have a sleepover and give eachother facials" type... Shame...

Or did I misunderstand what you meant?

Anyway, in all seriousness, to the OP: In socio-linguistics class (an elective I took while studying English at the University) I learned that women are more likely to attain the dialect of social groups that are closer to the ruling class of society, whereas men are more likely to embrase the dialect of their immidiate peers. That is, for example, British working class women in London will speak less Cokney than their male peers, and move closer to the dialect of upper class Britian (RP, which stands for Recieved Pronunciation, the Technical term for Oxford-Snob-speek). We discussed the significance of these statistics in class, and obviously, not being sociologist or psychologist we didn't know, but it was an interesting discussion, which brought up many of the same points seen in this thread.

On an interesting side note, my ex-girlfriend, who is as girly as they come, and who also studied English at the University, like me, found RP to be the most beautiful form of English, and even shunned other British dialects, especially Cockney, and other lowerclass forms, all dialects that I find very charming, and have tried to master myself. It was great fun poking fun at her for being a snob, after I learned of these statistics.

Thanks for clarifying Cat. I had figured that was what she meant, but I just couldn't let a vulgar double entendre involving "facials" slip by without comenting

None of the guys on here are going to know what you're talking about.

Help yourself. I share my pudding freely. Nevertheless I refuse to acknowledge any movie in which a bunch of cackling hens exclaim "Ya Ya" in unison.

I calls it like I sees it. It's already been pointed out by several people here that women, intentionally or not, work to maintain those social conventions as much as men do. Cries of "sisterhood" and "equality" ring hollow when I hear women claim that they should embrace the power of their vaginas to exploit mens desire to get said vagina for personal gain, be that a bigger tip (no pun intended), a promotion, or some heavy lifting. I have nothing but respect for women who's motto is "Fuck it, I'll do it myself", but until I see more of that and less of "liberated" women waiting for the man to ask for the date, or not saying thank you when I hold the door as if that's my role rather than simple courtesy, I will maintain my position.

omgz let's go shopping 4 shoes.

bff?? <3<3<3

brb

speak for yourself, please. Me, personally, I only watched the movie 'cause I enjoy anything that makes catholicism look silly.

I get what you're saying about equality and respect and courtesy, and I agree with it. However, not all women are as you've described, even though I suspect many are.

good point, that.

I wasn't confusing you with nutx. I was replying to him.

not an excuse I'd use, being myopic, although I suppose the vice is in soiling the monitor with facial oils and nasal excretions (snot nosed brat here)

would I be right in assuming you know the cherry tree fable?

yeah, fable, written by a preacher after Washington died to make Washington look good.

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~cap/gw/gwmoral.html

it is hard not to be literalist when one is surrounded by literalists and immersed in a culture that extols literalism.

Nonsense. I'm a guitarist, and I share your weakness for the girl drummer. I don't know what it is about them...

good one! Yeah, it does suck, like a Hoover in fact. At least now I know Nordmann employs sarcasm and irony to engage in critical thinking. Not a bad thing to know.

I employ irony to engage in critical clothes flattening.

Sarcasm I don't do at all, says he sarcastically ...

Nobody can. There is no such thing as debate if your fellow interlocutor is unable to think.