Atheist gender question

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Atheist gender question

What is your theory why there are apparently so many more atheist males than females?

Obviously there has to be a solid, reasonable conclusion.   Or is it a perceived misconception?

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Have you tried closing your

Have you tried closing your eyes, relaxing, and counting christians?


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Nordmann wrote:Have you

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Have you tried closing your eyes, relaxing, and counting christians?

 

closing my eyes and relaxing, yes, counting sheeple, no. It would only piss me off.

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Yeah - scrub that

Yeah - scrub that suggestion. You could always convert to christianity - that'll turn the brain off in a jiffy.

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nutxaq wrote:I'm turned off

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I'm turned off by the lack of technical prowess displayed by most female musicians, at least within the world of rock and mainstream music. They seem to all aspire to make poppy, punky garbage.

You may be confusing the available talent with your access to the available talent. That is, there are a TON of fantastic female musicians, but their visibility is low because they aren't Jessica Simpson. Y'know, blonde, 5 feet short, petite, and large-breasted. Music executives and A&R douchebags aren't going to bother with anything outside of that mold, because they're not creative enough. Oh, and if she's fat, she has a big uphill climb. By fat, of course, I mean not starving.

Guys, though, can be ugly, dirty, and inarticulate. Look at Kieth Richards, for crying out loud! Longest-running stardom for a guitar player possible, and he looks and sounds like gravel stuffed into an old leather purse.

The only people who make it in distribution (not just as a local band who gets by having fun making music) do it by working all the time. It's a very competitive business. Even the guys who do studio work in LA (what a scary-ass place Hollywood is) and Nashville (where they still use the word "nigger" to refer to black people and have their pick-up trucks valet parked) are constantly fighting to get gigs. New guys have a really hard time breaking in, if they can at all, and so women would have to be doubly amazing, since it's still a male-dominated profession.

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geirj wrote:HisWillness

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Preaching to the choir. Girl drummers are pretty much my weakness.

... but then, I'm a drummer, so I guess it makes sense.

Nonsense. I'm a guitarist, and I share your weakness for the girl drummer. I don't know what it is about them... 

It was mere speculation on my part. I didn't know the feeling was universal.

Pretty sure it's because they're magical. Okay, just the ones I've met.

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HisWillness wrote:nutxaq

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I'm turned off by the lack of technical prowess displayed by most female musicians, at least within the world of rock and mainstream music. They seem to all aspire to make poppy, punky garbage.

You may be confusing the available talent with your access to the available talent. That is, there are a TON of fantastic female musicians, but their visibility is low because they aren't Jessica Simpson. Y'know, blonde, 5 feet short, petite, and large-breasted. Music executives and A&R douchebags aren't going to bother with anything outside of that mold, because they're not creative enough. Oh, and if she's fat, she has a big uphill climb. By fat, of course, I mean not starving.

Yes and no. Note that the examples I provided are not in the least bit mainstream. I actually knew Adrian Connor before she was touring with Hell's Belles (I'm down like that.). I don't listen to the radio outside of work and feel that phenomena you cited is in large part to blame for the dumbing down of America and the world at large. I just prefer music that is a blend of technical ability and great song writing (emphasis on writing), and don't feel, based on what I've found, that women are as strong in that department. A lot of it is either trite, sloppy, avant garde (The artistic equivalent of religion. If you don't have talent just make a bunch of noise and act like other people "don't get it".), or overly simplistic. I'm not saying by any means that they can't make good music. I'm just saying that they typically don't.

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Nordmann wrote:I beg your

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I beg your pudding, nutx! Not a bad movie, even though Sandra Bullock was in it.

 

My own mother however wouldn't have been out of character at all had she got a lead in Harold and Maude - in the latter role, of course.

The Ya-Ya movie was actually decent--and I hate girly movies. The story was much better than one would have expected.

Harold and Maude is one of the best films of all time. Not to mention the soundtrack. Too bad Cat Stevens went all nutso.


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On the subject of female

On the subject of female musicians: in my experience, women are more often singers, while men men more often play an instrument. Some women will be quite accomplished at an instrument, but oftentimes it is one that can compliment their singing, and allow them to write songs (the piano, first and foremost, and, to a lesser degree, guitar). Think Fiona Apple, Tracy Chapman, Sheryl Crow, Alicia Keys.

 

I am a singer myself (at heart, that is, not by profession, unfortuantely. Not yet anyway, but here's hoping). Some of my greatests idols are women (Fiona Apple, and Annie Lennox, Billie Holiday). I've learned to play guitar, but almost as an afterthought. I simply consider it something I do so that I can sing when I'm on my own. I Imagine many female singers feel the same: the song is their expression, and the instrument is just a necesary element to make and perform those songs. That is part of why female bassplayers and drummers are in a league of their own among female musicians. Their artistic expression is completely different from the girl singer-songwriter with her guitar, or by the piano.

 

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I'm not saying by any means that they can't make good music. I'm just saying that they typically don't.

That certainly depends on how you define "good music". Granted, most women write a different kind of music than most men. But some of my favorite music is written and performed by women (again, Fiona Apple springs to mind). I would, however, be very surprised if it was a women who composed and performed the next big hard rock hit. Music like, say, Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Soundgarden, or MUSE is very male as far as I percieve it. I'm not saying that women don't enjoy it, just that you don't see many women making that type of music. But how it would rock if they did though Smiling More melancholy singer-songwriter men, and more Hard Core, Indie, metal women, now that would be a sight to behold!

But here is a question: would that just* require a cultural transformation, a breaking down of the typical male/female stereotypes we conform to, or do you suppose we are more naturally hardwired to see the next Chris Cornell or Jimi Hendrix be a man (again) and the next Fiona Apple be a woman (again)? A question that can actually not be considered derailing of the thread, since the same question could be transfered to the discussion started by the OP. Could the next mother Theresa be a man, and the next Richard Dawkins be a woman?

 

*Obviously this is not just something you do. That would be a tremendeous undertaking, by any standards, but with time, and the right resources it could be possible, provided this behavior is not hardwired into us.

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Nordmann wrote:I employ

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I employ irony to engage in critical clothes flattening.

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Nikolaj wrote:But here is a

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But here is a question: would that just* require a cultural transformation, a breaking down of the typical male/female stereotypes we conform to, or do you suppose we are more naturally hardwired to see the next Chris Cornell or Jimi Hendrix be a man (again) and the next Fiona Apple be a woman (again)? A question that can actually not be considered derailing of the thread, since the same question could be transfered to the discussion started by the OP. Could the next mother Theresa be a man, and the next Richard Dawkins be a woman?

I think the stereotypes will fall when the actions and behaviorS they describe change. It's entirely possible for a role reversal to occur. Bands like Smashing Pumpkins and Muse (pearsonal favorites) for example definitely have a more effeminate approach, while bands like Kitty and other female metal acts are coming up in the decidedly masculine metal world, while artists like Fiona Apple and Amy Winehouse approached things like sexuality with a bit of brashness and bravado.

In the end though I think we are hardwired and it's usually a fluke or an act of mind over matter when people break away from it.

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kellym78 wrote:Nordmann

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Nordmann wrote:

I beg your pudding, nutx! Not a bad movie, even though Sandra Bullock was in it.

 

My own mother however wouldn't have been out of character at all had she got a lead in Harold and Maude - in the latter role, of course.

The Ya-Ya movie was actually decent--and I hate girly movies. The story was much better than one would have expected.

Harold and Maude is one of the best films of all time. Not to mention the soundtrack. Too bad Cat Stevens went all nutso.

 

decent is an apt word for the yaya movie, and I'll be the first to admit I was being intellectually lazy when I referenced it. I just remember seeing it when my middle sister was around a couple of years back, and she and I both were struck with how similar our mother was to the main character's mother.

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