Well, looks like medical procedures can't be witheld from Gay and Lesbian patients anymore, in California.

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Well, looks like medical procedures can't be witheld from Gay and Lesbian patients anymore, in California.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/18/BA2212D6H4.DTL

Why did this even need to go to a California court? Are these people insane?

Thank goodness this wasn't over a life-saving procedure.

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Now they only need to do the

Now they only need to do the same thing with fucktard pharmacists who won't give out birth control. Same with doctors who won't prescribe it or the ones who won't give women tubal ligation if they're under a certain age and don't have kids - it's quite possible for a woman in her early 20s (or even 18) to be absolutely sure she never wants kids.

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The few theist leaders that

The few theist leaders that are in power over the other 99.?% of theists should stand up and take note of such decisions. It's like the pharms that don't want to have to dispense birth control on religious grounds.

I don't think those at the top of the theist pole are at their most trenchant when they spend energy, time and money on these sorts of things. Can't see where they could believe a win would be in their column through the courts. Then again, they enjoy believing.... and as Carl Sagan once said of astronomer Percival Lowell, "All in all, he believed too much."


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JillSwift wrote:Are these

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Are these people insane?

Yes.  Just curious, but have you spent much time among the religious?  Saying they are deluded is not a jest.  The thinking is warped and many make snap decisions based on fear.  It's not pretty.

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Why did this even need to go to court?

Because many people are insane.  Feel free to bring that up anytime you meet an intelligent design proponent.  If god designed us so well why do so many humans need psycholgical help? 

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anniet wrote:JillSwift

anniet wrote:

JillSwift wrote:

Are these people insane?

Yes.  Just curious, but have you spent much time among the religious?  Saying they are deluded is not a jest.  The thinking is warped and many make snap decisions based on fear.  It's not pretty.

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Why did this even need to go to court?

Because many people are insane.  Feel free to bring that up anytime you meet an intelligent design proponent.  If god designed us so well why do so many humans need psycholgical help? 

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Geez, between a few Catholics supporting the HPV vaccine and now this... I don't know what to think.  It's almost like a tiny glimmer of sanity.

 

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JillSwift wrote:anniet

JillSwift wrote:

anniet wrote:

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Are these people insane?

Yes.  Just curious, but have you spent much time among the religious?  Saying they are deluded is not a jest.  The thinking is warped and many make snap decisions based on fear.  It's not pretty.

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Why did this even need to go to court?

Because many people are insane.  Feel free to bring that up anytime you meet an intelligent design proponent.  If god designed us so well why do so many humans need psycholgical help? 

Rhetorical questions Sticking out tongue

 

 

 

My mistake!  Still getting to know everyone here, taking things too seriously in general and all . . .

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anniet wrote:My mistake! 

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My mistake!  Still getting to know everyone here, taking things too seriously in general and all . . .
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/18/BA2212D6H4.DTL

Why did this even need to go to court? Are these people insane?

Thank goodness this wasn't over a life-saving procedure.

Of course it's a bad to withhold a medical help to a certain group of people. But here it's about insemination. I'm sure that a gay or lesbian couple may be a great parents, but I hope they'll put the kid to some school with very tolerant children and bullies. Also, I hope they'll manage to explain to the kid somehow, that most of population is supposed to find a partner of an opposite gender. 98-93% of the world is straight, that's a fact, no matter how many gay parades there are. Dunno how much are the parents succesful in explaining that to kids, it would need a psychologic survey.
I think that gay and lesbian couples aren't an ideal parents for these reasons. If anything, they should at least adopt a child, if possible, some which would otherwise die by hunger, not make any new.

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Many gay and lesbian couples

Many gay and lesbian couples (and singles) have raised children that grew up normal, happy and tolerant, just like many heterosexual couples have.  There have been several studies published that have deteremined there is no foundation to concerns that children of gay or lesbian couples are adversely affected by those role models.  They do not have expected sexual identity problems, behavioral problems or other psychological problems and are no more likely to be molested by a parent than other children with heterosexual parents. 

http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/publications/lgpchildren.html

Homophobic xtians will always look for ways to castigate individuals and groups whose ideas or lifestyles differ from theirs in even the slightest way.  This is why we have pharmacists and doctors who let their religion get in the way of their oath.  I deliver the mail in a gated area of Bakersfield, CA.  This town is fundy central for the western U.S. and out of more than 700 customers on my route I have at least two dozen preachers living in homes worth anywhere from half a mil to more than two mil.  I am constantly delivering religious materials to these con-artists.  It offends me to have to even handle this crap.  If evangelicals ever get their way and are allowed to refuse services to people based on their religious beliefs I'm going to object to delivering their crap because it goes against my moral grain to deliver religious lies and bullshit to them.  When I'm told I can't then I will sue to prevent jeebus asshats from doing the same.

Religion makes people stupid.  You have to be stupid to believe in such absurd fantasies as xtianity, judaism, islam, taoism, hinduism and all the other assinine ideas con-artists come up with.  As for professionals, particularly in the medical and pharmaceutical fields

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Luminon wrote:Of course it's

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Of course it's a bad to withhold a medical help to a certain group of people. But here it's about insemination. I'm sure that a gay or lesbian couple may be a great parents, but I hope they'll put the kid to some school with very tolerant children and bullies. Also, I hope they'll manage to explain to the kid somehow, that most of population is supposed to find a partner of an opposite gender. 98-93% of the world is straight, that's a fact, no matter how many gay parades there are. Dunno how much are the parents succesful in explaining that to kids, it would need a psychologic survey.


I think that gay and lesbian couples aren't an ideal parents for these reasons. If anything, they should at least adopt a child, if possible, some which would otherwise die by hunger, not make any new.

Bigot.

 

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Jill, it depends on the

Jill, it depends on the state in question as to whether medical coverage is denied. Here in Texas, as of now, a person can be denied coverage at the pharmacy if anything they are, say, or do doesn't meet with the pharmacist's approval. I, for one, can't get birth control because I'm technically single, and the local pharmacist doesn't like that. It sucks, but it's nothing I can stop.

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Kay Cat wrote:Jill, it

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Jill, it depends on the state in question as to whether medical coverage is denied. Here in Texas, as of now, a person can be denied coverage at the pharmacy if anything they are, say, or do doesn't meet with the pharmacist's approval. I, for one, can't get birth control because I'm technically single, and the local pharmacist doesn't like that. It sucks, but it's nothing I can stop.

Updated the OP to be properly specific.

Though you can't stop such bigotry on your own, perhaps there's a group of athei... er, wait, you're in Texas.

Move? Albuquerque is still pretty liberal.

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Silly gays, they think

Silly gays, they think they're people.


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Kay Cat wrote:Jill, it

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Jill, it depends on the state in question as to whether medical coverage is denied. Here in Texas, as of now, a person can be denied coverage at the pharmacy if anything they are, say, or do doesn't meet with the pharmacist's approval. I, for one, can't get birth control because I'm technically single, and the local pharmacist doesn't like that. It sucks, but it's nothing I can stop.

Wouldn't it be fun to open up a pharmacy, then just deny everyone and make up crazy reasons for it?

"Sorry, I don't serve people with blonde hair.. you are all dirty smelly people."

"We have a no tolerance policy for people shorter than 5"8."

"Sir, we don't dispense to people with mustaches. They might be terrorists."

Hell, that could be a reality comedy show on TV.

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I wonder if they could be sued under a federal civil rights law - I'm sure if they refused based on race or nationality it would happen.

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MattShizzle wrote:I wonder

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I wonder if they could be sued under a federal civil rights law - I'm sure if they refused based on race or nationality it would happen.
A few decades ago I'd say that such a suit would win, and be sustained.

But the loonies have obfuscated the issue, saying that it's the rights of the (in this case) doctor that are being infringed.

I don't exactly understand how that is true in their microscopic little minds, as I don't remember any "holy" tome mentioning the sinfulness or abomination-ship of artificially inseminating a woman... Lesbian or otherwise. To anyone outside such a situation it's clear as can be that it's pure bigotry.

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Bulldog wrote:Many gay and

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Many gay and lesbian couples (and singles) have raised children that grew up normal, happy and tolerant, just like many heterosexual couples have.  There have been several studies published that have deteremined there is no foundation to concerns that children of gay or lesbian couples are adversely affected by those role models.  They do not have expected sexual identity problems, behavioral problems or other psychological problems and are no more likely to be molested by a parent than other children with heterosexual parents. 

http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/publications/lgpchildren.html

Allrighty then thanks for the info. One more of my worries disappeared.


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Religion makes people stupid.  You have to be stupid to believe in such absurd fantasies as xtianity, judaism, islam, taoism, hinduism and all the other assinine ideas con-artists come up with.  As for professionals, particularly in the medical and pharmaceutical fields
That's true. To be precise, religion is an emotional thing and doesn't require a cognitive activity. Many animal species has very highly developed emotions, even to a moving/pathetic degree. Human species inherited these emotions from animals and this is what religion is based on. For example, argumentum ad baculum is based on an emotion of fear.
It is a sign of people being controlled by their emotions. Whatever an evolution of humans is, it involves an achievement of this kind of self-control.  (thus a high Emotional Quocient)

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Bigot.
Nope. Just formerly ignorant about it. I had never seen a homosexual or a lesbian I'd surely know of, and of course not a homosexual couple. They legalized this kind of partnership here rather recently, and probably not a homosexual parenting yet. I don't live in a city (I just work there), but in a village of about 1500 people, dispersed over a large area. This is why I can't really know what is going on with people generally, and about children of homosexual couples. I expressed my opinion, Bulldog provided me with information, I acknowledged it and changed my opinion. Done.

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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/18/BA2212D6H4.DTL

Why did this even need to go to a California court? Are these people insane?

Thank goodness this wasn't over a life-saving procedure.

THOR DAMN IT! GAYS HAVE RIGHTS?

Next thing you know blacks will want to use the same bathrooms and atheists will get elected to political office and women will have the right to vote!

FUCK! What ever happened to good old fashioned bigotry?

 

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Jill, it depends on the state in question as to whether medical coverage is denied. Here in Texas, as of now, a person can be denied coverage at the pharmacy if anything they are, say, or do doesn't meet with the pharmacist's approval. I, for one, can't get birth control because I'm technically single, and the local pharmacist doesn't like that. It sucks, but it's nothing I can stop.

Wouldn't it be fun to open up a pharmacy, then just deny everyone and make up crazy reasons for it?

"Sorry, I don't serve people with blonde hair.. you are all dirty smelly people."

"We have a no tolerance policy for people shorter than 5"8."

"Sir, we don't dispense to people with mustaches. They might be terrorists."

Hell, that could be a reality comedy show on TV.

 

ha ha ha I like the way you think! Well, aside from the fact I'm blonde, and that first one just isn't always true. Most of my brunette relatives are the ones who don't smell so nice. They also have allergies to thin slivers of metal, if you catch my drift.

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What the hell? Was it ever

What the hell? Was it ever legal to withhold medical treatment based on ANY criteria not health-related?

I realize I'm a bit late to the party, but I'm still shocked nonetheless. Thank goodness it's been sorted out.


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What the hell? Was it ever legal to withhold medical treatment based on ANY criteria not health-related?

Yeah, really!  I'm kind of puzzled as to when the switch happened, and it became the S.O.P. to assume that your religious beliefs trumped equal rights and all that.

 

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Kay Cat wrote:stillmatic

Kay Cat wrote:

stillmatic wrote:

Kay Cat wrote:

Jill, it depends on the state in question as to whether medical coverage is denied. Here in Texas, as of now, a person can be denied coverage at the pharmacy if anything they are, say, or do doesn't meet with the pharmacist's approval. I, for one, can't get birth control because I'm technically single, and the local pharmacist doesn't like that. It sucks, but it's nothing I can stop.

Wouldn't it be fun to open up a pharmacy, then just deny everyone and make up crazy reasons for it?

"Sorry, I don't serve people with blonde hair.. you are all dirty smelly people."

"We have a no tolerance policy for people shorter than 5"8."

"Sir, we don't dispense to people with mustaches. They might be terrorists."

Hell, that could be a reality comedy show on TV.

 

ha ha ha I like the way you think! Well, aside from the fact I'm blonde, and that first one just isn't always true. Most of my brunette relatives are the ones who don't smell so nice. They also have allergies to thin slivers of metal, if you catch my drift.

I'm picking up what you're putting down.

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