Oh the Irony
Offline I was wandering around Facebook as one does when bored, when I happened on the group Destiny Harvest, a nearby church I had attended as a xtian. I Instantly did a double take. It seems this super godly group was using nothing less than the infamous and scandalous Piss Christ ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ ) as their group picture.
Either the creator of the group unwittingly thought it's just a pretty picture of a shining cross, or is a closet atheist laughing at the church's expense.
I'm so torn between enjoying the joke privately or telling them their group is blasphemous..
The group: http://tinyurl.com/5nbmuj
Psalm 14:1 "the fool hath said in his heart there is a God"-From a 1763 misprinted edition of the bible
This is getting redudnant. My patience with the unteachable[atheists] is limited.
Argument from Sadism: Theist presents argument in a wall of text with no punctuation and wrong spelling. Atheist cannot read and is forced to concede.
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Offline thatonedude wrote:jmm wrote:Don't be so hasty to dismiss this as either ignorance or closet atheism. I'm a Christian, and I'm a big fan of sacrilege--it's not for everyone, but I don't think it's necessarily blasphemous, and it can even be a healthy addition to one's spiritual life.
Well, then, you are firmly outside of the entire framework which supports the Christian religion.
Not really. I do find myself outside of the mainstream Christian understanding the world as well as the Christian faith, but I'm still firmly inside of the framework which supports the Christian religion--I believe that I am inherently depraved, and that there is a redemptive quality in Christ, be it mythological, psychological, symbolic, physical, or whatever.
Quote:Blasphemy and sacrilege are both condemned unequivocally in both the New Testament and the Old. Why, then, do you lay claim to the name Christian?Yes, but 2000 to 3000 years later, we understand the world in a vastly different way than our ancestors did. Also, I'm not saying that all sacrilege is beneficial to all spiritual people, I'm saying that some sacrilege can be beneficial to some spiritual people. I hesitate to use the word "postmodern", but it's something like that.
It looks like you're saying that since the depravity came from events beyond your control, the redemption must be the same.
Also, of what use is a symbolic/mytholgical redemption (unless the depravity is the samel)?
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
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Offline As an atheist jesus fan, what's with xains who adore a jesus nailed to wood? Brutal blood lust? That god loves you?
Why would an all-powerful god become flesh in order to sacrifice himself to himself so that his creation might escape the wrath of himself. Couldn't god, in his infinite wisdom, come up with something a little more efficient? ~ Brian Sapient
"Religion is Poison" ..... "Dogma is Religion" ..... You are the shit that cares, not some "other" god thingy of any invention.
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Offline Unless they understand the intent of the piece.
Yeah...
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fucking hilarious
looks like they have no idea.
Thanks for the fixed link, didn't realise mine didn't work.
The fact that I know several of these people and this church is one of the crazier 'run around speaking in tongues and falling over' one's you'll ever encounter makes it all the more funny for me.
Psalm 14:1 "the fool hath said in his heart there is a God"-From a 1763 misprinted edition of the bible
Argument from Sadism: Theist presents argument in a wall of text with no punctuation and wrong spelling. Atheist cannot read and is forced to concede.
Too funny. Oh to be a fly on the wall when they are told what that picture really is.
Don't be so hasty to dismiss this as either ignorance or closet atheism. I'm a Christian, and I'm a big fan of sacrilege--it's not for everyone, but I don't think it's necessarily blasphemous, and it can even be a healthy addition to one's spiritual life.
People who think there is something they refer to as god don't ask enough questions.
I really don't feel like playing these tired old games today, but:
My definition of a spiritual life is the active engagement and nurturing of one's thoughts in relation to one's personal concept of god. You guys would probably lump it in with psychotherapy, but it's more than that. I'll spare the details for the sake of keeping the thread on track for once.
I think it's commonly referred to as alcoholism.
Ha, it only took 7 replies for this thread to descend. You guys are becoming increasingly efficient.
People who think there is something they refer to as god don't ask enough questions.
Well, then, you are firmly outside of the entire framework which supports the Christian religion. Blasphemy and sacrilege are both condemned unequivocally in both the New Testament and the Old. Why, then, do you lay claim to the name Christian?
All that is necessary for the triumph of good is that evil men do nothing.
Emotional well-being is part of it, but like I said, I'm trying to avoid a complete derailment here. You would heartily disagree with my response to you, so I won't waste time and space.
Yes I will disagree if you claim 'god' is involved. Emotional well being does not need a concept of 'god'. And this is not a derailment
People who think there is something they refer to as god don't ask enough questions.
Not really. I do find myself outside of the mainstream Christian understanding the world as well as the Christian faith, but I'm still firmly inside of the framework which supports the Christian religion--I believe that I am inherently depraved, and that there is a redemptive quality in Christ, be it mythological, psychological, symbolic, physical, or whatever.
Yes, but 2000 to 3000 years later, we understand the world in a vastly different way than our ancestors did. Also, I'm not saying that all sacrilege is beneficial to all spiritual people, I'm saying that some sacrilege can be beneficial to some spiritual people. I hesitate to use the word "postmodern", but it's something like that.
True, not in all instances, but it depends on whose emotional well-being you're talking about.
Right, I just didn't want it to turn into yet another flame war revolving around "lol you can't prove god exists therefore your a asshat". I wanted us to be able to move beyond that for the sake of everyone's time involved, as well as Brian's server space. But it's taking shape, so I'm not worried.