It's just a wiring problem.

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It's just a wiring problem.

 

This is obviously a hardware problem. Richard Dawkins likes to make the argument that is one is born in a Muslim culture they would be Muslim. Same with being Hindu or worshiping Zeus in ancient Greece. Fine, but he would be religious if doing so brought him the same level of comfort and good feelings as it does the religious or if he were sufficiently indoctrinated(programmed) as a child. People like him are wired so that understanding how things work provide more pleasure than believing in superstitions. As Christopher Hitchens puts it “"Our prefrontal lobes are too small and our adrenalin glands too big". I would put it this way, our pre-frontal cortex to solve and understand our environment fails provide adequate and sustained stimulation of Nucleus Accumbens”. The Nucleus Accumbens is the pleasure center of the brain. Rats with electrodes implanted into their nucleus accumbens repeatedly pressed a lever activating this region. They would do so in preference to eating, drinking or sex. They will do so until they die of exhaustion. The pre-frontal cortex is involved in complex cognitive behaviors, personality expression, decision making and moderating correct social behavior. People who have damaged pre-frontal cortex often exhibit ‘sinful’ behaviors: 
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When the pathways between the prefrontal cortex and the rest of the brain are damaged due to head injury, massive personality changes can result. The prototypical example is Phineas Gage, a railway worker whose prefrontal cortex was destroyed by a railroad spike. He survived, but he exhibited shocking behavior, getting into fights and choosing the pleasurable and the easy over longer-term satisfaction. One might say that the prefrontal cortex is the neurological basis of the conscience. Weak interconnections between the prefrontal cortex and the rest of the brain have been observed in criminals, sociopaths, drug addicts, and schizophrenics.[\quote] Now the way our brains evolved, limbic system is embryologically older. The limbic system is involved in the regulation of emotion. The limbic system is highly connected to both the nucleus accumbens and the prefrontal cortex. So humans are capable of deriving pleasure both from the solving of problems and through emotional reactions. So it seems to me that basically theists are theists, not because they really believe in any cognitive way, Rather because when they go into belief mode, emotions are stirred, anxieties reduced and the nucleus accumbens is stimulated. Humans are creatures of habit. So pathways are developed to bring pleasure and relief via religious activity. The religious seem to reverse interaction between the pre-frontal cortex and limbic system. Without religion, we would use these regions of the brain to regulate our behavior in order to activate rewards. In religion, you have a lot of fear wound up in the limbic system, then this fear is supposed to regulate the activity of the pre-frontal cortex to keep one from being ‘sinful’. I think we should all face the fact that we are just wired differently than theists, probably a combination of genetics and environment. If a machine could be developed to properly stimulate the Nucleus Accumben when we ‘believe’, we would all convert to whatever religion the people controlling the stimulation wished us to ‘believe’. So it seems to me it is a waist of time to argue with theists, they don’t believe in any cognitive way. They need to use music and melodic sermons and whatever techniques they can to create the emotional responses that active pleasure and reduce anxieties. They just bypass the pre-frontal cortex to get their pleasure. They are just rats pushing the lever. So what is the point of arguing with them? Essentially, we have a hardware problem. You’re trying to change their software when the hardware only gives them pleasure from ‘belief’ and not pleasure from rational thinking.  The end of religion can only come about with technology to directly stimulate the Nucleus Accumbens. This stimulation would need to be correlated with rational thought processes and bypassing emotions generated in the limbic system. So I think if the goal of this web site is to ‘fix belief in God’, it needs to become a site dedicated to the neuroscience research and developing the technology to monitor cognitive processing in the prefrontal lobes and stimulation of the Nucleus Accumbens. This technology could enable an artificial pathway between rational thinking and activation of the pleasure centers. It’s all just a big wiring problem. 

 

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I think you're on to

I think you're on to something lately. I think there are too few of us who enjoy putting pieces of the puzzle into place and seeing it work. I mean, enjoy it to the point that we practice it all the time.

Do you think there's a societal solution, something to make the enjoyment of thinking for yourself as enjoyable as watching a football game? Or are we screwed?

"Yes, I seriously believe that consciousness is a product of a natural process. I find that the neuroscientists, psychologists, and philosophers who proceed from that premise are the ones who are actually making useful contributions to our understanding of the mind." - PZ Myers


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nigelTheBold wrote:Do you

nigelTheBold wrote:

Do you think there's a societal solution, something to make the enjoyment of thinking for yourself as enjoyable as watching a football game? Or are we screwed?

Simple answer...

 

We're screwed until some one finds that solution ^_^

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What about Denmark, Sweden and Norway?

The Scandinavian countries have the highest proportion of atheists and Denmark is considered the country wherein the populace are the happiest in the world. Religion hijacks the minds of the those who need social connection and religious communities provide those emotional needs particularly in the United States. Yet in Denmark which has a low unemployment rate, a decent healthcare apparatus and education, liberal morals, etc.., there is no need for religious communities to take prominence. In those lands, people are satisfied with their lives and have no need to beckon a supernatural deity. Thus, secular communities flourish there. Contrast this with the immigrant muslim populations who become more isolated into their fundamentalist shell groups.

So what's the solution? Ask the Danes and the Swedes.