Yet you have devoted some time to criticizing those who have.

Could ONE thread be an accurate representation of anyone???????

... for a very long time until the mods decided it was enough. It required a discussion. What makes you think this timeout for anonymouse required anything more or less?

If the guy was promoting the idea that Jews should be killed or some kind of antisocial thing like that then why not just say that? Why take this roundabout approach saying that I'm ignorant because I don't know his greatest hits?

I don't really see any reason to continue this because I'm not his avocat and it's not very important to me. I just don't think any group should be exempt from criticism just because of minority status.

so you chose not to read any and say "He's not so bad" = gotcha.

Do you find anonys views offensive, or just the thought that you might share them?

I apologize for the offense and I'm glad you don't share his views.

Anti-Zionism isn't always anti-semitism. However, they run so close together that in my opinion, the anti-zionist doesn't even know when they become anti-semitic. Such is the way dogmatic ideologies go it seems.

Zionism refers to the desire for the jewish people to have their original 'promised land'. A place that was supposed to be free from anti-semitism.

There is no such thing as Semitism, only anti-semitism because it refers to discrimination against the race.

When thousand and thousands of people are suffering, are living in fear and are trapped in a self-perpetuating circle of hatred, who cares how "useful" such a conflict is.

This apart from me not believing that the disastrous events that have taken place (and are taking place and will be taking place) in the Gaza strip are in any way useful for any secular movement anywhere: this conflict is religious enough for believers to only entrench themselves further in their own ideological/pseudo-spiritual thoughts and ways. Worse: there are droves of Muslems, Christians and Jews who are delusional enough to believe that this violence is all prophecies being fulfilled. Which makes the threat, issued by Israel, of "Disproportionate" violence, a very scary one. What are they implying? The use of nuclear weapons perhaps?

And if so, why? Because Israel will suffer too, if they use them. And they know it... unless their decision makers actually believe that the end times are coming, and that a nuclear holocaust would be ideal to help it along. (and do not underestimate the religious insanity of, especially, Likud- I don't trust those madmen much more then I trust even Hamas)

I see no opportunities in this conflict, it just makes me sad and scared

I never said that. Why do you say I did when I did not? Has this entire exercise been based upon your false version of what I have said?

What specific statistics do you claim I fabricated? Why do you accuse me of lying when I have not lied?

What SPECIFICALLY do you refer to when you say "myopic"? What physical evidence can you produce which is contrary to what I have posted? If none then please do not pretend to mere assertion on your part making for fact.

So you would insist I adopt your izziehugging assertion that the lawful resistance to occupation is terrorism. Why would I adopt something so obviously false?

I specifically stated my problem with Zionism. To repeat the foundation of Zionism is theft and murder. Without theft and murder there can be no zionism. No one could ever declare themself to be a Zionism without adopting a policy of theft and murder. Since any reference to a zionist is to a murderer and a thief why do you find the adjectival use of animal improper?

If you think I am in error you are free to post the physical evidence which shows I am in error.

Where is it written that a person can be born a Jew? The bible and only the bible. There is no other foundation for the idea. Atheists do NOT accept the bible as an authority for anything. Therefore no atheist can accept the absurd concept of "secular" Jew any more than secular Christian or secular Muslim.

You are a bad person. You openly state they rejected free land and chose to murder to steal the land and property of other people. It is rational to be anti-zionist and anti anyone who supports, condones or forgives zionists and zionism.

Who told you I wrote about the "jewish people" and why did you believe them? This thread is about the on-going crimes of Zionism and the fact that Israel is by law a Jewish state and by survey 79% of the Jews in the world support the massacre of Gaza. And before anyone claims 21% oppose, consider there is a large "no opinion" middle ground before one gets to the 9% against.

I spent a quarter century in Washington in and around DOD. I cut military actions a lot of slack. I do understand China's response to Tiananmen Sqare. I understand Chechnya. I also understand Israel's position and I see their logic.

However that does not make Israel's actions other than they are. Nor does it make the supporters of Israel's actions supporters of other than Israel's actions. The actions of Israel are THEFT and MURDER. It is no different than a criminal deciding on a shootout instead of a surrender. Anyone supporting the criminal is better than the criminal. It is no different from cheering for Son of Sam.

Lets see. Inventing the Jewish People starts with a Jewish, Israeli historian who is also the author of a best seller in Israel of the same title. And it confirms the post I started before knowing about his book which was inventing the Jewish race. Two out  of three of your complaints are impeccably both Jewish and Israeli and academic on top of it.

But it is safer to prevent me from responding so you do not have to explain by a Jewish, Israeli academic and author of a best seller in Israel is saying the same thing I am saying.

Yes, I do expect to be banned permanently for being an uppity nigger.

While it is true I was given specific reasons it is also true that I NEVER did what the reasons claimed I did. Therefore the reasons were no more than lying excuses to justify silencing me forever instead of just the one week originally asserted.

No, I call them murderers and thieves - calling them animals as you do absolves them of responisbility.

Why do you not want the Israeli government to be responible for their actions? I thought you were pro-Palestinian.

It is a fact that Jews are always claiming to get the raw ends of deals. I have shown several of those claims are not supported by the evidence. I have also demonstrated they have been better treated by Christians than members of any other religion.

As for being left alone they did not choose that for themselves. They do not want to be left alone. They are constantly vying for public attention solely for being Jews. I have no idea what motivates the frauds who call themselves Jews save perhaps noteriety.

When does the holocaust movie of the month stop? When does the holocaust hoax novel of the month stop? When does the whining stop? Hint: They are still pissed at Hamen.

Why the plea for something they did not choose and do not want and make every effort to avoid happening?

Next we have ask, do murderers and thieves deserve to be left alone? They continue to rob, torment and murder millions of Palestinians every day. Their occasional military attacks on them merely break the monotony of the day in, day out reign of terror imposed upon Palestinians.

Why should anyone who supports them be considered any different from them?

The world has a precedent in this matter. Nazis are hunted down do their dying day. So also must it be with Zionists.

Beyond the fact that there is no physical evidence supporting the mystical number, if we look at the world population of Jews at the time as 13 million we find less than half are claimed to have been holocausted. If we look at the total number of surviving Albagensians were find 100% were holocausted. If we look at the total number of surviving Odin and Zeus worshipers we also find a 100% holocaust. Who mourns Adonis? Who mourns Adonis worshipers?

The official claim of the holohuggers is that it all occurred between June 1941 and late 1944 not over fifteen years. The Albagensians were mostly exterminated in a single surprise uprising lasting no more than a few weeks. It takes little googling skill to find other "heretics" who were exterminated for nothing more than who they were.

You can find a more inclusive record of exterminated peoples studying the spread of Islam. If you give any credence to the Old Testament as an historical record you can find the oldest records of wars of extermination and in fact the invention of the entire idea which was copying by Christianity and Islam. That is lesson number two, always set a good example.

You appear to know nothing of the Zionist enterprise in Palestine. You can find the intent to use violence to steal the land in the diaries of Herzl. It is clearly spelled out in the writings of Jabotinski. Avi Schlaim, Noam Chomsky, Tanya Reinhart, Neve Gordon, Tom Segev, Yuri Avnery, Ilan Pappe, and Norman Finkelstein using the official records of the government of Israel have dispelled all the juvenile mythology of innocent Zionists attacked by evil Arabs. All the evidence, all the writings and all the official records show the Jews started the violence in Palestine. I have chosen sources who are also Jews for you to review.

Your next step should be to attempt to tie together the holy holocaust and actions in Palestine. That fails in that the planning began before Hitler was born. Using one crime to justify another is pleading for mercy for a murderer for having had a difficult childhood.

You will have to ask them about their rationale. Unlike you, I do not consider them authorities in the matter of race. For the record the KKK expended most all of their efforts against Blacks and Catholics and very little against Jews. Religious prejudice in the US is lead by the Latter Day Saints, followed by the Catholics with Jews a very distant third.

All the books in the last 20+ years have been exposed as hoaxes. The movies have all been flops including Schindler's List. He bought an Oscar with a Schindler. One of the local TV stations recited the Schindler hype about lines around the block while showing no line at all at the major local theaters. The books have been hoaxes. No one knows who actually bought them. It only takes 10,000 a week to make the bestseller list.

When New York publishers and Hollywood producers keep cranking out this stuff it confirms my statement that atttention is being sought. Look at how well we suffer! Poor us. This is contrary to wanting to be left alone.

Again, why do you plea for what they do not want?

My sources for the following are mostly www.haaretz.com with some www.jpost.com  and a bit from others which are both israeli and jewish.

It is a war crime and a hanging offense for a country to settle its population in lands conquered in war. That principle is accepted by accepting membership in the UN. East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights all have Israeli citizens settled in them. There are some 400,000 criminal squatters living in occupied territory.

The database used by Israel for those squatter towns published just last month by Haaretz, which does not include east Jerusalem or the Golan shows 30% of them are built on the private property of Palestinians. That is good enough for robbing. However it that is not enough for you I can look up the segregated, jews-only highways build in the territories on confiscated land.

Tormenting brings to mind the 400+ permanent roadblocks and checkpoints and the 200+ roving roadblocks and checkpoints. Torment enough for you? How about the daily attacks on Palestinians by the squatters? The destruction of their orchards and crops? The killing of their livestock?

If that is not enough torment to satisfy your heart on torment then we can talk about the blockade of Gaza. Its stated purpose was to permit only the bare minimum of food and commodities to sustain life. The phrase was "put them on a diet." The implementation showed the intent of near starvation and minimal fuel. And then the random attacks prior to the recent massacre destroyed infrastructure like power plants and water purification plants.

This seques nicely into flat out murder but one can point to the infinite bad luck of the IDF. When they have an accidental discharge of a rifle it always hits a child in the head at a distance of at least 100 yds. Their accidents are particularly directed towards school children. Of course some times they claim justificaton. That 9 year old girl could have had a bomb in her school book bag. And who knows what her corpse might have done if a clip from an M-16 were not emptied into her body at close range.

I get all the above and much, much more from impeccably jewish and israel sources.

The Zionists were the aggressors in Palestine. They still are the aggressors in Palestine. Their own historians using their own records have confirmed it. Their own leaders from the 1920s onward were openly terrorists and so identified by the British. So far the Palestinian resistance has yet to sink to the level of those Zionists.

You may stick your fingers in your ears. You might also actually read the sources whose URLs I have given and learn for yourself as I have learned.

The conflict is very easy to understand.

Jews stole the land. The owners want it back.

That is all anyone needs to know about the subject. That is all there is to know about the subject.

Animals kill on survival instinct. By calling murderers animals you say that they are doing what they must to survive - they can't help themselves.

That's why i don't use the term anymore (though it is useful sensationalism).

As far as trials and punishment - yes for both sides. I don't hold a double standard on homicide.

Yes, use the murder, devastation and desperate pleas of thousands of homeless and grieving human beings to promote and advertise atheism.

In my letter to you turning your account back on I wrote...

"Use your anonymouse acct, the "one week ago" acct is blocked.  Sorry for the delay in turning your acct back on, try to keep your nose clean.  Launching bullshit criticisms at the mods here would not be keeping your nose clean, as you did with your "oneweekago" account."

Stating that we wanted to silence you forever is bullshit.  We forgot to turn your acct back on at the exact time we stated we would because frankly you fall very low on our list of give a shit.  I personally thought another mod would get to it, they all probably thought, hopefully Sapient forgot.  Because frankly most of us don't like anything about you.  With that said, launching criticisms at the mods which aren't factual in the consistent manner you are doing so will get you closer to that permanent ban.  If we wanted you to have been permanently silenced you wouldn't even be able to read this post right now, let alone write one.  So shut the fuck up and get back to seeing how creatively you can derail threads into hating the jews. 

I was referring to the initial statement.

If a thing is a matter of common knowlege such as the facts which are in the history books there is no reason to do so. I post with the assumption the participants here are old enough to have a working knowledge of elementary material. If a participant does not then it is up to him to correct his knowledge before engaging in discussion.

First of all, my statement may have been a little harsh.  We don't like you much, however I'm sure we could find a few redeeming qualities.  With that said, your surety that you aren't liked for the things you've said is one reason to add to the list of reasons not to like you.  It is precisely because of only the things you've said that we would feel such a way, and feeling sure that it isn't is a fantasy.  You illustrated our core reason for our distaste of your views.  Many of your views are delusional and full of fantasy, by stating "I am sure it is not for anything I said" you have shown quite clearly that our opinion has more validity than we initially thought.

When it is less than 3.5 years. The starting date is of interest in that it is conincident with the start of the communist propaganda campaign against Germany.

So here we are with my responses to all the issues you raised and we are down to exactly this one where there is a disagreement. And I concede the error. However we do not disagree on 100% extermination vice a 6/13ths at most. Religions undergo extinction events. It is the way the world is. One observes them. One does not mourn them. Who mourns Adonis?

You express no disgreement regarding the actions of Jews in Palestine, Gaza and Syria with which I assume you have no disagreement. If you do disagree please let me know. It was over a decade ago I learned the best source of information about Israel was Israel itself. It is not my fault that it is also damning.

Notice I did not get around to going into their actions in Israel proper which is inside the 1948 Green Line only and no more. There is where full fledged citizens of Israel cannot regain their private property solely because they are not Jews. They cannot bring their spouses to live in Israel with them. They cannot move to any of the West Bank squatter towns as they are for Jews only. So are the "new" towns built in Israel. No non-Jew was in danger in Sderot. None live there. It is the law.

They can't marry Jews in Israel. They have to get the approval of a community board made up of Jews to move into a Jewish neighborhood -- needless to say they are always found unsuitable. In fact every Israeli housing law and custom I have come across would be in violation of the law in the US and be condemned as vulgar prejudice.

The non-Jews in Israel have their own "separate but equal" schools which are just as good as they were in the US. They have their own segregated cities where they are permitted to live. They have neither air raid sirens nor bomb shelters which are in all the "jewish" neighborhoods and cities. Of course they have next to no public services or infrastructure upkeep. Hospital beds? They don't get as sick as Jews. Despite their Supreme Court ordering equal treatment every few years it never changes.

What facts have you recited?

You seem to be ignorant of the definition of propaganda because propaganda is an opinion.

It is in fact open not because you say so but because we say so.

What "common knowledge" are you referring to? Have you posted any facts? Where are your souces?

Our age is irrelevant to knowledge and your so called "elementary material" is merely your opinion.

Without blame here is a perfect example of my being accused of saying something I did not. There is no way anyone with a basic familiarity with English can read what I wrote and accuse me of saying that. This shows a deliberate confusion between a noun and an adjective before even addressing the style of aphorism.

It takes a paranoid delusional personality to even see such a thing. The only possible disease is rabies but it is only used in its adjectival form as rabid.

I have no interest in catering to delusional paranoids. I do not intend to ever cater to the delusional of any kind even paranoid. I know how to deal with paranoids. I agree with them. It drives them even further into their delusion. I have not done that as yet.

Nor do I consider it rational that the Mod Gods to respond to me based upon the ravings of delusional paranoids.

Yet misrepresentations like this are the only thing I have read about what i have said.

My challenge is still open. Quote what I have said and include a refutation.