What else is there to it? Jews stole the land. Jews drove out most of the native population of land owners. They even stole land from those they could not drive out. That is the root cause of all the problems. What is complex about that? And the victims of the Jews want their land back. Is that hard to understand?

Show me the complexity. Using the color of law to steal and murder and expel is not complexity. It is another easy to understand crime.

The world we live in says the use of deadly force to resist occupation is lawful in accordance with the Geneva conventions. Morally it is also lawful to use deadly force against those who have stolen your property if there is no legal mechanism available. You can find more details here http://www.giwersworld.org/israel/bombings.phtml

What is unlawful about bombing those who have done both. I am certain if they were given tanks and F-16s they would chose to use them instead.

By their own records as presented by their own historians they massacred thousands and used the threat of and at times the fact of additional massacres to drive out 3/4 of the population. Any who tried to return were murdered often being forced to dig their own graves. The property was then declared "abandoned" by color of law. Even those who did not leave were forced off their property, murdered if they attempted to return and their property was declared abandoned. Even these citizens of Israel cannot regain their property because they are not Jewish.

What is there about this which does no satisfy the meaning of the word theft?

I do not expect them to do anything else but they are the guilty party in this matter. If a thief can he will fight to keep what he has stolen. But I can find no justification in law or morality to support the thieves instead of supporting the victims of the thieves.

But even if that were conceivable a lawful and moral thing on the planet on which you live the Jews are constantly stealing land in Jerusalem, the West Bank and the Syrian Heights and building segregated "Jews only" squattertowns. People were hanged at Nuremberg for doing that sort of thing. And in this case their own records show 1/3 of them are built on land owned by Palestinians. On top of that land is confiscated from Palestinians for "Jews only" roads. Even Apartheid South Africa did not have Whites only roads.

And then the ghetto wall just happens to cut off villages from their best lands and water resources. Towards the bottom of http://www.giwersworld.org/artv/ there are several conceptual views of their wall.

Even if your morality is such that it excuses past thefts and murders how do you excuse what is going on today? And it continues despite the solemn (and worthless) word of so many Jews saying it would stop. Is that also approved in your planet's moral and legal system?

The Zionists are very well organized murderers and thieves. That the Zionists are also Jews is not my problem. That the necessary actions of a national government which declares itself Jewish is not my fault. And it is not up to me to make a distinction between Israel and Jews when Israel declares its actions are taken in the name of the Jewish people. And when I look at surveys I find roughly 80% of Jews support the actions of Israel.

When I refer to the actions of Israel as the actions of the Jews I am AGREEING with what Israel says and what opinion polls say. It is Israel which smears the Jews and an overwhelming majority are proud of it.

It does appear you have been lead down a path which holds Israel can do no wrong because saying so would be antisemitic. If http://www.giwersworld.org/antisem/ this is done in the name of the Jewish people, why is not the entire world antisemitic?

More paranoid delusion,

Doesn't matter much to me if people want to kill each other off. Not my business unless my country is involved. And it is. Without US money it would have collapsed long ago. Without US diplomatic cover it would have gone the way of apartheid South Africa long ago.

But it is israeli pretensions which are of value to attacking theism. Israel declares it is a JEWISH nation. Israel's claim to the land is that it is JEWISH. What does Jewish mean? http://www.giwersworld.org/antisem/ is what being Jewish and what the god of the bible means.

Israel is doing its best to show exactly the consequences of theism. You can see hundreds of pictures on my website and I have but a fraction of them. I have not bothered to collect the written material as google is much easier.

Israel is theism in action. Tell it to the world. Make the redneck fundie Christian get naseous over it. Shove it in their face until they vomit.

don't try to explain the conflict. the point of this post is that religion is the reason they can not and will never coexist. do you really think that they care about the shitty land. its all shitty desert anyways.

All of human history is replete with examples of humans fighting and killing to maintain the right of ownership. The concept is inseparable from human nature.

I can agree it has no meaning for a single person living alone on the proverbial desert island. It gains meaning when there is more than one person involved.

Which is why I note the human tradition of killing those whom they perceive as thieves and murderers. This is particularly true as the Zionists styled themselves as murderers and thieves in their enterprise in Palestine.

Now say they redeemed it instead of stole it and you are invoking a religious concept. Which is why the Zionists are a horrible example of the consequences of religion. I pointed out Gaza was an immediate example with plenty of examples such as these http://www.giwersworld.org/antisem/GAZA-pics/

Dragging the holy holocaust into the discussion to justify the mass murders and thefts by the Jews is destined to failure.

And I have observed it is absurd to listen to the whining Jews when the Palestinians (not Arabs, dummy) kill those whom they perceive as thieves. It is their right. Jews killed them, they kill Jews. As I say, I don't kill if they want to kill each other off. No interest to me. My only interest is my country's involvement on the side of those who started the entire problem. Besides we still own Israel some serious payback over the USS Liberty.

As the Dodo and the Jews are no different to you why do you take an interest?

But they do. Back when they were slaughtering Lebanese again a couple years ago Israeli papers published some very cute pictures of little jewish girls writing love notes on artillery shells. The military indoctrination starts in early gradeschool in Israel. And that is on top of the Ziojugend indoctrination and their national anthem and their religion praising the murder and theft.

You seem to think there is a difference. I suggest you start reading the online israeli news sources and learn the Jewish indoctrination is more elaborate and of greater depth. You will quickly learn the Jews are way ahead in instilling hatred of non-Jews in general and "arabs" in particular. Occupied Jerusalem is a particularly virulent locus of the expression of the jewish hatred of others according to Haaretz and Jerusalem Post articles.

Perhaps the way the Palestinians welcoming the first Zionists to Palestine in the 1890s.

On one hand you try to pretend the mass murder and thefts by the Jews is no big thing. On the other you express the virulent prejudice that once existed in the US towards Blacks and in Germany against the Jews -- even Karl Marx recited the same complaints.

Yet between those two you hold doing the same things you agree Jews did as justification for your frankly bigoted opinion of non-Jews. If you don't like suicide bombings I am certain they will switch to tanks and F-16s if available. But Jews used suicide bombings in the Warsaw Ghetto uprisings and in their terrorism against the British and Palestinians. In fact the Palestinians have yet to do everything to the Israelis that the Jews did to the British. They have have hanged a couple of Jew spies but they were not in uniform and their bodies were not boobytrapped as the Jews did. This is but one example.

So if your issue is their methods, they have not as yet sunk to the level of the Jews against the British. They have mimic the Jews indiscriminate shelling of Palestinians prior to independence.

What you have to ask yourself is why you pay attention when Jews whine about getting as good as they gave. You are certainly not dumb enough to fall for it are you?

The earliest resistance against the Zionists was organized by Christian Palestinians. It was only in the late 60s that Muslims took leadership roles. And in both cases these Christians and Muslims were simply people whose ancestors had converted from Judaism to more civilized religions. Even Manachem Begin recognized this. It is unclear when the Jews became ignorant enough to start calling them Arabs when they have been Palestinians for at least 2500 years. It is also unclear when jewish scholarship failed and ceased to remember that Herodotus mentioned them 2500 years ago.

And you see all of this is religion. Others steal land. Jews redeem land. The difference? Religion only. The idea of "the land of Israel" Ha Aretz Yisrael is in all the jewish political speeches in Israel. It is what they claim. It is also solely based upon religion. That the entire OT is a later fabrication on the order of The Book of Mormon and no more connection to fact than it does not matter. It is religion. All of this slaughter on both sides is because of religion.

As an ATHEIST you should appreciate this as an example of the EVIL of religion.

I don't care if religion has anything to do with it neither side has any simpathy from me. They are both Idiots. If rational people were in charge a compramise would of been reached long ago. what is wrong with just living together? Can anyone really think one side is right here?

Agreed.

Redeemed?  Did I use that word?  Uhm.  No.  I didn't.  They are just banding together somewhere to protect themselves for once.  Seems like a lot of people get pissed at the Jews for not staying in other countries where they can be slaughtered piecemeal.

Why?  Please elaborate.  I think it was more than enough justification for the Jews to finally say, "Fuck this." and finally start defending themselves.  If you want to somehow invalidate the holocaust then we can start with why it should not be a factor.

"Palestinian people or Palestinians also commonly rendered as Palestinian Arabs are terms commonly used to refer to the indigenous Arab population whose origins are in Palestine."

So "dummy", lets now define what an arab is.  Great way to ignore the discussion and fall off on a tangent.  I guess you don't call Iranians arabs either do you?  No...they are "persians".  Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

I'm not an American, I'm a Texan.  Whatever.

What?  Try to keep up.  Humans, dodos, both animals.  Saying that one people have a right to a specific tract of land over another makes sense only within human institutions, which means not at all except within a society.  The jews and palestinians do not exist in the same society.  Therefore, fuck "rights".  The jews are just trying to find somewhere to be the majority for once for protection of their own lives.  When a person's people is fighting for survival you can take your lawyers and shove them right up your ass.

Cool.  Shoot me a link to one of the children TV shows shown to the Jewish children about killing the palestinian arabs.

haha.  I'm the bigot now?  Repeatedly using the word "Zionist" is only used by people bigoted against the jews and filled with dimentia about conspiracies of them.  I suppose you think the jews own all of the world banks too?  Cut loose.  Tell us all the crazy ideas circulating in your head.

Looks to me like the Jews are finally kicking ass and taking names for once.  If they are whining its because they are loosing one soldier for every 200 palestinians arabs they kill.  Go Israel.

As an ATHEIST I will make up my own mind with whom to side with or not.  The people that would cheer and laugh as America and my family burn or those that would fight by my side.

I'll stick with the Jews.

Oh wait.  You like to call them Zionists.

It is not a democratic state when equal rights for all citizens is a political position forbidden by law. That said, so what if it exists? Palestine existed for at least 2500 years until the Jews wiped it off the map. No one misses Palestine. Why would anyone miss Israel? The bible one is a myth. It never existed.

The very fact that there is an Israel today is a based solely upon religion.

As for getting rid of Israel that is not a problem. However ending its discriminatory policies and nuclear blackmail are clearly in the interests of the world. A simple oil and gas embargo will put out the lights in one week and bring them to heel in two. It does not require a fight. The same thing forced South Africa to see the light although it took longer.

And Jews hate Arabs. But we are talking about Palestinians not Arabs. The Palestinians are people whose ancestors converted from Judaism to Christianity and Islam. The Palestinians appear in history before the Jews.

One has to ask where you are getting your history. Islam has always given refuge to Jewish Europeans seeking refuge from persecution. The Jews of Spain came with the Moors and were expelled with them. The Jewish, Christian and Muslim Palestinians lived in peace for over a thousand years before the Ashkenazi Jews started arriving to steal the land and expel them.

In your claims about Islam you fail to note the most obvious fact. ALL Zionists are murderers and thieves and murder and theft are the foundation of Zionism. Whatever you choose to call the others the Jews that started emigrating to Palestine from Europe were the selection of Jews who were murderers and thieves. The Zionist movement separated the murderers from the non-murderers and sent the former to Palestine. That is a fact of history regardless of your ignorant bigotry in other matters.

More that that of course.

Or they can work for justice and the end to official discrimination in Israel and for equal rights for all Israelis and for justice for all the dispossessed.

Those methods are the same as the Jews used against both the Palestinians and the British so they do work. You should not discount them so quickly.

And announced a policy of deliberately starving the Gazan population.

To this day the Brits are still asking themselves why they were so stupid as to let the Jews into Palestine. But it appears you are referring to the criminal blockade on Gaza. That means according to Israel Gaza is still occupied. The Geneva Conventions heartilly approve of killing off the occupying forces by any means available.

The money thing is hardly a joke. The details of the blockade all revolved around money for jewish merchants and the collection of Israeli taxes. You should read up on the details some day. You might learn what you are talking about. As for the Israeli military it is kept as Israel has always looked for ways to expand its territory. It has coveted southern Lebanon to the Litani river from the beginning. Its entire political system is based upon the Ha Aretz Yisrael, the land of Israel as described in the bible. It really does intend to ultimately take all the land from the Nile to the Euphrates and the east bank of the Jordan as that is what it says in the bible. It has no chance of doing that without a strong military.

Yet when Hamas was not shooting Israel was randomly attacking. It appears you are taking sides by putting the onus of behavior upon the occupied party. That is like saying the Polish resistance should not have attacked their Communist occupiers. Why not? Occupation is a crime in itself.

Tell me, if the occupied cease resisting do you believe the occupation will cease? The purpose of the resistance is to end the occupation. So if the Jews simply end the occupation one would expect the resistance to end. OTOH back in 1948 inside what is now Israel they simply granted citizenship to non-Jews and there has not been an internal revolt or a civil war. And that even though they are an oppressed people. their lands and property were stolen and to this day the only reason they cannot get their property back is because they are not Jews.

But it is not true as they do attack. They have been murdering people in the West bank since 1967. During the years when those rockets killed eight people of the occupying country, over 1700 Palestinians were murdered by the occupiers. Do you not read the news? I suggest jpost.com and haaretz.com.

They want an end to the occupation. No foreigners on their land. No foreigners blockading their ports and ocean access. No foreigners, period.

And the Allies dropped weapons into France in support of the resistance during WWII. What is your point? The fight against occupation never ends.

BTW, no suicide bombers from Gaza so far. But I am certain if we give them some serious weapons they won't imitate the jewish Poles and use suicide bombers. You appear to object to their using a jewish tactic. Why?

Israel has never stopped murdering Palestians regardless of how peaceful it is. In fact as the Israeli newspapers have noted, Israel used periods of peace to expand its murder campaigns against the Palestinians. You obviously know nothing about the subject.

At even the slightest opportunity Israel destroys infrastructure. Were it not for its deliberate destruction by Israel Gaza would be much better off. But again you are ignorant of the subject. For example, for more than a year Israel refused to let in equipment to do ordinary maintenance on the water purification plants. During this most recent massacre it destroyed major parts of it. France tried to get part to repair it into Gaza. Israel refused to let it in.

You are very ignorant of the subject.

I did not realize anyone still believed that desert myth or that anyone thinks Israel is a 1st world country. You are very naive about Israel.

Anyone with the slightest knowledge of population growth has learned population increases faster in times of starvation. And in fact Israel's own released figures, which are likely inflated, say it is letting in only half the needed food. And on top of that it destroyed 80% of the crop just in case they might feed themselves.

As for sick, it is Judaism that keeps them prisoner in Gaza and the West Bank and occupied Jerusalem. That is one sick religion. It is a religion of hatred of all other peoples. During the massacre the chief rabbi of the IDF was urging no quarter, no mercy on the troops. You would know about it if you read Israeli news sources as I do.

And the victims of the Jews are supposed to just give up? Why should they continue to live as victims? Jews will not stop stealing. Just last week they announced another land theft in occupied Jerusalem. By Israel's own records one third of their criminal squatter towns are built on land owned by Palestinians. People were hanged at Nuremberg for doing that. Poles were given justice. Why not Palestinians? A bunch of jewish criminals doing an air dance would go a long way to sending a message of justice to the world.

But you are ignorant of Israel. Perhaps deliberately so. Frankly you come across as simply naive at the teenage level. You certianly have no idea of human nature.

Given your ignorance I should not be surprised at that statement. Hamas won the last election in Palestine. The election was declared fair by Jimmy Carter. So why did the US support a coup against Hamas? What is the point of democracy when the winner is ejected and its leaders arrested by foreigners?

Consider the fact that when the war began Israel announced its objective for the war, the overthrow Hamas. It watered down that objective to ending the rocket fire. Now that the war is paused, Hamas is still in power and the rockets are still firing. As Israel accomplished none of its stated objectives we can only conclude the destruction was the sole purpose of the war.

Yes, Israel lost another one. The sole purpose was destruction. Very biblical.

Again, the evil of religion.

It all goes back to the myth of biblical Israel which never existed.

The land was stolen using deadly force and ethnic cleansing. There is no other word used but "redeemed" to avoid the correct description as theft.

The founding principle of Zionism is that Jews could never assimilate into Christian Europe. There is nothing in it about banding together for protection. The founding principle of Zionism was adopted by the NSDAP a few decades later.

The idea of "slaughter" was NOT raised by the Zionists. It arose as a result of the Dreyfus Affair. It was taken as an example of what would happen after leaving the ghetto and trying to join civil life. That it was but one example is largely forgotten. The only clear way to assimilation was religious conversion. Every PM of Israel who visits the US gives some speech warning of the dangers of intermarriage with Christians which is an obvious example of religious bigotry.

Self defense was not raised either.

What was raised was, pardon my memory and grammar, Die Entlossung der Judentenfrage ist Territorialismus. That Zionist book was published in Berlin in 1917, The Final Solution of the Jewish Question is Territorialism, having a political entity. (It is also interesting to see the "nazi" terms were originally Zionist terms. Of course it might have meant the Zionists were advocating mass suicide.)

This was part of the invention of a jewish "people" by the Zionists. Before this there was only a jewish religion, the Mosaic Confession. No one had heard of a Jews outside of the religion.

It is not acceptable to invent ex post facto reasons which were not the ones which motivated the Zionists. As a matter of record the "survivors" of WWII were despised when they arrived in Israel for not having fought back. Israel essentially banned the use of Yiddish in particular while merely encouraging the use of the invented "Hebrew" in public venues.

The holy holocaust could be used to justify their being given Bavaria or any other part of Germany. It does not justify making the Palestinians suffer. They had nothing to do with it. By the way international law worked at the time the Palestinians were on the side of the Allies, like it or not.

But for the mythology of Judaism they insisted upon Palestine though the Palestinians had been there centuries before the predecessor of modern Jews appeared in history.

I am refering to what they are not what the Jews commonly call them. I can talk about Arab leaders and Jew leaders but the choice of terms is also from the NYT style manual. Arabs are clearly from Arabia. Palestinians appear in history before the predecessors of modern Jews appear in history. You should know that. Perhaps as a Texan you do not.

Nor are the Moroccans or Egyptians Arabs yet their only connection is speaking a version of Arabic and long ago adopting Arabic culture when it was the most advanced in the west. It is the same with the Palestinians who we know were there at least 2500 years ago.

The issue is the use of "arabs" as a pejorative. An Arab is simply a person from the Arabian peninsula. One could stretch that to having strong historical ties to the Peninsula. Palestine and Syria have had Mediterranean connections as far back as the Phoenicians. Their other ties have been with Egypt and Mesoptamia going back some six thousand years. Any connection with Arabia began only 1400 years ago in the aftermath of a devastating war between Persia and Byzantium. There was never a physical replacement of the populations of those countries with Arabians.

No one's perfect.

Not only do they exist in the same society but in the same political entity. It is currently called Israel. They also exist in the same society in the occupied territories. Agree they are third or fourth class even where they are citizens but they do exist in the same society.

While you make an anthropomorphic point with what exists only in a human context, this discussion occurs within a human context. The right of ownership and the right to kill to regain ownership do have meaning in this context.

Of course I reject the anachronism of "protect their own lives" as that was not the foundation of Zionism. As for lawyers, I can think of no better place to put them. As for "just trying to find ..." that also only exists only in a human context and therefore has no special standing either. It doesn't rise above looking for better grazing land.

However the issue here, last time I looked, was the right in this human context to kill the thieves and the occupation forces. And of course they have a right to be killed for doing it.

But that gives no special pleading for any superior "right" to the foreign invaders.

I did not get any link from you. Why should I do more? I can probably find those cute little Jewish girls writing love note to the Lebanese on artillery shells if you like. You find your link and I will find mine. I thought it was so cute and so Jewish that children were engaged in taunted those they would murder. Lets at least try to play fair. On one hand we have a TV show with an unknown audience share. On the other hand we have the bloodthirsty jewish girls in the act. Do you really want to run with this?

The foundation of Zionism is murder and theft. If you disagree show me how its objectives could be achieved without murder and theft. As for conspiracies, the conspiracy to take over Palestine is very well documented and not hidden at all. The fact that we can talk about the plan and its execution to take over Palestine means we are both fully aware of that conspiracy. There is nothing in law which requires a conspiracy to be secret.

Mass murderers always have their groupies. The groupies of the Jews are usually rednecks and being from Texas would explain your support. Probably an Aggie too.

Israel sells out to the highest bidder. They originally sided with Stalin. And then there is www.ussliberty.org Tel Aviv still deserves a good nuking over that. And I don't want to hear any whining over 20,000 to 1 or the fallout. It is just acting jewish.

By survey 80% of Jew support Israel. What is the difference? Be a Nazi or support Nazis, I see no difference in practice. Aiding and abetting a crime is a crime in itself.

Let me try to explain this to you. The Geneva Conventions grant the inalienable right of occupied people to attack the occupying forces. They make no distinction between on or off duty, active or reserve military. Israel has universal military service and reserve duty following it until age 50 or some such. Any missile fired at any population center has about a 1 in 4 chance of hitting a member of the occupying military. Israel has justified attacks with a 1 in 17 chance as justified and the rest as collateral damage.

By Israel's own measure Hamas is more justified.

Do you understand that?

If you do not like it you can certainly petition the Geneva Conventions committee to organize and effort to modify the conventions. Rotsa Ruck.

This right also extends to any nightspot where young men congregate as they are all on or off duty, active or reserve military. A few years ago a bombing of the Dolphinarium was in the news. It took a week to come out that a squad on leave from the West Bank was the target. There are no "time outs" for occupation targets. They are all lawful targets any time and any place.

This is what happens when Israel hides its military among its civilian population.

Further all military assets are open to attack at any time regardless of any civilian casualties. Israel uses the civilian bus system to move troops to and from the West Bank. Civilian buses are a lawful target at all times. If civilians are stupid enough to use them they are putting their lives at risk by their own choice.

And if you missed it, all parties are bound to treat Gaza and the West Bank as a single entity.

I do not see your problem. Reserve military live among civilians. According to the Geneva Conventions they are lawful targets at any time without exception. When an occupying power allows its military into civilian areas the civilian area becomes a lawful target. The segregated town of Sderot was the excuse for the recent massacre. Are you going to tell me there were no reserve IDF people living there? Reasonably we expect 25% of the population was reserve military. But even if only one in seventeen were reserve military it is a lawful target as defined by Israel.

Please explain your problem.

You really see no problem in uprooting an entire nation? It was formed what 60 years ago? So anyone born in there in the past 60 years really has no guilt in what you are saying. They diddn't steal any land They were born there. Incase you didn't notice you can't help where you were born. 

About that attacking civilians thing. Just because some treaty says it's ok doesn't mean it's ok. If you really belive that shooting at civilan targets is ok I really don't know what to call you, a collosal asshat comes to mind but I don't think that goes far enough. The thing is its not only that they are shooting civilian targets it's also where they are shooting from, endangering thier own people. Discusting. 

After all this NOTHING has been gained only a lot of lives lost, that in it's self is reason to stop and move on and realise nothing you can do to change the past the only thing you can do is move on live together in peace and prosparity as one nation. If they had limited the attacks to the millatary or goverment I would be more sympathetic to them but they were asshats and diddn't. Btw America may of chosen a side but I'm not American, Im South African

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY0zE64thJ4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egg83STz22E

I'm a redneck because I'm from Texas, eh?  I can see how you simplify people into little boxes.  Must be easier for your little brain to try and make sense of the world.  Redneck is a term I throw around as an insult as well.  So I find this amusing.

And no, I'm not a former or current or future student of Texas A&M University.  Frankly I find their intense group mentality toward the University very unsettling and similar to the slavish devotion of a cult. 

I bet you have a picture of people with names like urhm...Hitler or Himmler on your wall.  amiright?

America originally sided with Stalin as well.

Yeah.  I bet you would like us to join your little Nazi fan club.

Rational people are certainly in charge. The compromise has been reached - Israeli government will destabilise the area and act a military arm of western interest, while west will guarantee aid and support expansion. Palestinians in the area are not considered a party in negotiations, they hold no power over anything. The average age of a Palestinian in Gaza is 15. We are talking life expectancy of a concentration camp prisoner. A compromise with them is meaningless for any rational person, why would a guard negotiate with a hungry prisoner?

This thing about which side is "right" really does nothing for me. I like to identify victims and stop the aggressors.

Israel is the belligerant occupying power of Jerusalem, the West Bank, Gaza and the Syrian/Golan Heights within the meaning of the Hague Treaty on land warfare. According to the Geneva Conventions annexing conquered territory consitutes a war crime with the precedent of Nuremberg and the Nazi annexation of Poland. In the same manner as Nazi Germany Israel has committed war crimes by annexing Jerusalem, the Syrian/Golan Heights and a part of the West Bank it declared to be East Jerusalem. Israel is a signatory to the Hague treaties and the Geneva conventions.

In maintaining control over Gaza it remains under belligerant occupation by Israel. I have collected two Israeli newspaper reports which show both its supreme court and its attorney general consider Gaza to be under belligerant occupation within the meaning of the Hague V, the treaty on land warfare. So there is no point in disagreeing with me on this subject as it is the unanimous legal opinion of the government of Israel.