A test on perception
Offline I will ask a series of simple true or false questions.
Answer either "true" or "false" or "I'm not sure"
1] Italy consumes more pasta per capita than any other nation
2] The least religious country in the world has one of the lowest murder rates.
3] Catholic priests have a higher rate of pedophilia than other professions that work with children [teachers for example]
4] Sweden has higher percentage of blondes than any other nation
5] Most male hairdressers are homosexual
6] Norway produces the highest percentage of Nobel Prize winners in science. [That is the person is either from, or immigrated to Norway]
7] French is a common language spoken in Lebanon
8] Iraq had many nightclubs/bars during Hussien's rule.
9] Over 80% of Israelis rank religion as important in their lives.
10] Germans consume more beer than the Irish
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Offline 1] Italy consumes more pasta per capita than any other nation False 2] The least religious country in the world has one of the lowest murder rates. True 3] Catholic priests have a higher rate of pedophilia than other professions that work with children [teachers for example] False 4] Sweden has higher percentage of blondes than any other nation False 5] Most male hairdressers are homosexual False 6] Norway produces the highest percentage of Nobel Prize winners in science. [That is the person is either from, or immigrated to Norway] False 7] French is a common language spoken in Lebanon True 8] Iraq had many nightclubs/bars during Hussien's rule. True 9] Over 80% of Israelis rank religion as important in their lives. False 10] Germans consume more beer than the Irish True
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1] Italy consumes more pasta per capita than any other nation
False
2] The least religious country in the world has one of the lowest murder rates.
False
3] Catholic priests have a higher rate of pedophilia than other professions that work with children [teachers for example]
False
4] Sweden has higher percentage of blondes than any other nation
False
5] Most male hairdressers are homosexual
True ~ every single male hairdresser I have met has been homosexual. 
6] Norway produces the highest percentage of Nobel Prize winners in science. [That is the person is either from, or immigrated to Norway]
True
7] French is a common language spoken in Lebanon
I don't know
8] Iraq had many nightclubs/bars during Hussien's rule.
True
9] Over 80% of Israelis rank religion as important in their lives.
False
10] Germans consume more beer than the Irish
I do not know ~ my instinct is to say yes, as it is my understanding, Germans drink beer from like age 12 until death... but those damn alcoholic Irish....
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Offline I will ask a series of simple true or false questions.
Answer either "true" or "false" or "I'm not sure"
Well, I might want to qualify some of my answers or make statements following them, so I will.
1] Italy consumes more pasta per capita than any other nation
2] The least religious country in the world has one of the lowest murder rates.
3] Catholic priests have a higher rate of pedophilia than other professions that work with children [teachers for example]
4] Sweden has higher percentage of blondes than any other nation
5] Most male hairdressers are homosexual
6] Norway produces the highest percentage of Nobel Prize winners in science. [That is the person is either from, or immigrated to Norway]
7] French is a common language spoken in Lebanon
8] Iraq had many nightclubs/bars during Hussien's rule.
9] Over 80% of Israelis rank religion as important in their lives.
10] Germans consume more beer than the Irish
When will you tell us the point of this, Captain?
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When will you tell us the point of this, Captain?
The point is in the title.
You'll notice most are about schemas, such as Italians love pasta, and male hairdressers are gay.
Anyway answers from what I could find
1] True, as Clockcat said, China has 53kg, but that includes noodles.
2] False, According to the gallup poll, Estonia [which I assume is the country Latincanuck refered] to only has 14% view religion as important [Japan is 16%] has a murder rate of 0.107, for comparision that is almost twice the US's.
3] I couldn't find any research on this
4] False, according to this article, it's Finland. [For the record, this was suppose to be true, but I was wrong]
5] I have not seen any data on this.
6] False. It's the US
Nobel laureates by country
Pos Country Total
1 United States 163
2 United Kingdom 112
3 Germany 96
4 France 45
5 Switzerland 25
6 USSR and Russia 21
7 Italy 19
8 Canada 18, Sweden 18, Netherlands 18
11 Hungary 16
12 Denmark 14, Poland 14
7] True. As Clockcat said, the french once owned land over there. Beirut is considered "The Paris of the East"
8] True. I believe his son Uday owned several of them.
9] False. According to gallup about 50% hold religion to be important
10] False, though Germans are close. Irish consume 131.1/capita, Germans 115.8/capita [For the record, the Czech Repuplic was the highest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_beer_consumption_per_capita
I saved this one for last, because it pit two schemas together. Both countries are famous for their beer.
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Offline I'll only post responses where I see conflict.
1] True, as Clockcat said, China has 53kg, but that includes noodles.
2] False, According to the gallup poll, Estonia [which I assume is the country Latincanuck refered] to only has 14% view religion as important [Japan is 16%] has a murder rate of 0.107, for comparision that is almost twice the US's.
4] False, according to this article, it's Finland. [For the record, this was suppose to be true, but I was wrong]
So you asked questions to see whether people would research or would answer based on preconceptions and bias and you only wanted them to answer 'yes', 'no' or 'not sure'? I'm glad I expanded upon my answers and I hope you know why. Anyhow, what does this tell you?
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Offline Quote:Can you show me the link to the numbers? From the Wikipedia article (hardly the best resource) Japan had the highest rate of reported non-religious people. It hardly makes sense if non-religious people view religion as important, though I guess that depends in the way that the question was asked. I view religion as important, but it is in the way I view it as important that is, well, important.2] False, According to the gallup poll, Estonia [which I assume is the country Latincanuck refered] to only has 14% view religion as important [Japan is 16%] has a murder rate of 0.107, for comparision that is almost twice the US's.
I was wrong on the numbers for Japan, but I have the memory of a goldfish. [Though I did remember that Estonia, was the least religious].
The survey was asking how religious they are.
I'm going to hunt down the pasta/blondes thing.
Speaking of the blondes, I found this: http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/blondes.asp
And I meant percentage within the country.
So you asked questions to see whether people would research or would answer based on preconceptions and bias and you only wanted them to answer 'yes', 'no' or 'not sure'? I'm glad I expanded upon my answers and I hope you know why. Anyhow, what does this tell you?
The point was that they weren't suppose to research. It was a test on how they percieve other people [such as male hairdresser as gay, or Israelis as religious, or Germans as beer lovers ], and how sure they were of those perceptions.
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Offline Interesting. Probably not the ideal place to conduct that test, though.
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I was wrong on the numbers for Japan, but I have the memory of a goldfish. [Though I did remember that Estonia, was the least religious].
Speaking of schemas...
Goldfish have quite good memories. Don't you watch Mythbusters?
Atheism isn't a lot like religion at all. Unless by "religion" you mean "not religion". --Ciarin
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Offline 2] False, According to the gallup poll, Estonia [which I assume is the country Latincanuck refered] to only has 14% view religion as important [Japan is 16%] has a murder rate of 0.107, for comparision that is almost twice the US's.
I think you have that wrong Cap, it should be the other way round, the US homicide rate is at least twice that of Japan.
Here is a well researched article on the question (it includes a link to full spreadsheets if you want to do your own analysis):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2009/oct/13/homicide-rates-country-murder-data
For the record I found texts citing the least religious countries of the world as Japan and Sweden, so my answer was based on that.
In the above article the murder rates for Japan and Sweden are repsectively 0.5:100000 and 1.2:100000 both quite low.
Edit:
Because Estonia didn't even come up as significant in my search for the least religious country I went to the Association of Religion Data Archives and just ran a search on Japan, Estonia and Sweden. We at least seem to agree that the least religious is probably one of them. This is what I got back:
Religious Adherents1 | Estonia | Japan | Sweden |
| Baha'i | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.1% |
| Buddhist | 0.1% | 56.1% | 0.4% |
| Chinese Universalist | 0.0% | 0.2% | 0.0% |
| Christian | 69.3% | 2.3% | 66.4% |
| Confucianist | 0.0% | 0.1% | 0.1% |
| Ethnoreligionist | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.1% |
| Hindu | 0.1% | 0.0% | 0.1% |
| Jain | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% |
| Jewish | 0.1% | 0.0% | 0.2% |
| Muslim | 0.3% | 0.1% | 2.6% |
| Shintoist | 0.0% | 2.1% | 0.0% |
| Sikh | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% |
| Spiritist | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% |
| Taoist | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% |
| Zoroastrian | 0.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% |
| Neo-Religions | 0.0% | 25.9% | 0.2% |
| Agnostics | 25.6% | 10.2% | 18.1% |
| Atheist | 4.7% | 2.9% | 11.6% |
Sweden has the highest total of professing Atheists but Estonia is just ahead (0.4%) of Sweden if we total the Atheists with the Agnostics.
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Offline As a side note, Estonia has been an independent country since the early 90s, if memory serves. I think 1991, but I'm too lazy to look it up.
Before then, it has been essentially occupied or conquered or subjugated by either the Russians or the Germans. Considering that for most of its recent history, it's been a communist country, I think most people wouldn't really consider the population's responses on religion to be representative of a society used to free choice. For at least my part, I consider either enforced atheism or enforced theism to pretty much render meaningful analysis impossible. Also, considering that my primary claim is that freely and intelligently chosen non-theism is either beneficial or not detrimental to a country, I wouldn't worry too much about Estonia when doing my surveys.
Atheism isn't a lot like religion at all. Unless by "religion" you mean "not religion". --Ciarin
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Offline http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita Qatar has the least murders but it is an islamic country, that has a horrendous record when it come to enforcing laws against human trafficking.
Italy does consume more pasta (not noodles) that other nations per capita.
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Quote:I was wrong on the numbers for Japan, but I have the memory of a goldfish. [Though I did remember that Estonia, was the least religious].Speaking of schemas...
Goldfish have quite good memories. Don't you watch Mythbusters?
Yes, but I forgot
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Offline For fuck's sake, I said least religious, not "least religious that was also not a former communist state where people were oppressed"
And I don't buy that excuse, considering the Romania has had trouble with the Soviets, and they have a murder rate compariable to Denmark's. I'm not saying it's atheism either. I don't know what it is!
That's the entire fucking point of this thread!
We don't know what factors are causing the high murder rate in Estonia. Or in the US. Is it the poverty in Estonia? Isn't their poverty in the US? Or why the murder rate in Romania, Sweden or Greece or Qatar is so low.
I mean honestly, people immediatly stated the external factors affecting the murder rate in Estonia, if I gave a country with high religiousity and low murder rate, once again the other factors will be flooding in, but I highly doubt other factors would be flooding in if I were to bring up a high religiousity, high murder rate country.
The point of this thread is data. Some schemas, match reality, some don't. I just though of some schemas and decided to test them.
and BTW, Eloise, that site would class Japan as one of the MOST Religious nations, not least, I mean 12.1% atheist or agnostic, according to the same site, the US has about 11% agnostic.
Anyway, this was suppose to be a simple activity as to how perception fit into our views of society and guess what it's turned into!!
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Offline and BTW, Eloise, that site would class Japan as one of the MOST Religious nations, not least, I mean 12.1% atheist or agnostic, according to the same site, the US has about 11% agnostic.
Yeah good point and also, on further inspection, ARDA's non-religious figures are of an entirely different order to the stuff we've all been looking at. They're probably not based on professed atheism or agnosticism at all.
http://www.thearda.com/QuickLists/QuickList_54.asp
The US has only 0.4% professed atheism according to ARDA and 82% christianity. I think the starkness of the contrast between the US and Japan is that the adherent numbers in Japan are made up by Buddhists at 54% or something like that, Buddhism isn't considered to be a very "religious" faith while christianity is.
All in all the question of the least religious country is a strongly debatable topic, so we'd be forced to look at trends on the spectrum to tell us of any correlation. There are some indications towards less morbid crime in less religious regions, but there is also a number of large deviations from that trend which must surely indicate that religion isn't entirely the deciding factor.
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Offline Well, to be fair, you asked least religious, not most population considering religion unimportant.
A lot of people practice religion without finding it important. The same is true of people that find it important and don't practice it.
I don't think you can correlate your result of Estonia with what the question you posed, asked.
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Yeah good point and also, on further inspection, ARDA's non-religious figures are of an entirely different order to the stuff we've all been looking at. They're probably not based on professed atheism or agnosticism at all.
I call bullshit on that list
Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.
Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
No animal shall wear clothes.
No animal shall sleep in a bed.
No animal shall drink alcohol.
No animal shall kill any other animal.
All animals are equal.
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Offline Eloise wrote:
Yeah good point and also, on further inspection, ARDA's non-religious figures are of an entirely different order to the stuff we've all been looking at. They're probably not based on professed atheism or agnosticism at all.
I call bullshit on that list
Why would you do that? It's "according to the World Christian Database (2005)"
That sounds reputable to me!
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Offline I prefer the gallup, because I feel it's the most accurate measure, considering it outright asks how much they practice their religion. Where as the sites that merely say "X% Christian" in no way measures how they practice.
Even if we use that list, I highly doubt North Korea or China has one of the lowest murder rates.
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Offline Umm... I don't think anyone made the claim that atheism leads directly to less murder. At most, the claim that's been made is that atheist countries tend ("TEND," which allows for exceptions) to experience less societal dysfunction (including but not limited to murder, and not necessarily inclusive of murder).
So, your question was directed at a schema which apparently exists in your head only -- that is, you believe atheists believe something -- so... seems like a rather pointless question.
Atheism isn't a lot like religion at all. Unless by "religion" you mean "not religion". --Ciarin
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Offline Umm... I don't think anyone made the claim that atheism leads directly to less murder. At most, the claim that's been made is that atheist countries tend ("TEND," which allows for exceptions) to experience less societal dysfunction (including but not limited to murder, and not necessarily inclusive of murder).
So, your question was directed at a schema which apparently exists in your head only -- that is, you believe atheists believe something -- so... seems like a rather pointless question.
This wasn't atheist specific. I've never seen anybody claim that Lebanon only speaks Arabic, but I included that too. Never heard Norway, has the most Nobel Prize winners either. Or male hairdressers are gay.
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1] Italy consumes more pasta per capita than any other nation
False
2] The least religious country in the world has one of the lowest murder rates.
I'm not sure
3] Catholic priests have a higher rate of pedophilia than other professions that work with children [teachers for example]
False
4] Sweden has higher percentage of blondes than any other nation
I'm not sure
5] Most male hairdressers are homosexual
False
6] Norway produces the highest percentage of Nobel Prize winners in science. [That is the person is either from, or immigrated to Norway]
I'm not sure
7] French is a common language spoken in Lebanon
True
8] Iraq had many nightclubs/bars during Hussien's rule.
I'm not sure
9] Over 80% of Israelis rank religion as important in their lives.
I'm not sure
10] Germans consume more beer than the Irish
I'm not sure
Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.
Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
No animal shall wear clothes.
No animal shall sleep in a bed.
No animal shall drink alcohol.
No animal shall kill any other animal.
All animals are equal.
Yay!
False.
True.
False.
True.
False.
True.
False.
False.
False.
True.
I don't know any of these. I'm just guessing........
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
My guess is that they're all false and Pineapple is going to use that fact and your reactions to make a point.
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1] Italy consumes more pasta per capita than any other nation
True
2] The least religious country in the world has one of the lowest murder rates.
True (of at least two that fit the criteria)
3] Catholic priests have a higher rate of pedophilia than other professions that work with children [teachers for example]
I'm not sure.
4] Sweden has higher percentage of blondes than any other nation
True. (edit: just rechecked the question... since you're asking "higher than any other nation" precisely, and not "does Sweden have the highest percentage of blondes" I'm going to change this to false, since there is probably at least one other northern area with an equal or near equal percentage of blondes.)
5] Most male hairdressers are homosexual
I'm not sure.
6] Norway produces the highest percentage of Nobel Prize winners in science. [That is the person is either from, or immigrated to Norway]
False.
7] French is a common language spoken in Lebanon
I'm going to say True, on a hunch. But I'm actually not sure.
8] Iraq had many nightclubs/bars during Hussien's rule.
Maybe, I'm not sure.
9] Over 80% of Israelis rank religion as important in their lives.
I'm not sure.
10] Germans consume more beer than the Irish
No one consumes more beer than the Irish, except the Australians. ;D
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Some of them are true
Interesting.
1] Italy consumes more pasta per capita than any other nation
False.
2] The least religious country in the world has one of the lowest murder rates.
I don't know.
3] Catholic priests have a higher rate of pedophilia than other professions that work with children [teachers for example]
Probably not by much. But denying urges does make frustration more likely, which leads to...less than common behaviour.
4] Sweden has higher percentage of blondes than any other nation
As far as I know this could be right.
5] Most male hairdressers are homosexual
If you ignore barbers, then yes.
6] through 10]: No idea.
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1. Italy consumes a lot..I would say they would be. If not, I would put up asian countries with it. China I think consumes around 54 lbs per capita of pasta.
2. True. Isn't it Sweden? I think they have like <100 murders a year.
3. This is something impossible to judge, considering most acts go unreported from religious institutions. Even fewer to actual than schools, because a lot of people feel god is tied into it somehow. I went to a catholic school (with a church of course), and I can say that if something had happened there I probably wouldn't of spoken about it, out of trained guilt.
4. I don't know
5. No? But stylists are.
6. I don't know
7. I'm going to say true, because I'm pretty sure the French controlled that area
8. True
9. False I think? It depends on what you define as an Israeli, since they deny citizenship to a lot of people born within their country depending on who they are related to.
10. False.
Theism is why we can't have nice things.
1] Italy consumes more pasta per capita than any other nation
True
2] The least religious country in the world has one of the lowest murder rates.
False (although that same country happens to have a horrible record on dealing with human traffic laws and forced labor laws, happened to deal with a friend of mine on this topic recently)
3] Catholic priests have a higher rate of pedophilia than other professions that work with children [teachers for example]
False (got to see a report on this regarding child abuse and people in trust with children as well as other religions....them jewish rabbis are up there with the catholics)
4] Sweden has higher percentage of blondes than any other nation
true (well I am almost certain it has higher than norway and finland)
5] Most male hairdressers are homosexual
False (at least the one I know aren't all homosexual....bi maybe but not all homosexual
)
6] Norway produces the highest percentage of Nobel Prize winners in science. [That is the person is either from, or immigrated to Norway]
False
7] French is a common language spoken in Lebanon
True (but arabic is more common than french, however many speak french, this according to Mohammad a lebanese cook friend of mine, makes and awesome french onion soup)
8] Iraq had many nightclubs/bars during Hussien's rule.
False
9] Over 80% of Israelis rank religion as important in their lives.
I don't know
10] Germans consume more beer than the Irish
False