Well, I must say your reply is somewhat unexpected.       Could you define what you mean by 'Bio-Smurf' ?

 I would like to know more about Tranquility in the whole of transformation. I am only trying to get at your  perceptions on /of the others. And what the others have taught. I couldn't tell that what you were taught right or wrong was. No more than Tony's comments indicate. There seems to be some sort of specialization, where one goes to different parties on various subjects.

  An aside,  The word Shambhala  ..  Shamballa (Sanskrit name Shambhala)  meaning was 'the place of peace, of tranquillity."  ..   Tranquility /?

I got the idea.

Bio Smurf is a Biologist. I'm the Bible Smurf. I'm the one that initiated bible questions, but we,re all done with that. Before me the team didn't have a Bible Smurf.

Tranquility. To us that's the same as heaven which is akin or the same as "the 'Tree of Life". But in similar form it's a "troubless state, peace of mind. But, you have to look at "where" you want this tranquility. Would it be a geographic location- I bring up that point because it seems you may be thinking that tranquility is acquired at some geographic location on the planet. Consider that a troubled person is going to have the same troubled circumstance no matter where one is at any geographic location. That won't work because no matter where one goes it won't alleviate the troubled mind as the mind carries the troubles with it. To have tranquility one needs to get rid of what causes the troubling. So tranquility can only be "peace of mind".  The equivalent of tranquility in the book is the 7th day in creation which in essence is The Tree of Life. The entire process of Biblical Creation leads to peace of mind. Religions merely have different words for the same things. Also consider that ancient people weren't as ignorant as we may think today. Today we have the G-Nome, back then they already figured the Me-Nome, (psychology) as in, the mind as, "what Am I". A Greek said-I think therefor I am. In this case the "I AM" is a matter of mind not physical, thinking is the mental. There is no peace/tranquility in an environment of contention and mental warfare. The things of this present world must be removed first, such as what we hold as valued and/or importance. To have tranquility values must change to another concept. Once what is valued to maintain the present idea of life is removed "then" a transition can be made. That's precisely the problem we're having in this group of ours. The world is a constant hinderence.

 There's no right or wrong in our world. There is only good and evil. But that's another intricate explanation. \

The specialization-- Super. You're  encountering exactly what we did. There's something there but what the heck is it. Keep at it. Investigate yourself from a mental aspect rather the a physical. You have a physical but you are the mind itself. Once you realize that, you will begin to understand/discover what mind is. You are a mind, not a body.

The others- They were and still are a group of guys that went on adventures etc. sort of like a sports club but more toward scientific-wise because of their various professions. . I meet one buy chance when he went through town here. I seen him earlier a few times when he would pass through. We got in a conversation at a local eatery. He told me of the club and what they do and what fields of endeavor they were of. I was interested in the physics guy. Being told they investigate and study certain things I gave him my thoughts of biblical creation. Being a physicist myself this was interesting. In physics creation doesn't add up. IE-The sun was made at the wrong time, if there's no evolution why are birds forming out of the water---that sort of thing. My hunch was that it was something spiritual because the book overwhelmingly deals with spirit. On his next trip through town he let off a packet of papers at the eatery. I was informed they were going to get to work on it.  The study ended in a completely different understanding of Christianity. It's not anything as commonly understood.

Old Seer wrote-  " One's religion is what makes one the person that one is. Everyone is a victim of someone else,s imagination. If a leader is an idiot the followers are idiots. Leaders make their followers as they. Civilization is a liars paradise (consider the polititian), a fools parade."

Specializations, divisions of labor,- Bio-Smurf,Psycho Smurf" , hierarchy-"Alpha Smurf" -  These all sound like characteristics of civilization to me.

What makes you so sure you are not a victim of someone else's imagination?

'Miracles' that you believe in but are not quite sure how they work??

It seems to me you have done your best to bring religion down to earth, but in the end -  All you appear to be left with is claiming your own brand of faith and a new spin on "The Man is keeping us down"
I'd rather have you around than The 700 club tho. 

Ah, I would not return to Arizona for the winter or any other time of year if you paid me to go. 

People used to believe that if you just added water, the desert would bloom.  That is true - until the water runs out.  And it looks like that is a real possibility as long as people over load the available resources farming and just living.  Large portions of the desert are permanently (or as near permanent as makes no never mind) destroyed because of too many humans trying to live on too few resources.

But regardless of the ecological damage that is caused by even the presence of just one more human (me), I still wouldn't go to Arizona.  Not even to visit the many relatives that still live there.   Maybe not especially to go visit.

Alpha Smurf is an expression of all combined. There's no hierarchy. The titling is only their professions that they were in. There is no boss, we don't need any. The equating "Smurf" was attached before I meet any of them, the reference remained. One can be a carpenter without there being civilization or being a member of one.

We were a victim of someone else,s imagination, as civilization is the creation of a society from a previous person's imagination. For the line of the Hebrews it was Nimrod. For westerners it would be unknown unless history can be traced back to the institution of Western civilization. That might be possible. we're still stuck with the world as it is and still must deal with it. But mostly now, we would be a victim of nature's imagination---if nature has an imagination, at least not a cognitive imagination.

I don't believe "in" miracles, I understand there may be a process that miracles may be possible. I find it hard to believe in what I don't understand. I have a little faith in the idea but where I myself is concerned---show me. I don't know where any of the others are on the idea as far as faith or belief goes. They're looking into how miracles may happen or be brought to come about. Even Psycho types and medical floks  in the general world are looking into that idea.

Correct- we're claiming our own brand of belief, but it's not only ours,. It's the same as the gospel writers had. That we wish to express is---what has been Christianity in the worlds simply isn't. It's a mistake to blame JC for what Europeans did. Europeans never were Christians. They claimed Christianity but made no changes. They did the same as they would have even if they never heard of Christianity.  Europeans were always killers of those they disagreed with. They were the same before and after they claimed to be Christian.

In the Atheist V Theist form I posted in The Greaterst I Am,s thread, the Schematics. Have a look at them.

The San Hedrin / civil floks are looking at genetics, or physical line. JC is looking at Abraham from a spiritual/mental entity. They're not doing the works of Abraham, which works extend from the person, as the the person is a state of mind. In essence if they were to do the works of Abraham then they would have to "think" like Abraham. In Jc's world it's the mental that counts over the physical. Also notice they don't understand him, and even the Apostles at times thought he was nuts.

Also be understanding that JC is not a Jew he comes from the genetic line but is not a member of the Jewish religion. He is representative if "his"<---(see the beginning) religion or beliefs. What this is -is a conflict of religions.

Ok, now here's something to note about the writings of the letters/epistles. During the study a question arises from a Smurf, saying, I can't figure these letters out, they don't make sense. They don't go anywhere. I didn't know what he meant, so I asked on my sheet, what do you mean. Again it comes around -samo samo. It turns out that the Apostles are refering to something that they were teaching but not "what" they were teaching. such as--they were teaching Christianity but there's no information as to what it is. There's no given formula like the 10 commandments. What the letters are doing is refering to, or re-enforcing something they taught, not the facts of what it is. What religions have been doing is saying ---follow JC---JC is the answer to your problems (well so is a nice fat check in the mail too). But you'll notice they don't say how or what----just do that. How do I follow JC if they can't tell me what or how, just put money in the basket. They have no idea what the confines of the man are about. So, on an overall study of the book we came up with it-----it's Adam.

Thank the Father for this that and the other thing. OK fine---but what's the father???????. OK---The common thinking in todays Christiandumb is that God created the universe. Not so---so how so. It's the other way. The universe creates God. 

First there was the physical and then the spiritual--the Apostle says. Then the material came first. Logically----> from the material the brain formed, within the brain the spiritual forms----you. The father may be the forces that cause you to form, but there's no intelligence needed to form you, not that we can tell anyways. So there you are, that,s God/way-a way of being came into existence. So if there's any thanking to do then when you sit down to dinner thank those who labored to see to it that you have the food. The Hispanic in the hot sun, the guy at the refinery, the guy at auto plant that produced the vehicle so one doesn't have to walk their dogs off to get to the super market, the stock boy at the market, the trucker who got it there. Hell I do. I can spend 5 seconds of my day to give a thought to them. And how about hoping that somebody somewhere is giving thanks for my efforts as well as everyone else,s. It's only a "human" thing to do---right.    

The problem starts in the 1920s.  That is when a survey of the available water in the Colorado River was taken.  Unfortunately, that was also an exceptionally wet year.  With the result that water was allocated on a high level, rather than an average level.  They have been fighting over it for years.  Congress will not take the steps to reevaluate available water since all those agreements would have to be rewritten and no one - absolutely no one - would be happy with the reality.

The Central Arizona Project - CAP - is one completed project building a canal from the Colorado River to Tucson.  And it was a bad idea from the start.  The reality is tragic.

The Pacific Northwest is project to be cooler and wetter than normal for the next few years.  I have no idea why people curse the rain.  It may be tiresome towards early summer, but the alternative is - desert.

1- why here----I received a note from Alpha Smurf asking if I would look over this site  (This site is their finding). If I find it compatible then post our interpretations. They find the conditions on planet warrant something be done with what has become known. It has been 20 years since the completion of the study (1992). It is the opinion of the Psycho Smurfs that if the present mental condition persist we will be entering a new area as proposed by the US Government---endless war. Your economy now requires war as a necessity. I am a US Marine and I can tell you --I smell war. Marines are outstanding in this intuition.

More-over-- the Wall street deal of 2008. Wall Street has now become the US government and has set up a continuous train robbery set up for every 8 to 10 years. Look at the last 40 years---we've been here to see it. The entire operation has become nothing more then insider trading. Dishonesty is the rule of the day. The people no longer own the fruits of their labor. This system cannot be left to continue.

Then there's peak oil, You can figure that one by a Google Search. At this point in time the entire world systems cannot possibly work. The fat cats are not going to pay the price for their behavior---you are. The only thing possible that the world could need saving from are the ones running it. The people aren't at fault for anything and it's they that will pay the price--on the battle fields, in the food markets, paying the roadways that are to extensive to repair. taxes now need to be so high to solve problems that the people are not at fault for etc. Alpha Smurf determines it is time for them to go. All that's needed is the right info in the hands of the ones to suffer the consequences of others mistakes and lies. Alpha Smurf has determined --it is better to have 20% of the people left alive rather then no one.

I've been sent here because I'm the Bible Smurf, and as such it is my job. ( before Alpha Smurf I was a Atheist)They are watching. And according to them there are good thinkers here.

No -Just here--this has to spread slowly, to fast and "we" become liable. It is to spread at the speed of the grapevine, and that is the determination of the masses. It's going to be their show and any thing or way that developes is satisfactory. When it begins to spread our job is basically done. Atheists are the best base to start on. Religious entities and government are not, they are exceptionally blind and experts at lying and deception.

2- That,s why we're here, we know we got the right place to start. From here it goes everywhere.

3- Our full attention- That would be Ok but I don't see how. We're relying on person to person. Maybe the Smurfs will have me stay here. But, after a while it becomes automatic--it adds itself up. AND one need not know every detail for this to work. The basics is all that are necessary. Uncle Sam will be here--- you can count on it--we are. He will get my full attention.

4- Trial run, no. This is the real deal.

5- Floks automatically propagate what they learn or believe--especially if it's new. Even a skeptic will propagate it without intending.

6- If you see the minimal basics you're on your way. One thing after another will begin to add in. If it's false it won't. Only truth adds up. That's why the Euro brand of Christianity doesn't add up--it.s false. You may not be an Atheist by choice, you may be one on accounts of misinformation. I was.

7- Evangelizing , well yes, but with a limit. We're relying on the grapevine. As previous mention- it's going to be the people's show. Vengence is mine says the lord, The final say (God) on planet earth goes to the people--not the elites that run it now.

8- Light bulbs. Psycho Smurfs say lights are going on.

9- It's to long of an explanation to put on one page or a few. More-over, at this time detailed explanations are necessary. Someone has to give answers to questions. At one time we tried to write what we refer to as The Alpha Summery. The sum of the find. We couldn't do it simply. It gets so involved one looses track of where one is at, and it's to much writing. It's like a tree--what branch are we on. And again, we see many possible questions that one can ask, they're seemingly endless. It's better to answer questions then try to answer in writing. It si better to have one self instruct and find a some on their own then have to explain every detail. We know (as it happened to us) that at some point it adds up on it's own. My oldest daughter needs no instruction anymore. At a certain point she went with it on her own. We can now converse on things I never taught her. She sees the same problem here. Over time it adds itself together.

Brand -A vs Brand-X. - everyone here is/was under the impression that what we were posting was the same old Christianity.  The situation turned out that there had to be a way to compare.

We agree with you--there;s is no God existing as commonly believed. BUT, the book shows a different concept, namely, you me and everyone else. We are about the Me-nome, not the G-nome. Me-nome is the mind, G-nome is the body. Adam is about the Me-nome.

I didn't see you post until this morning. I've got to many irons in the fire. What I'm going to do is start my own thread. I was going to start this morni8ng but I may delay a bit, to until tomorrow morning. I'll be starting off with creation. I came to mind that it's where the Smurfs started so why not start there. I need to review creation, and if there's one thing about this, is digging back into the book of which I'm so tired of I'm simply don't care to but am going to have to. What makes it easier is the online bibles which we didn't have back then (30 years ago). I don't mind others quoting the book as you just did because I can answer without the book. I've become terribly lazy on bible lookups---boring.

OK Q-1 "That rest"=peace of mind, the goal of Christianity, the 7th Day. (see how it works, everything biblical starts at creation).

Word of God living and powerful=Word creates the inner self under which "you" become the power in your own life", God = way/power. Christianity sees God as dwelling within, not out in space, the same as your own person.

two edges sword-- You, be cut not matter which way you go=truth is final, you can't get away from it, as trying to run away from yourself---can't be done. Once one understands the personal makeup it cannot be denied.

Joints and marrow=the divisions of the contents (attributes) of one's person. (as Christianity is a matter of person, not anything actually physical or material) Notice it deals with thoughts, not body/physical. Joint and marrow are symbolic.

creature=what is created before creation. The creations that make up the "self", as in creeping thing=catlike-predator. We all contain predator mentality. (Just pointing to one of the creatures as an example.

Naked and open= Adam is naked and not ashamed. again not physical. It means unhidden/nothing to hide/honest/a true person of integrety/not phoney. Once the fall takes place they became phonies and had to hide their new character,as polititians have to do today, and in essence so with everyone. We live in lies to hide the self from be recognized as a lower then human character. Everyone does it. Civlization is constructed and relies on lies.

2- the flesh profits nothing. Correct. The flesh does not make one human or animal. There's no such thing as a human body. The body profits nothing in the spiritual, and the body merely contains the person, but within the brain.

3-Letter kills. Letter =exactitude. Exactitudes don't allow for freedom of mind, there must be flexability in life. Exactitudes kill one and creates another of rigidity. You'll also see in the book where it says 'Law Kills" that's true. What they are referring to is civil law which is rigid. It removes free thought and replaces it with thought to conform. That kills the child in you and you become mature within boundaries of those that create the law. Creation of person (good and evil) goes to the State. You are no longer allowed to be natural, which typically means you are not allowed to be Christian. We proved that in a court case.

There is this saying in the USMC-- No good deed goes unpunished. Doing good has it's consequences and they can be drastic. To do a good to another may require you to accept an evil upon yourself. Taking a sick friend to the doctor requires you to pay the gas. You sustain an evil upon you for the sake of a friend. But-to purposely do an evil (it's what the world runs on presently) brings about two evils, and that can be upon ones self and many others. IE-- Bush and Cheney,s war idea. Do a perpetrated evil on someone else (6000,000 or more Iraqis) to bring about a good for his cronies and America---with no provocation from the Iraqis. Central government and business operates on this premise.

He suffered for everyone. It was necessary to pay the consequences to change the status quo.

JC never preached in any prison so this is symbolic- In this case the prisoners are those held captive/imprisoned (mentally) by civil law. civil law operates on caging people into a desired direction of thought which creates a blindness to other avenues of thought. It means to release through understanding into free thought-or become ones own person rather then be one of false religions and and other authorities. Bear in mind that the mission of Christianity is to remove all powers. principalities and authorities. An Apostle points that out. You cannot be only human until that process is complete, or have a hard time maintaining yourself as such. Authorities need regulated and submissive sheep not humans, commonly termed, Sheepole, From your birth they unwittingly create you from what is natural into their (like themselves) idea and then have to regulate the harm their creation can be or cause.

The flood at Noah,s time was an Armageddon of it's time. There was no H2/O involved, They flooded over with hate and anger and killed each other off. To much evil can do that to floks. That's were the world is headed now.

 I can't comment on 21- I don't know where he's coming from with that. It seems to be an intricacy hard to understand.

22-wow. It's not that he is actually in control of the PP&A (powers , principalities and Authorities, it looks to me that he merely has the powers to take action against the PP&A , we are excersising this power at the moment. Anyone who understands him inherits this same ability. The idea technically is that any one understanding acqures the power to throw out the PP&A from their life. Understand JC/Christianity is a "YOU". everyone has it, one only needs to understand it. We say--don't follow us---become as us---then you're on your own.

paragraph 1-  They have to go to the Roman authority to retrieve the body. Being that JC is not of the Hebrew religion his followers won't be showing up at the San Hedan's door to ask for anything. That's asking for more trouble. And in having a higher powers permission they couldn't be questioned in the removal of the body. As far as the San Hedran would be concerned---just dump it out into the landfill.

2- Here we have 2 angels--????? Where did they come from and who are they. All we have is a hunch. As far as we know you can't have a spiritual without the physical. It looks like they would be people of some kind. Angel has different applications. The main one is messenger. But- there seems to be a 3rd party. There's the normal Hebrews, and then there's the newly formed Christians, and then there's these Angel guys. In the old testament Lot is sitting at the gate of Sodom when one of these types approaches. Lot recognizes him/it as a man/person. So who is he???. It seems as these types are always hanging in the background. There's a passage- before time the prophets were called Seers. OK, what's before time. We say before civilization, but that could mean before Creation.  It could be they taught Adam how to be Adam. This stuff really gets to far fetched at times and is mere speculation, but they're somebody. We speculate that they are still here.

3-This takes me way back to when I see JC as an idiot and a fraud. Why would anyone come to save the world and then knowingly get himself killed. It seems to me that one would stay and get the job done. It turns out that someone has to prove/show the final outcome of Christianity which is immortality and resurrection.  But then again---- if he could work miracles and raise the dead that should be proof enough that immortality is possible. But then again why not like this---Say there Mr. San Hedran, take as look at this girl over here she' dead, have look for yourself. Mr. San Hedran goes over and finds--yup, she's dead alright, siff as a board and cold as a mackerel on ice. Ok dude stand back and watch this---biizzzert. How about those apples guy, do you believe now. ??? Why things got handled the way they did is baffling. Another thing it shows is---who's at fault for this mess. Who is willing and "will" kill to maintain status and superiority. Isn't it the government that killed him. who killed the Apostles---the government. Who's doing and causing 99.9% of the killing going on today---government. Who turned the wall street predators loose---the government. So regardless. miracles or not, there's no need to put faith in things not understood. It's been to long (2000 years) and it's excusable for a no faith deal when it comes to immortality or miracle working. the trail is cold. Miracles get worked from peaceful minds. Lets get that done first and let miracles take care of themselves. I hope I've been helpful. 

I can't say what's wrong with it. We have no idea how miracles take place. ( if I'm understanding your question). Brand -X doesn't know either. They accept it as is. If I understand our side of it right it all has to prove out in time that there will come those that can work miracles or raise the dead. What's odd tho is how all of a sudden all the miracle working moved westward when the Euros acquired the book. We don't see how those miracles were done and say they aren't true. It's a scam as far are we're concerned. Think of it--if the water at Lourdes France actually cured people there wouldn't be a sick person on the planet. Brand-X is scam all through. JC points out (if one is to go by him) that miracles won't be done until after this world passes away. Brand=X would have to accept the passage as is and----so do we.  As best I know at this time Alpha smurf can't produce miracle 1. It would be nice but reality is reality.

However I do have something for you---you seemed at one time to be interested in contentment etc. I'll explain the Tree of life.

It's always been here and present within one's own nature. First-the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Knowledge is as a tree. it has the root, the trunk, branches and leaves. It would look like your family tree as all trees l are similar. It's nothing more then creating one's own idea of what good and evil is, that is, a conscious reasoning to make something good or evil by choice. That's what civil governments do. What is good today can be made evil tomorrow. it depends on the reason they want to manipulate the masses.

   I'll put the tree of life in modern-up to date usage------Are you ready----SHIT HAPPENS. The tree of life is accepting the good with the bad on equal terms. But, one has at least a minor control of events in one's life. The tree of life are those things that no one can do anything about, it's what comes at you and what you encounter. With experience one can avoid evils before they happen. A tree falls on your house, bad deal right. It causes you to grieve, but there's nothing you can do about it. In a day or so after the event you have to reconcile the event and accept the consequences. Put the smile back on your face. Pick yourself up and realize you have friends. Do your best to make the best of it. Remaining sad isn't going to change a thing. There's a time to cry and there's a time to laugh. Face it---smile-happiness is a choice. bear in mind---happiness happens too. In a few days if not sooner -get your spiritual shit back together. There's help all around, take advantage of it. On the other side you may end up with a better house then you had before, or be in a worse situation for a while, but it's not over until it's over. Let happiness be up to you not a stupid wind storm. Does all this sound familiar---well--- that's life. There's life +, and there's life -. That is universal construction. It is not here for you, and it is not here against you, it just is. Something makes you sad, but what's the point in living in the sadness. You will become more calm and be a more happy person. Accept the consequences of "being". It's not your fault you're here--is it. Is the book right-or is it wrong. Someone knew long before you and I arrived here.