Parts of the Bible Christians don't follow

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Parts of the Bible Christians don't follow

I wanted to start a thread to put all the things we can think of that are in the Bible that Christians don't follow. Not even talking about the extreme stuff like stoning to death disobedient children, I'm actually talking about things they could actually do without going to prison, and still living a more or less normal life (ie, not giving everything you own away, either.)

1st off is the Sabbath. It's supposed to be Saturday. Nowhere did Jesus say anything changing it to Sunday, it's not in the Bible at all. This change was actually made by the Emperor Constantine.

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Here's a video that may help

Here's a video that may help those that believe that the existence of the universe proves a God. It's an intervirew with physist Steven Weinberg:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1788472563417238858&q=A+Brief+History+of+Disbelief

I hope we can get this thread back on track. I'd like to hear from the christians about my earlier posts where I quote the Bible.

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I must comment on that

I must comment on that video. he's obviously intelligent.

But the problem is, he gives no proof to the falsity of God. I agree that blind religiosity is a terrible thing. People that use their own guidelines to decide what religion is to them is dangerous.

I believe that it is not my place to condemn you all, it's just not. That's not what religion is about. I don't believe it is right to condemn science because it seems to step on the toes of your particular faith. I want you all to come up with evidence, and proof. Please do! But don't stoop to calling something irrational unless you can give a valid, hard proof fact that refutes it.

And believe me, the "god" of the Muslims and the one I know to be true are not the same.

As far as the parts of the Bible people don't follow, you must realize that in the NT, it says, above all else is love. That's it. The Ten Commandments are the Law. Everything else was instituted by man, after the Jews wanted a worldly king.

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The bible contradicts itself

The bible contradicts itself about love and tolerance and so Christians have no choice but to cherry pick the bible according to thier character...good or bad..

Faith is a double edged sword wielded by the blind. Good christians are blind equally with bad Christians and for Christians to debate eachother about what the bible means is fruitless because they all have faith which is irrational..

We all call the bible Gods word, God breathed, Gods book, The "Good" Book" and so we are all equally responsible for the bibles respectability. "God says" is not only blind believing but dangerous.

Good Christians make it hard for us to criticize the bible and religion.
Hard to criticize God belief which is irrational and does cause problems.

It is not irrational to have no belief when there is no evidences to prompt belief, but it is irrational to believe in what has no evidences.

The burden of proof rests with theists not atheists. If we believed in things without proof, and we want to be consistent, then we are stuck believing everything without proof. We will get no where that way.

Beliefs and methods must be proven. Do you not see that trevorus?

Lets see how loving the New Testament is. How it values women and children. God loves women and children so of course the bible can give the mother good advice right? Sad

What advice/ help does the bible have for a woman that is beaten by her husband. In front of her Child?

Scripture please if you would be so kind trevorus.


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Quote:The reason why

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The reason why atheists deny God is that they can't stand the fact that there IS someone more powerful than they are.

I find your sig very insensitive and VERY offensive.

Christians become atheists for many different reason. You have no heart for understanding people and you should be ashamed of yourself...


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AntiFaith wrote:Quote:The

AntiFaith wrote:
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The reason why atheists deny God is that they can't stand the fact that there IS someone more powerful than they are.

I find your sig very insensitive and VERY offensive.

Christians become atheists for many different reason. You have no heart for understanding people and you should be ashamed of yourself...

Hmmm, that's too bad...

What I must say is this: A man is responsible for the care and well being of his family. Beating his wife is not doing such. So he's wrong. He deserves what punishment our courts can give him...

Ephesians 5:33- However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

Simple enough, eh? What advice that holds for the wife exactly, I don't know. I'd say get away to protect yourself and your child, because as a parent, one is responsible for their children, and an abusive husband is obviously damaging to the child.

Ephesians 6:4- Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.

One I must pop in here as well: Mark 12:29-31- 29.The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30-Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' 31-The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."

Let me put it this way. People who profess to be Christian, but spout hate, need to read this, repeatedly. I'm sure you can all agree that loving each other at least is a worthy goal.

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Quote:Hmmm, that's too

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Hmmm, that's too bad...

I see...well, I will not say anything about your sig again. I have expressed my feelings about it. I will not tell you what to do. Thats that.

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What I must say is this: A man is responsible for the care and well being of his family. Beating his wife is not doing such. So he's wrong. He deserves what punishment our courts can give him...

Indeed Mr trevorus. I will never say that you are a bad person. Obviously you are a good person by your posts in this thread.

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Ephesians 5:33- However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

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Simple enough, eh? What advice that holdls for the wife, I don't know. I'd say get away to protect yourself and your child, because as a parent, one is responsible for their children, and an abusive husband is obviously damaging to the child.

This happened to my mother. It is in the past, but she still feels guilt over it. . The Law of this era can help, but not the past. The bible is no help.

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What advice that holdls for the wife, I don't know.

There is no advice in the bible for a women in such a situation. Divorse is not permited by our old church. Divorse and separation is not permited by the bible. Not for a woman to do. Not only that but:

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*Titus 2:1-5 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
*1 Corinthians 11:1- 3 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you. But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

..she for a long time she felt she could not say anything. When she did, my dad was given another chance ( family and church) and he blew it. That is when things were handled properly. But we can not thank the bible or God for it. God failed, but the law came through.

If God loves women and children then his book should have had advice to help instead of commands that give a woman "obedient to their own husbands"

Gods advice should have been your advice: leave. But it is males that are the most important in the Old and New testament.

I am looking at a link here about the ten commandments and I will try to present it myself, ( when I was a Christian I never really read the bible a lot ) in my own words.

Here: http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/lewis/lewten0c.htm#000
Which 10 commandments do we follow?


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Here is another one that

Here is another one that people do not follow. Women can not divorse their husbands according to the bible. My mom remarried but I will not hold that against her..definately not. He is a good man.


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Quote:Ephesians 5:33-

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Ephesians 5:33- However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

Simple enough, eh? What advice that holds for the wife exactly, I don't know. I'd say get away to protect yourself and your child, because as a parent, one is responsible for their children, and an abusive husband is obviously damaging to the child.

Where did you get that?
You post and post and post about how we're missing the message and then pick and choose three examples of 'love' in the bible that are surrounded by messages that are not so good when read. I'm really confused.

This is the time when I get to scream 'CONTEXT'

Ephesians 5
21Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
22Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
29For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

What I read: Fear god. Put women in their place as a possesion.

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Ephesians 6:4- Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.

Ephesians 6
1Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
2Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;
3That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

What I read: Do what your parents tell you because it comes straight from god and if you don't then you'll die young. It's been my experience that sometimes doing what you're told to do by parents is sometimes the LAST thing you should do. Some parents just suck at their jobs as parents. The verse you cited is for the parents' guidance and the ones I cite are to put the fear of god into children. This in no way is conducive to a respectful relationship with kids. I have 4 so I've got some first hand experience here.

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One I must pop in here as well: Mark 12:29-31- 29.The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30-Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' 31-The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."

What I read: Love god then Love your neighbor.
Prior to this there is:
Mark 12
15Shall we give, or shall we not give? But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see it.
16And they brought it. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar's.
17And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

What I read: Don't give god money or give money in the name of god which is something that goes completely against modern christian charities. Later in the story a widow gives her money to the temple and no one bothered that she needed it more which goes against the love thy neighbor part.

Mark 12
42And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.
43And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:
44For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.

Now, pick and choose again. There are three examples of New Testament scripture that are certainly not evidenced by the majority of 'christians'.

Have you given money to charities in god's/jesus' name?

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I should have checked. I

I should have checked. I stink at being a Free Thinker.


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trevorus wrote: One I must

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One I must pop in here as well: Mark 12:29-31- 29.The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30-Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' 31-The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."

It amazes me that Christians pull out this verse and present it as though we have never heard of it before, worse, as though this is something original to Christianity. There is nothing exclusive about this. As an Atheist, I do what I can for my fellow humans because it's the right thing to do. I don't need to be a Christian to do this. If I love my neighbor as myself, but don't believe in God, am I a Christian? Morality does not come from the Bible. If God says something is good does that automatically make it good? If God orders his followers to kill disbelievers, is killing disbelievers now moral? No. What is moral or good comes from what is known as a social contract. I'll help you and in turn you'll help me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract

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trevorus wrote:Let me put it

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Let me put it this way. People who profess to be Christian, but spout hate, need to read this, repeatedly. I'm sure you can all agree that loving each other at least is a worthy goal.

That's known as morality. Christianity does not have the market cornered on morality as one can be moral and not be christian. What puzzles me is why one would take their morals from such a vile and hateful book.

Trevorus, why wont you answer any on my above questions?

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yup

It also says that long hair is a "shame". I have long hair and have for quite some time. I think things of this nature were meant for the time in which things were happening. Society has changed from 2000 years ago. Women do not have to wear hats in church no more than I have to wear shoes. Any church that makes that a requirement is missing the point...BIG TIME

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Nope, you miss the point

Randalllord wrote:
Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

This means you are not supposed to own anything.

To "lay up" means to hide or horde only for yourself. What good is a million bucks if you hide it under a rug? It points out to greed being the motivator here. Not wealth. Its the possession rather than management of weatlh. If we are talking Bible here, its the LOVE of money that is the root of all evil, not the money itself.

Heck man, give me a freakin million...no sweat...

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Does not mean literally not

Does not mean literally not own anything, simply don't be a hoarder of money.  Don't stockpile hundreds of thousands of dollars for yourself on earth and live for money, but give it away to those that need it because living on earth is the short part of life


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MrPeters wrote:It also says

MrPeters wrote:
It also says that long hair is a "shame". I have long hair and have for quite some time. I think things of this nature were meant for the time in which things were happening. Society has changed from 2000 years ago. Women do not have to wear hats in church no more than I have to wear shoes. Any church that makes that a requirement is missing the point...BIG TIME

So the word of your God is dependent on cultural and social variations?

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