Most of these things have been occuring even before the Koran was writtten. I guess one could argue that the end has been coming for a long time.

Don't you just love the fact that Muslim's believe that women being held in high regard is one of the signs that the world shall soon end?

It's the end of the world as we know it when:

(61 ) Musical instruments will be kept and preserved with care.

Thank God the heavy rock and rollers are helping to stave off this clamity by smashing their instruments on stage!

Saving the world for Muslims!

(1) People will begin to miss their prayers and pay no attention to them.

Ok happened a lot of times before...

(2) They shall begin to betray their trusts.

Again I think this has happened a lot before.

(3) They will begin to eat usurious income.

Spending money is nothing new...

(4) They will begin to consider lying to be lawful. Telling lies will become an art.

It always has been an art...

(5) They will begin to commit murders on ordinary grounds.

Has happened many times before...

(6) They shall construct high-rise buildings.

Tall buildings? really

(7) They shall sell their Deen (Faith)

People have been selling their Faith ever since someone thought others should follow it.

( They shall violate the bonds of relationships

Happened many times before...

(9) Justice will become a virtue almost hard to find anywhere.

I am pretty sure that is a fact of life...

(10) Falsehood will become truth (and vice versa).

Truth is relitive from person to person

(11) Silk garments will be worn by men.

Silk makes the world end?

(12) Oppression and wrongdoing will become rampant.

I think that is the history of humanity...

(13) Divorces will become a common practice.

Was happening in the americas for years...

(14) Sudden deaths will become a common occurrence.

That was life in ancient times...

(15) One who betrays his trust will be regarded as trustworthy.

Ok...

(16) The trustworthy will be regarded as untrustworthy.

isn't this 15...

(17) The liar will be regarded as truthful.

still 15...

(18) The truthful will be regarded as liar.

15 again...

(19) Calumny (slandering) will become a common feature, i.e., people will put false blames on one another.

Happens all the time through history it is nothing new.

(20) The weather shall be hot despite rains. ( possible indication of global warming)

Ok... its hot

(21) Instead of desiring children people will hate them. They will pray to Allah not to favor them with children.

People hate there kids today?

(22) The meaner classes will be happy and prosperous.

Mean could mean not being weak it makes sense that such a thing would happen.

(23) The respectable classes will be in trouble and cast out of the society.

What is respectable?

(24) The Rulers and the Ministers will become used to lying-engrossed in lies from morning till evening.

People could argue that the did this from the start...

(25) The trustworthy will begin to betray their trusts.

15...

(26) The leaders of the people will become wrongdoers.

'Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely'

(27) The scholars of Deen and the reciters of the Qur'an will become lewd and sinners.

I don't think anyone follows there faith completely...

(28) The people shall put on skin-garments.

OH NO FUR!?!?!

(29) The hearts of the wearers of skin-garments will be more foul-smelling than dead animals; and

perfume?

(30) They will be more bitter than the aloe plant (with bitter leaves).

I don't think it would be a good idea to go around licking people to see if the world is ending...

(31) Gold will become widely used.

What we shouldn't use money?

(32) Silver will be in great demand.

Oh snip, bling bling.

(33) Sins will be on the increase.

Maybe maybe not.

(34) Peace and security will deteriorate (as we see this at the moment).

um what about the world wars?

(35) The pages and covers of the Holy Qur'an will be lavishly decorated.

Making bibles pretty makes the world end?

(36) The Mosques will be decorated with beautiful writings and designs.

Making holy sites pretty makes the world end?

(37) Lofty minarets will rise from the mosques.

Grand minarets makes the world end?

(38) Even so, the hearts will remain desolate and empty.

Shiny don't make people more faithful go figure...

(39) Wine will be drunk freely.

People have been doing this ever since we had it...

(40) Punishments of the Shari 'ah will be suspended.

If you don't follow the rules the world ends?

(41) The slave girl shall bear her master. (In other words, the daughter shall rule over her mother and behave with her as a master behaves with his slave girls.)

It doesn't say anything about a daughter ruleing...

(42) The bare-footed, the naked and the uncultured shall become Kings and Rulers.
The mean, the untouchable classes and the depressed ones will become Heads of State - (this is what has happened in India).

Bush doesn't wear shoes, is a nudist, and is uncultured? First uncultured is relative then even if he is it is only 1 out of 3. The second part was talked about before...

43) Woman and man shall be partners in trade, as women are trying to take part in every walk of life side by side with men.

Oh shit women can work?!?!?!

(44) Men will imitate women; and

Cross dressers make the world end?

(45) Women will imitate men. (In other words, men and women shall adopt each other's guise and appearance. See what has actually happened today under the frenzy of fashion, so it is difficult to distinguish between men and women from a distance.)

Well people don't screw from a distance so check for boobs and by the time you'll need to check for manily parts their pants will be off.

(46) The people will swear by names other than Allah's name. (It is lawful to swear only by Allah or some attribute of Allah or by the Holy Qur'an. In the later ages people will swear by objects as 'by your head', etc. This is unlawful and strictly forbidden.)

So now people are suppose to swear?

(47) In the times to come even the Muslims will bear false witnesses. (The use of the word 'even' indicates that the non-Muslims do bear false witnesses freely but a Muslim who is not expected to do so, will also commit this sin.)

Yes people who follow religions can bear false witness not that shocking...

(48) Salam (salute) will be bidden only to those who are known and not to strangers. This is against the injunction of the Holy Prophet who has said in a Hadith:Salam should be bidden to everyone whether you know or do not knock the the person. (If you are on a way you must bid Salam to every passer-by, except that if the number of the passers-by is very large, you may ignore this formality. However, a time will come when people will avoid bidding Salam even when there are only a few men passing on the road, and the custom of Salam will come to an end.)

Wait, if people don't say 'Hi' to eachother the world ends?

(49) Religious knowledge will be acquired not for the sake of religion but for the sake of earning worldly resources and worldly honor and status.

Um the people who start it might have being trying this...

(50) Work relating to the Hereafter will be done to earls worldly gains.

Funeral homes make the world end?

(51 (War-spoils) will be taken as personal estate has been used here to imply public property which will be enjoyed as personal property.

People have been doing that since war was created...

(52) A trust shall be taken and misappropriated as plundered property.

ok something bad happens with property and lies.

(53) Zakat (the obligatory Islamic tax) will be paid reluctantly, as if it were a penalty.

wow people don't like a tax?

(54) The meanest man shall become the leader of the community by their consent or votes.

Talked about this before...

(55) Men will disobey their parents.

nothing new...

(56) Men will misbehave with their mothers.

incest?

(57) A man will not hesitate in causing harm to his friends.

I doubt they are the mans friends then....

(58) A man will obey his wife.

not new...

(59) The voices of the wrongdoers will rise in the mosques.

moral is subjective so a bad person saying something in a mosque shouldn't be that shocking...

(60) Women engaged in the singing profession (Film Actresses) will be held in great esteem and accorded high status.

Oh shit women sing and get fame?!?!?!

(61) Musical instruments will be kept and preserved with care.

Liking instruments makes the world end?

(62) Wine will be drunk by road-sides.

Oh no people drink near a road...

(63) Wrongdoing and tyranny will be looked upon as acts of pride.

Not new...

(64) Justice will be sold (with bribery) in the Courts of Justice.

Not new...

(65) The number of the Police will increase

Police states?

(66) The Holy Qur'an will be recited in a musical style, so as to enjoy the singing tone and its musical cadence. The Qur'an will not be recited for the sake of its Da'wah (preaching) for understanding it and for reaping the reward for its recitation

ok....

(67) Beast skins will be used.

Leather makes the world end?

(68) The later people of the Ummah will taunt and curse the former people, i.e. the latter will pass derogatory remarks at the former. As a result of this trend a large section of the people is deriding insolently the Noble Companions and are behaving in the same way with the leaders of Deen who conveyed to us the message of Deen. These elder Doctors of Deen are being blamed as being ignorant of the Ahadith and the Holy Qur'an whereas the later generations claim to have understood those sources of Islam better than the former The Holy Prophet . also said that when these signs appear then:

New generations question the old?

(69) Red wind-storm may come from Allah, or

Bad weather?

(70) Earthquakes may upheave the earth; or

not new...

(71 ) The people's faces may be distorted; or

Jewelry makes the world end?

(72) Stones may rain down from the sky or some other torment may descend from Allah - God forbid. All these signs are proving true of our society one by one. The punishment that has come over us is really due to these misdeeds. (Durre-Mansoor vol 4, P-52)

God gets pissed smites and us? Sounds like something that would happen with the ending of the world...

So this stuff may or may not be happening. Where is the proof that the world will end? And I gotta say, I'm not impressed by your religions' disdain of women.

Check this out.
Failed apocalypses, anyone?

Look at that cool little smilie guy breakin' the bonds.... *laughs*
Sorry, the emote made me laugh hysterically.

that was an accident i meant to type 8 and if you put a : right in front of it, it makes that smiley face.

Oh, I know, it just made me giggle.

Actually during those times, 620 AD, women were engaged in the singing profession but it was very private, not as public as we see today.

The point is not that women were singing but the point is that women would sing more open, more to the public.

And what is wrong with them singing in public? Muslims oppress women, there is no way around that. Watch Richard Dawkins' documentary "The Root of All Evil", in it a Muslim gets angry because of how we allow our women to dress. Dawkins schools the moron by telling him that it's up to the women to decide how they wish to dress.

The fact that your wonderful prophet included such ridiculous things as "women singing in public" as signs of the end times is just more evidence of this. You seem like a nice guy, but the treatment of women in the Muslim religion sickens me.

its so ironic that richard dawkins had to pick the most radical muslim out of the estimated 1.3 billion muslims, for his interview on islam.

Muslims oppress women (WHO DOESNT, your society is not perfect) doesn't mean Islam is the problem. It means people, who just happen to be muslim, oppress women.

I can make the generalization all athiests are murderers because thats what most athiests have accomplished in the world.

Give me evidence to support the fact that all atheists have done for the world is "murder people". We don't have our women walking around looking like bee keepers. Not even Christians do that.

It wasn't atheists who attack the World Trade Center. It's not atheists who believe that if you give your life in the killing of an infidel you are rewarded with 72 virgins in the land of honey.

I never said all muslims oppress women, those who don't are moderates and cherry pick the things they like about their religion. However, they cherry pick not because they are true Muslims...they do because they have a shred of rational thought left in their brainwashed minds.

'Give me evidence to support the fact that all atheists have done for the world is "murder people". '

Communism and Fascism athiest ideologies who neglect the rights of people to live a peacefull life, facism promoting hatred and racism, and communism denying people's right to own land, and thus forcefully took land away from people.

Both were involved in one of the most bloodiest and attrocious war in history, World War II.

Military deaths: 24,456,700, Civilian deaths: 32,326,700 Jewish Holocaust deaths: 5,754,000

Total deaths: 62,537,400

I can attribute a good chunk of these deaths due to athiest ideologies such as Communism and Fascism.

And not to mention Stalin killed more of his own people, than Germans who killed Russians during WWII.

Communism and fascism may have been atheistic, but functionally they were perfectly comparable to religions: deification of the leader, constant propaganda, ceaseless tests of loyalty to the party (as opposed to the church). This has little to do with atheism (which is a purely negative belief), but with the dogmatic and irrational faiths which were nazism and communism.

Comparing actual atheists to dogmatic communists and Nazis is disingenuous.

"I never said all muslims oppress women, those who don't are moderates and cherry pick the things they like about their religion."

Ohh boy lets go cherry picking tonight:

Hadhrat Abu Hurayra (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) says that a man asked the Holy Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam), 'Who is worthier of my good treatment?' The Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) replied, 'Your mother (which he repeated three times), then your father."

In another Hadith, it is mentioned, 'The best amongst you are those who are kindest to their wives.'

In another Hadith, 'The best charity is that, a man spends his money on his wife and children.'

Oh and if muslim women hate the veil so much, how come they are not converting out of islam by the millions?

[clear answer: They don't have a problem with it, you do]

Quran 3:195
{ So their Lord accepted of them (their supplication and answered them), "Never will I allow to be lost the work of any of you, be he male or female. You are one of another, so those who emigrated and were driven out from their homes, and suffered harm in My Cause, and who fought, and were killed, verily, I will remit from them their evil deeds and admit them into Gardens under which rivers flow; a reward from Allâh, and with Allâh is the best of rewards." }

Quran 16:97
{" Anyone who works righteousness, MALE OR FEMALE, while believing, we will surely grant them a happy life in this world, and we will surely pay them their full recompense for their righteous works." }

SAHIH MUSLIM, BOOK 1: The Book of Faith (Kitab Al-Iman)
Chapter 31
Book 001, Number 0161:

It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) observed: Avoid the seven noxious things. It was said (by the hearers): What are they, Messenger of Allah? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Associating anything with Allah, magic, killing of one whom God has declared inviolate without a just cause, consuming the property of an orphan, and consuming of usury, turning back when the army advances, and slandering chaste women who are believers, but unwary.

OHH THE HOROR!!

"Communism and fascism may have been atheistic"

May have been? are you trying to beat around the bush?

(or president bush, hehehe )

Anyway both WERE in fact athiestic ideologies which believe conflict was required in order for change to happen, based on the social darwin belief that all nations had a right to compete with one another which inevitably lead to the death and destruction of millions of people and property.

Hitler believed in a social darwinist struggle for survival between the different races, among which the "Aryan race" was supposed to be the torchbearers of civilization and the Jews as enemies of all civilization.

What do you say of the claims that some women are not allowed to be around non-related men? Or are denied the chance to have a job or education? Some women even abandon such practices once they live certain countries. Like I said, I'm not saying all Muslims are like this and it very well may be only fundamentalists who treat their women in such ways. However, it's still because of Islam and if not directly, they use their religion to justify their actions.

Also, please explain why women singing in public is one of the signs of the end times. You have yet to do this.

As for you claims about WWII. Hitler was supposedly a Christian and even if he was an atheist he didn't do what he did because of it. Atheism is not fascism. All atheism means is that you must have a "lack of belief in a God or gods", an atheist supporting fascism has nothing to do with the fact that he is an atheist.

Atheists have contributed much to our planet and I cannot recall a case in which an atheist killed another human being simply because they were not an atheist. Let us see what your holy book commands you to do to people who are not Muslims:

"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate." (Koran 9:73)

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous." (Koran 9:123)

There is no way to argue around the fact that the Muslims who commit jihad are the ones who are the true Muslims. Those who are against such behaviour and try to explain their way around commands like these are cherry pickers. They take what they like from their holy books and dogma and explain away the rest.

So, please do not accuse atheists of giving nothing to the world but murder without taking a look at what your own holy book asks you to do. You are just pulling the age old trick out of your hat of attempting to demonize atheism. We are a bunch of godless heathens and all we've contributed to the world is murder. Give me a break.

"Also, please explain why women singing in public is one of the signs of the end times. You have yet to do this."

Simple, it is one of the signs of the day of judgement.

It is not objectifying women in any way, you are just interpreting it in a manipulative way to get your point across about women being oppressed (even though you are not a woman, nor a muslim to be even talking in the first place).

Around the time that this revelation was revealed, between 610-623 AD, women who sang to others would do it in the privacy in their own homes. It was shamefull in their culture for woment to sing out in the open.

The signs of change are now apparent as you can now find an arab songwritter or singer in any part of the world, singing in public.

This is a SIGN, revealed 1427+ years ago by an illeterate nomad named Muahmmed (pbuh).

Ok, if it's nothing but a sign made by some nut out in the desert than why should pay any attention to it?

"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate." (Koran 9:73)

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous." (Koran 9:123)

Notice same chapter 9 Towbah (Repentence)

This is the only chapter in the Quran that does not begin with: "In the Name of Allâh, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful", because this was a revelation sent to the prophet Muhammed (pbuh) before his own people, of Mekkah, tried to assassinate him.

it begins as follows:

Quran 9:1
{ Freedom from obligations from Allâh and His Messenger (SAW) to those of the Mushrikûn (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh), with whom you made a treaty. }

Think about it, if americans went to war with north korea, you think they gonna publish good articles about them?

SAME SITUATION

furthermore,
Let us look at

Quran 9:28-29
{ "O ye believe! Truly the pagans are unclear; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear povery, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, For Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, from among the people of the book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." }

and Quran 9:5
{ "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful." }

As we clearly see in the above Noble Verses, the laws of killing the unbelievers or the pagans were for particular and specific times, and not for all times and all places. Notice the quotes "...after this year..." and "...when the sacred months have passed...".

It is important to know that when Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him started preaching Islam, he had to deal with 360 Arab pagan tribes at first, and he and his followers had to go through a lot of battles that were imposed upon them by the pagans who were threatened Islam.

its just a minor sign of the day of judgement coming closer.

And our prophet Muhammed (pbuh) was not a nut, if you read the most influential person in human history:

1 Prophet Muhammad
2 Isaac Newton
3 Jesus Christ
4 Buddha
5 Confucius
6 St. Paul
7 Ts'ai Lun
8 Johann Gutenberg
9 Christopher Columbus
10 Albert Einstein

hahaha, so interesting an orphan illiterate can become the most influential person in human history.

It seems to me as if it is you who are misinterpret ting things here. To me it looks as if the use of those words mean that one should start slaying people after these periods of time. For example:

I'm not pretending to be an expert on Islam and my argument is coming from my limited knowledge of the religion. However, when I read this short statement above it seems to me as if you are to start slaying the idolaters after the sacred months have passed. Furthermore, it says nothing of stopping.

Maybe I'm just showing my ignorance when it comes to Islam in saying so and if this is the case I apologize.

Woah, buddy. Where did you get that list from? When you post a list such as this it is very important that you list your source so we may determine if it is reliable. Otherwise, we will just assume that you or another Muslim made up.

Then maybe you should study some unbiased history of the situation of the time before you jump to conclusions.

I hope you understand that Islam is not oppressive to non-muslims, the Muslims themselves are, and we should not steriotype and generalize because this will lead to further misunderstanding and isolation.

I understand how it can be easily taken out of context without knowing the whole story.

Reguarding the war here is my proof that it only applies to that time period of war between Mekka and Medinah:

Quran, 2:190
{ "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors." }

Quran, 5:32
{ "On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land." }

Quran, 25:68-69
{ "Those who invoke not, with God, any other god, nor slay such life as God has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. (But) the Penalty on the Day Of Judgement will be doubled To him, and he will dwell Therein in ignominy." }

Quran, 8:61
{ "But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things)." }

Quran, 5:28
{ "If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee: for I do fear God, the cherisher of the worlds. }

Quran, 60:8
{ "God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers." }

DUDE IT WAS ALL OVER THE NEWS, times magazine even published an article about it:

1 MUHAMMAD

570-632

From the 100, a Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History

by Michael H. Hart

http://jamaat.net/hart/thetop100.html
http://www.adherents.com/adh_influ.html

here is the book (PAGE 3 Is Muhammed (pbuh): http://books.google.com/books?id=jvbNRbDKY1wC&pg=PA3&lpg=PR7&dq=Michael+H.+Hart+100+%22most+influential+people%22+in+human+history&psp=9&sig=nS3AR_J2dxs44UjSLHfXs0RuE_o

As i just posted verses from the Quran and Hadith, you can come to your own conclusion based on the facts.

In fact most converts to Islam are WOMEN. surprizing? maybe if you did a little research you would know that.

"Despite all the negative propaganda regarding Muslim women, female converts to Islam outnumber their male counterparts by an estimated ratio of 4:1"

http://www.utexas.edu/utpress/excerpts/exvanwom.html

Wow look at how many more women want to be 'oppressed'

Ok first being influential has nothing to do with saneity. Second this is one guys opinion, one of which I don't put much stock into.

Christopher Columbus? He found something that was already found and he thought it was something else. He was a part of history, but he held little power, only on his ship, and people were thinking about 'fixing' that.

I don't see Muhammed on the times list, at least the one we are talking about. http://www.time.com/time/2006/time100/

It was not a time article, it was Michael H. Hart's research

i apologize i thought someone told me it was shown on tv.

Michael H. Hart (born April 28, 1932 in New York City) is a Jewish American astrophysicist turned author and activist. He has worked for NASA and been a professor of astronomy at Anne Arundel Community College in Arnold, Maryland and a professor of physics at Trinity University in San Antonio, Texas. He holds degrees in physics, astronomy, and law and is the author of the book, The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History, which has been translated into a number of languages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_H._Hart

http://www.jamaat.net/hart/thetop100.html
http://www.adherents.com/adh_influ.html

So what does that have to do with know who is the most influential persons in history?

Also saying he works for NASA doesn't really say anything about him knowing something about history...

He has done extensive research on the most influencial person in history based on facts. He has no agenda to help any group of people, and from a neutral point of view backed up with his research, he came to the conclusion of the 100 most influencial people in history.

Remember this is an American non-muslim admitting to the fact that Muhammed (pbuh) is the MOST influencial figure in history.

I would think that muslims would be outraged to find Muhammad listed near the ficticious jesus christ person.
Oh wait. The q'uran mentions him doesn't it. Twice, I believe.
33:7
42:13

That must make him real then right?

So, are you going to reply to my post?
Other than the smilie error that I already knew was an accident?

This one.

allah doesnt exit and the world is not coming to an end for another 6 billion years.

That web site primarily answers the prophecies given By Yeshua of Nazareth (Jesus Christ) and Paul.

Its mainly skeptical of the fact that most prophecies have not happened yet... umm, call me crazy: but i think a prophecy means something that will happen in the future.

glamourkat, Do you honestly believe all those revelations are false?

[Bear in mind, these prophecies were given between 620-632 AD]

Jesus the Messiah did exist and did perform some miracles, but he was NOT GOD nor the son of God.

This doctrine of trinity is false and refuted easily by logic (it is even refuted in the bible).

What are you posting, the quran or bible or what ?

Um so if a read a few books I could decide who is the most influential person in Canada?

This isn't a very good source for historical perspective.

But even if he is correct being influential, a person who exerts or can exert strong influence, still has nothing to do with sanity.

Ok, sorry for the christian slant, here's a more comprehensive overview....

Eschatology @ Wikipedia

The fact is that almost every major religion(and some minor ones) has been preaching that the world will end and the righteous ones will be spared or everyone will live happily ever after, or we will all perish in the unmaking (or remaking) of the world.

>>It's mainly skeptical of the fact that most prophecies have not happened yet... umm, call me crazy: but i think a prophecy means something that will happen in the future.

You said earlier that prophecies were already coming true. Wasn't that half your argument? That the predictions of the end times are showing themselves to be true, and therefore the endtimes are coming and the quran is right? People have been "seeing" prophecies coming true for WAY over 2000 years. And then saying, "Oops, we were wrong, but it's soon, I SWEAR!"

I laughed when you asked me if i honestly believe all those revelations are false. Of course I do!

OH NOES! THE END TIMES! EVERYBODY PEE THEMSELVES AND PICK THE RIGHT PANTHEON!

"Ragnarök will be preceded by the Fimbulwinter, the winter of winters. Three successive winters will follow each other with no summer in between. As a result, conflicts and feuds will break out, and all morality will disappear.
The wolf Skoll and his brother Hati will finally devour Sol (the Sun) and her brother Mani (the Moon) respectively, after a perpetual chase. The stars will vanish from the sky, plunging the earth into darkness.
The earth will shudder, so violently that trees will be uprooted, and mountains will fall, and every bond and fetter will snap and sever, freeing Loki, the God of Mischief, and his ferocious son Fenrir.
Two humans will also escape the destruction of the world by hiding themselves deep within Yggdrasil (some say Hodmimir's Wood) where Surtr's sword cannot destroy. They will be called Lif and Lifthrasir. Emerging from their shelter, they will live on morning dew and will repopulate the human world. They will worship their new pantheon of gods, led by Baldr. In this new world, misery will no longer exist and gods and men will live together in peace and harmony. The descendants of Lif and Lifthrasir will inhabit Midgard."

"Tribal leaders of the Hopi tribe, such as Dan Evehema, Thomas Banyaca and Martin Gashwaseoma prophesy that the coming of the white man signals the end times, along with a strange beast "like a buffalo but with great horns that would overrun the land". It is prophesied that during the end times, the earth would be crossed by iron snakes and stone rivers; the land would be criss-crossed by a giant spider's web, and seas will turn black. (A common speculative interpretation is to equal "iron snakes" with trains, "rock rivers" with highways and the giant spiders web with powerlines.)
It is also prophesied that a "great dwelling place" in the heavens shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star, and the earth will rock to and fro. White men would then battle people in other lands, with those who possess wisdom of their presence. There would then be smoke in the deserts, and the signs that great destruction is near.
Many would then die, but those who understand the prophecies shall live in the places of the Hopi people and be safe. The Pahana or "True White Brother" would then return to plant the seeds of wisdom in people's hearts, and thus usher in the dawn of the Fifth World."

"According to Zoroastrian philosophy, redacted in the Zand-i Vohuman Yasht, "at the end of thy tenth hundredth winter...the sun is more unseen and more spotted; the year, month, and day are shorter; and the earth is more barren; and the crop will not yield the seed; and men ... become more deceitful and more given to vile practices. They have no gratitude."
At the end of the Battle between the righteous and wicked, a Final Judgement of all souls will commence. Sinners will be punished 3 days, but are then forgiven. The world will reach perfection as poverty, old age, disease, thirst, hunger, and death are halted. Zoroastrian concepts parallel greatly with those of Jewish, Christian, and Islamic eschatological beliefs largely due to the influence Zoastrianism exerted on Judaism whilst the Levant was under Achaemenid control and the subsequent emergence of Christianity and Islam from Judaism."

AGKSDDFKUFUL, Do you honestly believe all those revelations are false?

Uh oh, I'd better convert to Hopi, I don't want to die in teh endtimes!
Maybe you should too! OMG, the white buffalo ARE being born! Albino animals are weird and prophetic! Spooky!
Sorry, all joking aside, you ARE on an atheist forum, dude. Asking if we doubt is kind of......well.....you're not surprised are you?

Kind of stupid?

Hardly, the fact that some of these prophecies have came true but you deny it has any credibility is probably due to the fact that you want to think about it.

So you are telling me people are not building tall buildings these days? This was prophecised 1374 years ago, it is impossible for an illiterate man, Muhammed (pbuh), to come up with all these prophecies that are comming true by himself.

Furthermore, for more solid proof God exists there are verses in the quran telling you about most of the scientific discoveries people just found out about in the 20th century.

There is no connection between tall buildings and the end of the world unless that tall building has a really big bomb in it. And just because he seems right on a few things doesn't mean he is right on everything.

So how does he say this? Tall is a relitive term and the whole thing could be a comment on limits on engneering of the times.

Here is what you said:
Proof for god is a book that talks about scientific discoveries.

Those scientific discoveries are up to debate and I am now doubting that it is really talking about what you think it is. Plus the greeks and romans knew a lot of things without all the tools we have. And these knowledge isn't vage it is clear and backed up with some sort of reasoning and all this was well before Islam.

umm, there was no history before islam of people knowing there are three stages of a baby in the mother's womb, that the moon and the sun both have orbits, that the mountains are like pegs, that the clouds gathered then send rain upon the land, mentions the darkness found in deep seas and oceans (The darkness in deep seas and oceans is found around a depth of 200 meters and below. At this depth, there is almost no light), in the places where two different seas meet, there is a barrier between them. This barrier divides the two seas so that each sea has its own temperature, salinity, and density

All these are in the Quran, and you need to show me written documentation that all these discoveries existed before the Quran.

Even if I accepted that the above statements/claims were correct, this does not prove:
1. that God exitst
2. that God revealed any special message to Mohammed.

three stages of a baby in the mother's womb
The versus that talks about this or people claim is talking about this could just interpretations...

It also says he created one person then a mate and sent us livestock. But if the interpretations are really what is trying to be said how could this be?

http://answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Science/embryo.html

the moon and the sun both have orbits
We have already talked about the orbits thing a bit, but here is something on greeks knowing a thing or two.

http://image.gsfc.nasa.gov/poetry/ask/a11846.html

the mountains are like pegs
I'm not sure what you mean by this and where does it talk about this?

the clouds gathered then send rain upon the land
Aristotle -> http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/meteorology.html

mentions the darkness found in deep seas and oceans (The darkness in deep seas and oceans is found around a depth of 200 meters and below. At this depth, there is almost no light)

This is what one site uses as proof. I read this and it looks like it is using an analogy to described the unbeliever which fits what it is talking about right before this and after it. This is someone trying to covert someone else. Also if you cant see the bottom it isn't that hard to reason that it might be hard to see down there.

As for knowing before I'm not to sure, but this site says greeks did do a lot of thing with Oceanography.

http://www.meer.org/mbhist.htm

in the places where two different seas meet there is a barrier between them. This barrier divides the two seas so that each sea has its own temperature, salinity, and density
The Quran does talk about barriers, but where does it say they have their own temperature and density? For salinity you could stretch the part about bitterness, but they probably tasted the water to figure that one out.

The claims some have come true already and more will become true.

This proves that Muhammed (pbuh) did not make up stories and prophecies, he was given the knowledge from the one who knows the past, the present, and the future.

It is impossible for an illiterate, Muhammed (pbuh), to come up with all these facts by making them up.

And these statements are not vague, they are direct and explained prophecies that are the smaller signs of the day of judgement nearing.

you athiests all know that eventually the universe will collapse, possibly in a Big Crunch, once it reaches its critical density and once the entropy of the universe would increase to the point where no organized form of energy could be extracted from it, a scenario known as heat death would occur. Moreover, if proton decay exists, then hydrogen, the predominant form of baryonic matter in the universe today, would disappear, leaving only radiation.

{ "On the day when We will roll up the heavens like the rolling up of the scroll for writings, as We originated the first creation, (so) We shall reproduce it; a promise (binding on Us); surely We will bring it about." } (Quran 21:104)

Read this article:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/nadeem_embryology.htm

That's true that plutolomy and some ancient greeks thought the earth orbits the earth, but it was not the majority of them. Secondly, the Romans crushed the Greek and prevented free thought and ideas such as this.

Furthermore, how could Muhammed (pbuh) have known about the ancient Greeks, did you think he had documentation? Do you even think that he can READ?

The myth that you think the quran copies the greek is absurd. The one who recorded the quran recorded the words of Muhammed (pbuh) and not any greek myths.

{ Have We not made the earth as a bed, and the mountains as pegs? } (Quran, 78:6-7)

Modern earth sciences have proven that mountains have deep roots under the surface of the ground and that these roots can reach several times their elevations above the surface of the ground. So the most suitable word to describe mountains on the basis of this information is the word ‘peg,’ since most of a properly set peg is hidden under the surface of the ground. The history of science tells us that the theory of mountains having deep roots was introduced only in the latter half of the nineteenth century.*

*The Geological Concept of Mountains in the Quran, p. 5.

the clouds gathered then send rain upon the land
Aristotle -> http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/meteorology.html

Aristotle made a number of important contributions to oceanography and marine biology. The second book of his Meteorology begins with what is essentially a treatise on oceanography. He regarded the earth as a sphere (contrary to the popular view at the time that the earth was circular), since things gravitated towards the center, and because of the shadow cast by the earth during eclipses. Aristotle was also the first to record speculations about the bathymetry of the various seas. He also recognized that the seas and continents are slowly changing through time, remarking that the Sea of Azov was slowly filling and would eventually become land.

This site does nothing to mention the barriers between oceans, the the Minoans of Crete and the Mycenaean Greeks mention other topics but not the barriers between the oceans.

{ He is the one who has set free the two kinds of water, one sweet and palatable, and the other salty and bitter. And He has made between them a barrier and a forbidding partition. } (Quran 25:53)

Making vague or ridiculous claims like the 72 you listed have been occuring long before Mohammed wrote them down. Things like
"(65) The number of the Police will increase" is a certainty as the number of police will increase as the population increases.
"62) Wine will be drunk by road-sides." This was happening long before even the mythical Jesus walked the Earth.
(55) Men will disobey their parents. This is even written about in the old testiment of the Bible as occuring long before Muhammed lived. And on and on. These alleged signs are laughable to even a beginner of rational thought.

No, this proves that you accept flimsly arguments from authority as proof.

Apparently it's not impossible for an illiterate to list such sillyness as "proof" of the end of the world.

Sorry to inform you, but the latest evidence is that the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate. No big chrunch is in sight. There is some argument among astronomers about this possibility. Even if it turns out to be a possibility it won't occcur for many billions of years. Didn't your magical Koran explain this to you?

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn2759

(6) They shall construct high-rise buildings.

yea im sure they were building a lot of highrise buildings before and during 632 AD.

(27) The scholars of Deen and the reciters of the Qur'an will become lewd and sinners.

The scholars of Islam were not lewd sinners at that time.

(39) Wine will be drunk freely.

This is exactly what is going on in the world right now.

(40) Punishments of the Shari 'ah will be suspended.

After the death of the caliphate, Shari'a law have been suspended if not flat out denied.

(41) The slave girl shall bear her master.

In other words, the daughter shall rule over her mother and behave with her as a master behaves with his slave girls.

Only this century have children had the audacity to order their parents and curse them.

(44) Men will imitate women; and
(45) Women will imitate men.

Ever heard of plastic surgery, or sexual transition surgeries?
Only recently has it been easy now for women to dress and look like men, and vice versa.

you are in denial if you think these signs are false.

(60)What was the definition of a 'high-rise building' to someone in the 7th century? 4 story?

(27)Are you saying that the scholars of the Koran are now lewd and sinners? If yes, can you prove that this is more frequent today than it long ago. (please provide references)

(39)Wine was freely drunk in the ancient world. http://www.waltm.net/bacchus.htm

(40) It shows that even the indoctinated see how absurd this is.

(41) Disobedient were a problem even in the ancient world.

(44 and 45) does "immitate" mean trans-sexual in Arabic? How does having surgery cause the Big Crunch?

Ok what does the idea of a few have to do with it? Are you saying because only a few followed the logic it doesn't mean anything?

I'm not talking about Muhammed I am talking about this book and the writers of that book. If the idea existed before Muslims how can you say it means something if they wrote it down?

I could say the myth that the Quran was the recorded words of Muhammed is absurd. I have shown you how the Greeks have had ideas about the subjects and you dismiss them. Then say it is absurd to think that they had any connection to those people. But if you at geography and the fact that people did indeed travel it isn't that hard to see they would have had contact.

Where did I say it did? Your point was about knowing that the ocean is deep and it is harder to see the deeper you go. Please don't Straw-man.

Still doesn't say anything about temperature and density.

Look all around you, im sure you don't need an enigneering degree to understand the meaning of high-rise building.

Look on tv, they bring those sheiks everyday. They command the killings of innocense and the suicide bombings of muslims.

Maybe the ancient European world, not the muslim world, as it is now.

you reject the fact that now, shri'a law is almost never implemented. (probably because you don't know what it is)

a Problem in the ancient NON-MUSLIM world, in islam respect and obedience of your parents are commanded of each individual, especially the mother.

Not like nowadays where children kill their parents or abuse them. (or even throw them in retirement homes)

you know exactly what this means:

imitate

Main Entry: im·i·tate
1 : to follow as a pattern, model, or example
2 : to be or appear like : RESEMBLE
3 : to produce a copy of : REPRODUCE

FOR NUMBER 2 i gave you an example of how trans-sexual surgery makes it more possible for a male to resemble a female and vice versa.

See you are trying to make me look irrational by comming up with wild accusations.

I never said these signs CAUSE the end of the world, i said these are SIGNS of the closeness of the day of judgement.

Please try to read and understand more clearly.