I know this wasn't directed at me, but anyway.

This is a much better re-phrase of what you're trying to say, and I agree with it for the most part.  The main negative is in the way you will be treated by society.  This applies to open homosexuality as well, or atheism, or many other public actions...is there anything wrong with it?  No.  Will society treat you differently?  Yes.  So, when choosing to do something in public it is wise to consider the reaction of society as well as considering whether something is actually moral or immoral.  You might decide you don't care, and tell society to go to hell, or you might decide the stigma isn't worth it, but considering the reality is important.

My only caveat would be what Marcus points out below, that the language used is not 'neutral'.  Simply saying someone is dressed like a slut has moral connotations, at least the way those words are used in our society.  There is an implied judgment.  If someone says, "My, you're dressing racy tonight" and, "My, you're dressed like a whore tonight" the message is entirely different.  To continue the examples above, it would be like saying, "Wow, I bet that guy is gay!" versus "Wow, I bet that guy is a fag!".  They mean the same thing, and 'technically' the words themselves posses no moral judgment, but the average listener is going to make a justified assumption.  In my experience, the root of moral judgement about sexuality seems to be religious, whether the person in question is religious or not.

If you *really* had no negative emotion in your head when you wrote the original stuff about that band, that is one thing, but anyone reading it is going it see an implied moral judgment simply based on the language and you need to be aware of that.

Now, if the above makes sense, you can analyze the way you used language and figure out if you are making an implicit judgment based on what language you use.

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Everyone is prejudiced.  Psychologists have done studies with toddlers that show even babies are racist, and they've done studies with adults that show racism is inherent in most, if not all, humans...so the issue isn't feeling something, the issue is acknowledging where you might be making irrational judgments and applying conscious effort to work around them.

Being able to do that self-analysis is what separates rational people from individuals like redneF who can't see past their own ego to effect positive change in themselves.

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But honestly, that is just quibbling.  As stated in your last post I barely have anything to comment on, other than, "I agree".

It's bad enough to feel like you're losing but it's doubly offensive to feel like you're losing for non-merit based reasons.

Beauty, like wealth is inherited and even worse it's subjective. It seems normal to feel anger towards people when you think you've been thrust into an unfair competition with them. 

What I find disturbing is that some people (not just women) seem to actually believe that their "betters" are actually better for these reasons. If you tell a woman she's jealous she'll say "I don't need to be jealous because I am attractive" as if physical beauty actually makes one superior.

Thank you! And yes, I agree, too... with all of it. I see your point about the negative connotations of the word and I suppose I could have (should have) used a less demeaning word to describe my impression of the video...especially since I do not see anything WRONG with dressing like that or their behavior (other than those opinions that have already been expressed regarding society and consequences). But,'slut' seemed to sum it all up in one word.

Woo-hoo. Can we mark this thread 'Solved' now?

Oh, and now, I'm going to remove my bare ass from the Internet... (don't everyone applaud at once)

LIKE THAT PICTURE OF SANDY KANE  Rich posted yesterday! That was really disturbing.

Why not ? In a couple of weeks the Captain will probably get pissed off and post another anti-entertainer thread with a few sentences and we can do this all over again.

But maybe she'll leave the pussycat dolls out of the next one. Next time, we can argue over whether Madonna was a better singer than Lady Gaga  is and which of them was more sexual.

I'll tell you the same way I told my HR rep. He asked "How do you feel about your superiors?" I said, I'll tell you as soon as I meet one. 

Aww thanks! I'm honored! My own parents are very sexually conservative, and don't approve of my promiscuity, so it would be awesome to have parents like you guys that are very open about and accepting of that type of stuff. 

Yes! I love this quote. Most of the people I've slept with, I had no emotional connection to. When we initially started dating, my boyfriend had some issues with my past, but I've been trying to get him to see that sex is healthy, normal, and not something to be ashamed of. Nearly a year and a half in, he's finally starting to see things from this perspective. yay!  But yes, I think more people need to loosen up about sex and not care so much who they sleep with, and especially who other people sleep with. 

How did you come to that conclusion ? My boss happens to be a woman that I find to be intelligent and pleasant to work under. I would prefer to work under her than some of the other male managers. Not because of her sex appeal, but because she knows exactly what she is doing and has her stuff together.

Even though I believe people should have the right to do what they want with their sex lives, wherever and whenever they want, I actually agree with you somewhat.  I actually prefer modestly dressed women for the most part.

But that doesn't mean, that I think that EVERYONE should have the same tastes as mine. I don't care anything about the PCD, Britney Spears, or any of the rest of them, but why should I personally have an issue with people that enjoy their music ? The PCD are not forcing me to watch their videos at gunpoint nor anyone else that I am aware of. I personally do not see how we can distinguish between what is intelligent music or non-intelligent music. I like the Rolling Stones for instance. Many people have told me their music is lousy and all about sex and drugs, but I LIKE it. Do I expect everyone to like the Rolling Stones ? How could I ?

That's fine, that is your personal choice and I am all for it. But do you think every other women should have the same standards as yours ?

Let's take the sex thing out of it for a moment.

I was raised in a household where I had my hair cut extremely short, had dress shirts and dress pants for school, etc. etc. It was another miserable aspect of being raised in a religious household and I always felt sinful  because I did not want to dress and look like that.

When I got to be a younger man and started rejecting religion, my hair got longer and longer and my beard shortly followed. Tattoos were also forbidden in my household and when I got out on my own, my arms started getting massive ink, with images of snakes and strippers and everything else I could think of. My father always had alot of stuff to say about earrings, so I got one in both ears and put a stud through the nose to add to it.  I had my moment of weird liberation and never looked back.

Here it is years later and I still got the long hair, the beard, (well the tats aren't going anywhere, hehe) and the piercings. I dress the way I do because it is me and I like it. Can everybody look like me ? Well, it would be a pretty far out society if we did and I don't expect everyone to. But to this day, when I am unfortunate enough to cross paths with a family member, I still have to hear, "When are you going to grow up and look like a man?".

My point is, I don't know if women or men are all about sex in the way that they dress, Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe they are just comfortable with the way they look. I can't really see nothing wrong with it. Maybe if I was a woman with a different background and different perspective I would.

   Your self-description reminded me of "Roy", a master electrician that I used to work with.  Total ( outlaw ) biker dude, not a Discovery Channel wanna be.  At the time he was also a prospect with one of the local Texas biker gangs.  The tats and long hair are simply who he is and probably always will be...and anyone that didn't like it had best keep it to themselves, lol.    Funny thing, after getting to know him I found out he's one of the nicest guys I've ever worked with, a real honorable dude.

I've notice this about most biker types, they are some of the nicest guys around, as long as you don't fuck with them.  Even HA and other gang members are usually super nice and respectful aslong as you don't mess with their business, if you do well start diggin your grave.  In my personal experience biker types have all been super nice dudes that always excepted me right away even though I look nothing like a biker.

 I don't think anyone should minimize their achievements because they are clearly talented and hard-working but there may be reasons why some aren't so eager to praise them.

If any woman had her makeup and hair done by professionals, and wore tailor-made clothes, and had perfect lighting, a personal trainer and expensive surgery she would be beautiful by those standards. She could have started out looking like Meg Mucklebones from the movie Legend.

Women in general seem to labor over being attractive without much recognition.

 That's an interesting question. It's probably one of those situations where it benefits almost no one at the expense of almost everyone else. I think more often than not this kind of self improvment results from internalizing values that aren't necessarily beneficial to you or others.

One thing I've noticed is that when a man ends a relationship with a woman she will often times "improve" her physical appearance, as if to suggest he underestimated her beauty and therefore her worth, rather than saying he would have been wrong to value her for that reason. It's possible her man didn't even think that way but now she does. Even if he did it's difficult to imagine how it would improve the situation for either person were she to adopt that way thinking as well. 

There are some things that must be seen. We should know what we are dealing with. 

Around here we say that is coyote ugly - like a coyote chews their leg off to get out of a trap, you will chew your arm off rather than wake her up when you get out of bed.

Yeah, rehab would be a good idea at that point.