What purpose does laughter and taste buds serve in the evolutionary process?  They are not necessary features for survival.   They serve no biological function whatsoever.   If humans are animals, why don't we operate on animal instict like every other freaking species? 

 

The fact that every single human being that has ever lived has been an unique person with appearance and personality tells me that humans had a creator.

 

 

You need to at least define what qualifies as acceptable evidence.  If you want me to prove God to you via the scientific method, it ain't going to work.  Your trying to apply a methdology created from flawed man to analyze a spiritual reality through physical means.  It's not going to happen. 

 

How about evidence that the Bible is divine, and not a book of myths?  Proof - The prophesies foretelling the future of Israel have all come true. 

Israel was scatted to many nations - Hosea 9:17

 

Then brought back together as a nation in the 1940s - Ezekiel 37:21, Isaiah 11:11,12

Israel would become an agricultural nation and feed the world - Isaiah 26:6

 

From wiki:

 

Agriculture in Israel is a highly developed industry: Israel is a major exporter of fresh produce and a world-leader in agricultural technologies despite the fact that the geography of Israel is not naturally conducive to agriculture.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_in_israel

 

The nation would even be reborn in a day - Isaiah 66:8

 

Now you can not say there is ZERO evidence supporting Christianity.

 

Now is this the part where I am supposed to point out the fallacies in your argument and give you a definition of evidence? Then, you can respond with a lot of pissing and whining about "stubborn atheists" ? Then I make a counter claim and a few other people make some counterclaims ? Then you pick and choose what to answer with some assertions ? Then when those assertions are countered you'll start pissing and moaning about "atheist mockery" ? Then someone else makes a point and you counter with more bullshit ? Then I make a counter-argument and you start playing matyr and whining about " negative atheist people ? 

Isn't that been about the crux of this thread so far ? Shall we continue ? 

TWD39 wrote:

You need to at least define what qualifies as acceptable evidence.  If you want me to prove God to you via the scientific method, it ain't going to work.

Yeah, it probably won't the scientific method is notoriously bad for proving falsehoods but you are welcome to try.

 

TWD39 wrote:

How about evidence that the Bible is divine, and not a book of myths?  Proof - The prophesies foretelling the future of Israel have all come true. 

This will be good, yes let us look at these great prophesies.

 

TWD39 wrote:

Israel was scatted to many nations - Hosea 9:17 

 

prophecy wrote:

My God will reject them because they have not obeyed him; they will be wanderers among the nations.

In the future do me the favor of posting the actual words so I don't have to google it, thanks. 

So the Jews will be spread and wander many nations. Ok, sure, Jews are pretty much everywhere now. Of course, you could say the same about most every people from nations 2000 years ago. Replace Israel with Gaul, Viking, Thracian, Anglo, Saxon, Aryan, Kenyan, Chinese, Vietnamese, Arabian, Swedish or any other nationality/ethnicity you want to choose and this prediction is true. The world has gotten smaller and people are far more intermixed than they were 2000 years ago, it is called modern transportation. But ok, maybe the bible didn't see a reason to talk about all the other peoples that would become wanderers among the nations because the Jews hold the dubious honor of being gods "chosen people" (a distinction that has led to the pain, suffering and death of many perfectly nice Jews)

 

TWD39 wrote:

Then brought back together as a nation in the 1940s - Ezekiel 37:21, Isaiah 11:11,12

 

Yet it is quite clear that the children of Israel are still spread out among the heathen. If your interpretation of the first part is correct that they are wandering the many nations... well they still are. In the nation we know as Israel only 5.9 million people are jewish  http://www.cbs.gov.il/www/yarhon/b1_e.htm 

Whereas there is an estimate 6.4 million Jews in the US alone http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/population.html so, not even half of the Jews were brought back together. Scratch that prophecy up as a fail or at least not achieved yet (and unlikely to ever happen). 

 

 

 

TWD39 wrote:

Israel would become an agricultural nation and feed the world - Isaiah 26:6

 

From wiki:

 

Agriculture in Israel is a highly developed industry: Israel is a major exporter of fresh produce and a world-leader in agricultural technologies despite the fact that the geography of Israel is not naturally conducive to agriculture.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_in_israel

Lol, read your own link dumb ass. 

from your own damn link wrote:

Only 20% of the land area is naturally arable.[1] Today agriculture represents 2.5% of total GDP and 3.6% of exports.[2] While agricultural workers make up only 3.7% of the work force, Israel produces 95% of its own food requirements, supplementing this with imports of grain, oilseeds, meat, coffee, cocoa and sugar.

Hardly the description of an "agricultural nation" Israels GDP is $245 billion, Israel exports $62.5 billion worth of goods meaning that they produce roughly $6.12 billion worth of food of which roughly $2.25 billion is exported. My own state of Ohio, just one state, produces $8.8 billion in agricultural goods http://www.nass.usda.gov/Statistics_by_State/Ohio/Publications/pro.pdf of which $3.4 billion is exported http://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/state-export-data.aspx#25532 

From a world production standpoint, Israel is a drop in the bucket. (Plus if you go through the effort you will find that the largest beneficiary of Israel's food exports go to the US- hardly a starving nation) Compared the the US, the EU and Russia, it is a very small fish in a very big pond.

So claiming that Israel is feeding the world is absurd on its face. 

 

TWD39 wrote:

The nation would even be reborn in a day - Isaiah 66:8

 

Are you claiming that Israel was created in a day? Please tell me that isn't what you are saying. You can't be that ignorant.

 

TWD39 wrote:

Now you can not say there is ZERO evidence supporting Christianity.

 

You have presented ZERO evidence supporting Christianity. Although I will applaud your attempt, you should be able to understand what a miserable failure it was. The only "prophecy" that can be construed as correct is the first. The second hasn't happened yet and the last two are outright falsehoods that will never happen. 

 

 

  

 

You need to at least define what qualifies as acceptable evidence.  If you want me to prove God to you via the scientific method, it ain't going to work.

Seriously, are you atheists simply incapable of crafting a response without derogatory remarks?  Oh no, you couldn't just post counter arguments.  You have to state that my arugments are a miserable failure, and I'm the most ignorant person in all existence!!  Please.  You haven't destroyed my arguments.  You haven't left me defeated.  You haven't shaken my faith one single iota.

 

 

I am merely pointing out the silly games that atheists play with the Bible.   You claim God is a jerk because he orders the Israelities not to spare their enemies.  But if God had not protected his chosen people, you would be blasting Him for non-action.  And you have the gall to demand that God craft his actions to appease a sinful man?  You obviously have much hatred for the goodness of God. 

TWD39 wrote:

I am merely pointing out the silly games that atheists play with the Bible.   You claim God is a jerk because he orders the Israelities not to spare their enemies.  But if God had not protected his chosen people, you would be blasting Him for non-action.  And you have the gall to demand that God craft his actions to appease a sinful man?  You obviously have much hatred for the goodness of God. 

All I want here is for you to answer one question: Why is it ok for god to commit genocide? 

ThunderJones wrote:

Jabberwocky wrote:

TWD39 wrote:

I am merely pointing out the silly games that atheists play with the Bible.   You claim God is a jerk because he orders the Israelities not to spare their enemies.  But if God had not protected his chosen people, you would be blasting Him for non-action.  And you have the gall to demand that God craft his actions to appease a sinful man?  You obviously have much hatred for the goodness of God. 

All I want here is for you to answer one question: Why is it ok for god to commit genocide? 

 

That is like this one documentary I saw, the interviewer asked several religious people (of varying fanaticism) whether, if asked by God (and they knew 100% that it was the real God) to kill their children or commit genocide, would the do it?

I was appalled by the answers. One said "Oh, I'd have to be REALLY sure it was actually God, But If I knew it was God, than I'd hope I would have the strength to do it".

Another was like "Uh... Yeah. I'd do it. It's God, so it must be the right thing to do".

 

 

If I ever am so unfortunate as to meet the so-called benevolent christian god, I intend to do my darndest to kick the SOB where it hurts and then demand to be sent to hell.  At least the Satan character is honest about the misery he causes.

 

Jabberwocky wrote:

TWD39 wrote:

I am merely pointing out the silly games that atheists play with the Bible.   You claim God is a jerk because he orders the Israelities not to spare their enemies.  But if God had not protected his chosen people, you would be blasting Him for non-action.  And you have the gall to demand that God craft his actions to appease a sinful man?  You obviously have much hatred for the goodness of God. 

All I want here is for you to answer one question: Why is it ok for god to commit genocide? 

 

That is like this one documentary I saw, the interviewer asked several religious people (of varying fanaticism) whether, if asked by God (and they knew 100% that it was the real God) to kill their children or commit genocide, would the do it?

I was appalled by the answers. One said "Oh, I'd have to be REALLY sure it was actually God, But If I knew it was God, than I'd hope I would have the strength to do it".

Another was like "Uh... Yeah. I'd do it. It's God, so it must be the right thing to do".

 

TWD39 wrote:

ThunderJones wrote:

Jabberwocky wrote:

TWD39 wrote:

I am merely pointing out the silly games that atheists play with the Bible.   You claim God is a jerk because he orders the Israelities not to spare their enemies.  But if God had not protected his chosen people, you would be blasting Him for non-action.  And you have the gall to demand that God craft his actions to appease a sinful man?  You obviously have much hatred for the goodness of God. 

All I want here is for you to answer one question: Why is it ok for god to commit genocide? 

 

That is like this one documentary I saw, the interviewer asked several religious people (of varying fanaticism) whether, if asked by God (and they knew 100% that it was the real God) to kill their children or commit genocide, would the do it?

I was appalled by the answers. One said "Oh, I'd have to be REALLY sure it was actually God, But If I knew it was God, than I'd hope I would have the strength to do it".

Another was like "Uh... Yeah. I'd do it. It's God, so it must be the right thing to do".

 

 

Jesus came to fullfill the law so there is no longer a need for blood sacrifices.  God doesn't ask Christians to kill people.    Of course, atheists completely miss the most remarkable thing about the Abraham/Isaac story.  The elements perfectly parallel the death of Christ.  God made the same sacrifice that he asked of Abraham.  

 

Woah woah wait. When did this happen? What about The Crusades, Salem Witch Hunt, Spanish Inqusition, Heretic Burnings, (the list goes on). All of these were justified using The Bible. You can't tell me that God doesn't ask you to kill people, because there are many bible passages that directly say this or that type of person should die.

Evil men doing things in the name of Christ does not make them a Christian.   The Bible gives a simple test.  Look at their fruits, not their words.  The fruits of the spirit are  love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,  gentleness and self-control.  Murder, fear, death, condemnation, pain are all fruits of the devil.   Jesus is the example, and he spoke of this in Matthew 7:17.

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Evil men doing things in the name of Christ does not make them a Christian.   The Bible gives a simple test.  Look at their fruits, not their words.  The fruits of the spirit are  love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,  gentleness and self-control.  Murder, fear, death, condemnation, pain are all fruits of the devil.   Jesus is the example, and he spoke of this in Matthew 7:17.

Best get to a church fast. You don't want to die before repenting for your sins here, some of which you've just described. No self control, plenty of arrogance and even hatred against us. Funny how atheists are generally more civil than christians when it's the christian who has a god telling him/her to be civil.

Well what constitutes fulfilling the prophesy? It clearly states that the all of the children of Israel will move back and be united in one kingdom. Since less than 1/2 of the Jews in the world are in Israel there is at least two major groups of Jews, they have not been combined into one nation of people. Perhaps you could say "close enough" if the vast majority of Jews in the world were in Israel, but they are not. The majority of Jews do not live in Israel. Roughly 40% are there and mostly because the British Empire engineered it (of course, I'm sure it was moving with the hand of god, god just forgot about all the Jews that went to the US) Prophecy is meaningless if you look at it afterwords and can apply 99.99% of possibilities and rationalize until they fit. I suppose we could force the biblical prophecy to come true by persecuting and killing all the Jews in the US but that seems kind of ridiculous to me. Guess we have to live with a prophecy that is half fulfilled. 

 

The creation of modern Israel was a long and arduous task that started in the late 19th century with the Zionist movement. With the help of the British Empire it started laying the groundwork and started the settlement of modern day Israel. You might want to do a little research on "The British Mandate" http://www.merip.org/palestine-israel_primer/brit-mandate-pal-isr-prime.html May 14th, 1948 was the end of the process. Saying Israel was created in one day is like saying that World War II was won in one day on September 2, 1945- ignoring all the battles and efforts that occurred the prior years. By the time Israel was recognized as an independent state the inhabitants, mostly refugees from the holocaust, had already been living there for at least several years and many for decades.

 

I'll take it you concede that Israel is not an agricultural nation and does not feed the world. Good choice, because those were by far your weakest arguments. But it does call into question if some of the prophecy is blatantly false and other parts can be considered fulfilled only in a weak sense, do you really want to put all your faith in it?

No, it doesn't say every single child of Israel will return.  It speaks in general.  Certainly enough Jews have returned to make Israel, not only an established nation, but the geopolitical center of the world.  Oh yea, the Bible predicted that too, along with nuclear weapons,  men being able to travel quickly around the world, and explosion of knowledge in the last days.   Pretty remarkable for a tiny nation.

 

And that long and ardous task meets the other part of the verse that mentions the labor pains.

 

 

Not at all.  Somehow, they transformed a desert into a land that produces exports that, yes, goes around the world, hence feeding the world.

Isaiah 26:6 NIV - "In days to come Jacob will take root, Israel will bud and blossom and fill all the world with fruit.

 

Nothing in that verse that talks about a specific GDP of the fruit export.   Israel has budded and blossomed.  The wiki article clearly states that is a major exporter of fresh produce and a world-leader in agricultural technologies, and exports over 40 types of fruit.  The prophecy is also fullfilled symbolically with the spread of Christianity.  Over 2 billion worldwide, and the Holy Bible is the most influencial book of all time despite man's many attempts to try and destroy it throughout history.

  Murder, fear, death, condemnation, pain are all fruits of the devil.  .

Lol is the perfect response to that claim. Anyone who thinks any nation besides the US is the centre of global politics is very ignorant. Israel, on a global scale, is a flash-point of violence and instability, nothing more.

 

First, you gloat that I ran away from your arguments, and now when I address them, you talk more trash.  Do you want me to respond or not?  If you are just goading me for your own sick twisted amusement then I'm done with you.  There is absolutely no way God would impress you because you refuse to believe.  If he mentioned the exact count of fruit, you would be here claiming that the Jews were self fullfilling the prophecy.  Two hundred years ago, a skeptic would be laughing at this prophecy.  How ridiculous to suggest that the dessert land would be a large source of agriculture, or that the Jews could ever come together as one of the most properous nations in the world.  And skeptics are still laughing.  There is no satisfying the skeptics.  Ever.

 

 

Well that's not very intelligent.  Even if God was a prime A jerk, I would gladly take eternal blliss over burning forever in a lake of fire.    OTOH, Satan hates your guts and wants to make your life miserable as possible.  He loves it when people resort to suicide over such levels of despair and hopeless.  Satan is the reason why this physical realm is so miserable.  He won't be your buddy in hell.