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the belief that they ( the atheist) has a higher degree of intelligence than a believer, when those, like me, have a college education, and know atheists that dont.
tithes and offerings. The Bible mandates tithes and offerings, but not to pay God, as most think, but to feed the priesthood. Compare that to today. Without tithes, the preacher or church staff could not eat, and the lights Could not stay on.
Atheism also rids an individual of all emotion due to the religious belief that life has no meaning. Atheism leaves no hope in humanity.
it is a flaw that atheists do not think atheism is a religion, when it is just as much as a belief structure as any other religion.
atheism teaches selfishness rather than selflessness
I could go on an on about how atheism is a threat to humanity but I'll leave it here for now.
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
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now that is taking God's Word completely out of context.
You are disingenuous in the extreme. And the "context" argument is an almost comical tactic that Christians use to avoid uncomfortable truths about their own religion.
Matthew 10:28 "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both body and soul in hell."
Luke 12:5 "But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you in hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him."
Psalm 50:22 "Consider this, you who forget God, or I will tear you to pieces, with no one to rescue you:"
Psalm 9:17 "The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God."
2 Kings 8:12 " 'Why is my lord weeping ?" asked Hazael "Because I know the harm you will do to the Israelites" he answered. "You will set fire to their fortified places, kill their young men with the sword, dash their little children to the ground, and rip open their pregnant women," ( see 2 Kings 13:3 )
Hosea 13:16 "The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open."
According to the obvious lesson in these biblical examples is that God will not tolerate not being the absolute adoring focus of our attention. And punishment, whether in this life ( genocide by the sword ) or the next life ( tortured in a literal hell ) is the penalty to be "feared". In Deuteronomy 6:5 we are commanded to love God. To "forget" God is a capital offense and an invitation to a "hellish" experience.
God behaves more like a psychotic boyfriend than a dignified monarch.
I might leave. Just sayin......
I guarantee that you will post again and again. You will prove me right.
You look at the glass half empty, when the glass is actually half full. In reality the glass is SO full it's running over.
If someone freely gives you 1 million dollars would you not take it?
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Fail again.
If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X
Close to what I was shooting for, but I was expecting "'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me." Isaiah 44:6
However you now understand my question. Why your god? The answer is because your god says so. It is your god's word which brings the religion of Abraham to life.
So where does that leave every thing else about your god? Your god is self centered, self serving and self supporting. Nothing is given as proof of your god and nothing disproves the beliefs of gods and deities from other religions. They still exist. They are still as powerful. They create and destroy. They are every lasting. They can not be destroyed. They can not be created. They are the Alpha and the Omega.
This is why you are screwed.
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Two links disproving your one source as a credible geneticist. Better luck next time.
I simply MUST note that the 'phd' in genetics he claims to have comes from a university that doesn't even have courses on genetics.
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College of Engineering and Science
The College of Engineering and Science (CoES) specializes in engineering as well as the physical sciences such as physics and chemistry. Inspired by Thomas Green Clemson's dream to create a "high seminary of learning to benefit the agricultural and mechanical arts," engineering and sciences have been an integral part of the University's development. Since the first degrees were granted in 1896, Clemson engineers and scientists have made significant contributions to South Carolina, the nation and the world.
CoES was formed in 1995, joining the engineering disciplines with the chemistry, computer science, geological science, mathematical science, and physics and astronomy departments.[47]
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College of Agriculture, Forestry, and Life Sciences
The College of Agriculture, Forestry and Life Sciences (CAFLS) supports Clemson University's land-grant mission to provide education, research and service to the public. CAFLS faculty members teach major subjects and core curricula while preparing students to be leaders, creative thinkers, and communicators. Emphasis is placed on engaging students in research, internships/coops, study abroad, and service learning. CAFLS research is focused on the sustainability of agriculture, forests, and natural resources; food and packaging systems to ensure a healthy and safe food supply; and biomedical sciences to improve human and non-human health.[44]
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College of Health and Human Development
The College of Health and Human Development (HHD) teaching, research and service efforts focus on public health sciences, nursing, education, and parks, recreation and tourism management. Inspired by the motto "The Engaged College with a Personal Touch," the college's vision and mission are to create collaborative models that enhance community well-being and to prepare skilled professionals and creative leaders who build healthy, well-educated communities.[48]
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That's every department related in any way to the field of genetics. Note that not one of them actually mentions genetics.
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Now that that's settled, this is what REAL genetics has shown us:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_African_origin_of_modern_humans
Feel free to ignore the wiki article and go straight to the peer reviewed source material, if you think you can make any sense of it. I rather doubt you can.
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This is the basics of the interpretation of the Old Seers. I could improve it but I think you get a bit closer to seeing where we're coming from. I wrote it up in a hurry so there will be flaws.
By the way, I see you are posting on genetics. In our understanding of Adam it's not a matter of the physical. A true Christian cannot argue genetics. Genetics belongs to the material side of the universe, and, Christianity is of the mental/spiritual/person, and what manner of person one is. From our point of view you're making statements from a carnal point of view or mind set. There is neither male nor female in the ways of Christianity, and that is in the book. There for then, Adam is not a matter of the physical. He called "THEIR" name Adam. "Their'" referes to the characteristics/rudiments and regards "them" as Adam, not the body. The body of Christ refered to in the NT mean - the principals embodied in the character of Adam/JC, and not the flesh body. This is not ment to pick on you, just to inform.
Here goes.
This is a simplistic explanation of what the Book's mission is all about. Put aside Hebrew history as it has some but little bearing on the final goal, except there are predictions throughout the old testament which do have bearing on the book's intent. Hebrew history is a narrative of Hebrew civilization which is no different then any other civilization that has existed. The general philosophy is the same. Civilizations keepmorphing themselves into their own destruction. The book has no intent of creating a civilization of some kind or another that somehow is supposedto work. Civilizations don't work becasue of their very nature.
OK Here goes.
As best isunderstood all peopleson the planet decended from an African bush tribe that migrated over the planet. The one's that settled between the Tigress and Euphrates rivers are the one s that became Adam, that is, the first righteous on the planet. Righteous means (as we can determine it means, "the right way to be human".
The "good guy, bad guy" explanation.
A good guy is one that is pleasent to be around, has a good personality, and avoids being a pain and detrement to others and gets along with every one. Every one has a good guy. A bad guy is one that has abusive traits, abrasive, harsh temperment, doesnt get along well with others, and has a repulsive personality, and generally coupled with an acute superiority complex. Everyone has a bad guy.
The floks from the african migrations that settled in the Tigress region were like all others that migrated to different places, being they were good guy and bad guy like everyone else.. At some time in their world they sat down and took a look at the self becasue the good guy bad guy personality was noticed. After reasoning things out they decided to put away the bad guy and live together as good guys. (There's more to this but I'll make it short) After some time one of them decided it would be better and more exciting to be bad guys, and went to work deceiving and coercing the others into making the change back to being a good guy and bad guy. After a generation or so they lost sight of the good guy concept. But at the time they changed back to the good guy -bad guy personality they got a warning that the path they took will create problems that they wouldn't be able to solve, and try as they may they couldn't find the solution to this day. Being they returned to the way they were before becoming good guys it was told that a person would come to re-establish the knowledge of the good guy-bad guy concept so floks will be able to make a choice to go back to the good guy only concept.
Apparently the messenger showed up and got killed for his point of view by the worst of the good guy-bad-guys that were running things during that time. And during his teaching days he predicted he would be killed, but also before that he understood that what he was teaching would again be lost. And sure enough, it was. So, he promised another return at some time in the future. The understanding that he taught were taken over by floks favoring the bad guy more so then the good guy everyone has. In effect they perverted the meangs of his teaching and the main idea and changed them to their concept of understanding.
So, now we wait for that return.
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Bu bu bu but , Buddhists magically don't have different sects like Churches. I bet nobody in Asia ever leaves one temple for another. Buddhists have magic super interpretations that never are in conflict like Christians.
Naw, cant be humans invent religion.
I love morons like you rightfully picking on one religion while being stupid saying "BUT I'M DIFFERENT".
Yes it is different, yes it is complex. But no different than arguing that Twizzlers and cupcakes are different. Twizzlers has many different flavors and so do cupcakes. Many different flavors of human invented sugar pills. More earthy doesn't mean shit. Lack of god or gods also does not mean shit. Both still are human invented clubs. Praying to a dead man on a stick and praying to a fat statue have the same affect on relality. NONE. Religion is like nipples on men, cant stop it from happening, but outside of making one feel good it does nothing. The downside to those nipples is that humans think their nipples are the center of the planet and universe.
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A strawman.
More strawmen.
Even more strawman.
Brian lies.
Too complex for Brian.
A debatable point. I guess Brian is approaching his quota of stupid. As demonstrated, it never lasts.
Brian makes a compositional fallacy.
A bunch of strawman/red herring combos.
Brian is ignorant of human biology. But we already knew that.
The most grandiose lie Brian has ever made.
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Ok. A couple of things. The body of Christ is the Church.
definition 3 of Greek word soma: Is used of a number of people closely unites into one society, or family as it were; a social, ethical, mystical body. So in the NT church.
The other 3 definitons refer to a physical body.
Now, why does Deuteronomy 6:4 state The Lord your God is one Lord, and you shall love the Lord with all your heart, soul, and might?
You look at Jesus as more of a Buddha, a human prophet, if I will, and you look at God as ancient man's word to explain creation.
if that were so, you have to take out verses like Deuteronomy 6:4, among many other verses about worship and admiration of God and Christ.
Why did Christ refer to God as the Father, and why did He say I and my Father are one?
Why in revelation did He call Himself the Alpha and Omega?
Why did God say there is none besides me?
Why did David wrote all those psalms about worship and admiration?
this whole conversation, i've noticed if scripture doesn't fit your "interpretation", or you don't understand it, you throw it out, saying it doesn't matter.
Hebrew history is extremely important.
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
i never said buddhism doesn't have sects. in fact, i've frequently explained the differences between buddhist sects on this site. but maybe i didn't do a good enough job... please, refresh us. explain some of the buddhist sects to us, since you clearly know what you're talking about...
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Creation debates are blinding.
there are evolutionists, old earth creationists, young earth creationists, and other intelligent design theories. None of that matters.
The Gospel is what matters. For God SO LOVED the world, that He gave His ONLY (uniquely) begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Take the creation tunnel vision goggles off and see God in all His glory.
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Are Hindu's wrong because they believe in their religion?
Christians are wrong if they believe in their religion. Buddhists, muslims, jews, hindus, wiccans, rastafarians, 5 percenters, you name it are wrong if they believe in their religion.
It's not about religion.
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
You play with the words but the meaning is still the same. Call it religion. Call it faith.
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But mostly to those who cling to magical creation myths.
It matters if one is actually concerned about the nature of REALITY.
Are you favorably persuaded when someone quotes the Koran or the Book Of Mormon or the Catholic Apocryha ?
Take the creation tunnel vision goggles off and see reality in all its glory.
The apocrypha. Let's start there. The early church used all but 3 texts that are currently in the Bible. There were other books that arose, and when determining the canon (which is divinely inspired) a number of factors were looked at.
1. If the author was an apostle, or connected to one
2. Was the specific "book" used by the early church
3. Consistency of doctrine.
4. Consistent high moral and spiritual values.
those specific "books" are considered the apocryphal writings because they don't pass those tests.
now quran. Yes the quran states the Holiness and Singleness of allah, however, the texts state that allah did not beget, nor was he begotten, and says follow the prophet Muhammeds teachings. All these point to a task, or "works based" salvation.
Jesus was uniquely begotten, and multiple times, in multiple ways says "I AM God, I AM the way". Believe on Christ and be saved. Paul's epistles even point to this, and being faith based salvation, not works based.
now book of mormon. Paul stated if even an ANGEL gives a different doctrine that which was taught, let them be accursed (the "angel" Moroni came to Joseph Smith with new doctrine). The book of Revelation also says not to add or take away from any prophesy of the scripture.
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
I win.
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You win? We were competing? I was not informed of this.
I won before you did.
Well thank you for proving my point. You reject these other "holy books" out of hand ( as I do ) yet you seem to think that quoting from your holy book (s) will somehow make an impression upon us. Your Bible is as irrelevant to us as these other books are to you. It's the definition of irony.
There is no irony in it. Those other "holy" books are not divinely inspired. ONLY Jesus claimed to the THE ANSWER. Everybody else claimed to "know" the answer
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
It is textbook irony, you moron. Oh, and please don't tell me how "inspired" the Bible is, tell all those millions of people who reject the Bible and follow their own religions.
BTW, don't ever make Christian apologetics a career choice, so far you are only capable of a vapid and superficial defense of your beliefs. I mean really, you are horrible at this.
I have been very nice, very civil, very respectful. As I said I love atheists, I do not like atheism. God calls us to love our neighbor. There is no need for name calling and dart throwing. I never claimed to be an expert at apologetics.
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
You call it civility, I call it being passive-agressive.
No one can love another simply because they are commanded to. You cheapen the concept of what actual love is.
Wow, you are fragile. You should see how the atheists on this forum handle each other when we disagree.
Perhaps you should have considered that before you began boasting of your educational credentials.
I know what love is. I do not love out of command. If that were so my children would have a horrible father.
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
I am an atheist. You do not love me. You don't even know me. Stop playing word games, it's pathetic.
John 13:34 " A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, just as I have loved you, you are also to love one another"
John 15:17 "This is my command: Love each other"
Word games I am playing not. Why should being an atheist cause me not to show Godly love to you? You are a human being, s person just like me. We breathe the same air, and both put our pants on one leg at a time.
like the Declaration of Independence says, we are all created equal.
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Ha ha, Godly Love® ! ....is that what you're sharing with us ? No thanks.
now that is taking God's Word completely out of context.
I might leave. Just saying........
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You are disingenuous in the extreme. And the "context" argument is an almost comical tactic that Christians use to avoid uncomfortable truths about their own religion.
Matthew 10:28 "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both body and soul in hell."
Luke 12:5 "But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you in hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him."
Psalm 50:22 "Consider this, you who forget God, or I will tear you to pieces, with no one to rescue you:"
Psalm 9:17 "The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God."
2 Kings 8:12 " 'Why is my lord weeping ?" asked Hazael "Because I know the harm you will do to the Israelites" he answered. "You will set fire to their fortified places, kill their young men with the sword, dash their little children to the ground, and rip open their pregnant women," ( see 2 Kings 13:3 )
Hosea 13:16 "The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open."
According to the obvious lesson in these biblical examples is that God will not tolerate not being the absolute adoring focus of our attention. And punishment, whether in this life ( genocide by the sword ) or the next life ( tortured in a literal hell ) is the penalty to be "feared". In Deuteronomy 6:5 we are commanded to love God. To "forget" God is a capital offense and an invitation to a "hellish" experience.
God behaves more like a psychotic boyfriend than a dignified monarch.
I guarantee that you will post again and again. You will prove me right.