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Faith in Jesus works for me - it's exciting. I love the Bible and believe all of it - though there is mystery. There is mystery everywhere though, right? I am a incredibly happy believer in Jesus. I'm not a theologian, I just believe in Jesus.
I understand you can't make anybody believe in Jesus and the Bible, and I don't personally try to do that. But I highly recommend it from my experience with it. I can't get enough of the Bible or Jesus. I can't imagine trying to navigate through life without it at this point in my life.
I don't think Jesus or God is a thing you can prove to somebody. I heard about it a large percentage of my life and it didn't mean anything to me until a certain point - then that all changed.
So do you guys think that I'm fooling myself, not really happy, you don't believe me, or do you really think I can't be as happy or enlightened as you - are you evangelistic in that sense or what? What is the purpose of this site? Do you have something better to offer? If so, what is your gospel?
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Offline Sadly, I already covered all that.
Even if Fonzie never changes, responses can sway others, so there's no reason to ignore him.
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Offline Fonzie wrote:Huh? No, hoping for a better future for those who remain and the next generation and taking steps to make it happen.So... the humanitarian hopes are in people who die hoping in people who die.... ?Fonzie wrote:Except it doesn't work. I know, I tried. If free will and god were truly to exist, there would be proof that god is real and that it was the only god. I can't believe in something when there's no evidence. If I know god is real, then I can choose to put faith in it or not. As long as I don't know, I don't get a choice. I CAN'T believe in something that appears to not exist. So either free will is a lie or god is. Or maybe both.Any one that thirsts can come to Him and drink Living Water from the Rock. ANY (free will) THIRST (God - given thing). Any that aren't thirsty,.,,won't come. It won't be pressure hosed in.
Vas,
We are aligned on opposite sides of everything it seems. You say faith in God "doesn't work" - but "it works for me" (and you know the whole scope of opposing view). Know this: that by opposing faith in God you are excluding yourself from a whole new life that is beyond comprehension and your awareness of greatness. Faith is the very principle by which we access the Righteousness of God in Christ. Abraham "believed God and He reckoned it to him as righteousness". The Holy Spirit through David said, "Blessed is the man against whom the LORD will not reckon his sin". Faith was reckoned to Abraham as righteousness before the covenant of circumcision so he could become the father of all - Gentiles and Jews - who have the faith of Abraham. "He who through faith is righteous shall live". What can be known about God "is plain" because "ever since the creation of the world His invisible nature namely His eternal Power and Diety has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse."
I think deep down you know GOD IS
As for, "I tried it and it didn't work" - there are a lot of forces arrayed against it "working" - "for we do not wrestle against flesh and blood but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places." So you didn't win your first fight, or your first round? Neither did I - but I found out who stole my frenchfries.
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Offline Fonzie, the bible is pure fiction and Jesus is Judeo Christian MYTH!
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Offline You say faith in God "doesn't work" - but "it works for me"
But it doesn't work for me. So it doesn't work in general.
Know this: that by opposing faith in God you are excluding yourself from a whole new life that is beyond comprehension and your awareness of greatness.
By opposing science you exclude yourself from the wonders of a free, godless universe where responsibility for our actions belongs to us. You deny the greatness and mysteries that surround us and the joy of unravelling the universes secrets. You lock yourself into a tiny box where the only thing that matters is a fictional being.
I think deep down you know GOD IS
I KNOW that deep down you know there is no god. You're just too scared of reality to consciously accept it.
As for, "I tried it and it didn't work" - there are a lot of forces arrayed against it "working"
Any of which are gods responsibility. Which means if there's a god, it doesn't want me to believe in it. Ironically I'm closer to what your god wants to see than you are.
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Offline Sadly, everything had been covered already, many times over. Perhaps there was reason to ignore a Troll, who repeatedly ignored direct questions, such as:
And it was still quite easy...
But it doesn't work for me. So it doesn't work in general.
By opposing science you exclude yourself from the wonders of a free, godless universe where responsibility for our actions belongs to us. You deny the greatness and mysteries that surround us and the joy of unravelling the universes secrets. You lock yourself into a tiny box where the only thing that matters is a fictional being.
if there's a god, it doesn't want me to believe in it. Ironically I'm closer to what your god wants to see than you are.
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Offline It's as easy to crush a poe as a theist.
" god will not work, if you choose not to let him."
There's no choice involved. Since god is omnipotent and omniscient, he knows I can't just believe in something without evidence, and has the ability to give me that evidence. As a result, either god doesn't exist or it wants me to be an atheist.
"god created the universe, so all science is a study of god's creation. Why do you prefer the fiction of nothing, by excluding god?"
If true, then science should lead one to god. Interestingly it has the opposite effect. Therefore there is no god.
"You already do believe in god, because deep down you know god exists. god wants you to stop lyinng to yourself, and admit that you believe."
Nobody believes in god, and deep down everyone knows gods don't exist. People should stop trying to con the rest of the species into believing fiction to make some easy money.
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Offline By opposing science you exclude yourself from the wonders of a free, godless universe where responsibility for our actions belongs to us. You deny the greatness and mysteries that surround us and the joy of unravelling the universes secrets. You lock yourself into a tiny box where the only thing that matters is a fictional being.
Vas,
Do you actually think that just because I believe in God I can't appreciate science and the universe and work with it - figure acceleration of gravity & mechanical advantage, use geometry and trigonometry to locate spiral stairs, and the speed of light to figure antenna length for a certain frequency? I bet I appreciate science more than you - because I appreciate and know the Designer/Creator through Jesus Christ - Who is anything BUT a tiny box. (THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD among other things)
As far as freedom - I don't think in reality you're free. I think you are locked-in to pleasing fellow atheists for one thing - AND the devil who has you convinced he doesn't exist plus other add-on features.
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Offline Do you actually think that just because I believe in God I can't appreciate science and the universe
Theism alone doesn't make one incapable, but young earth creationism does.
figure acceleration of gravity & mechanical advantage, use geometry and trigonometry to locate spiral stairs, and the speed of light to figure antenna length for a certain frequency?
That's merely a fraction of science. Evolution, astronomy, physics, psychology, there are thousands of fields. Discarding any means you aren't really appreciating science.
I bet I appreciate science more than you - because I appreciate and know the Designer/Creator through Jesus Christ - Who is anything BUT a tiny box.
And if there is no god then all your view is built on nothing. My view is the same with or without a god.
As far as freedom - I don't think in reality you're free. I think you are locked-in to pleasing fellow atheists for one thing - AND the devil who has you convinced he doesn't exist plus other add-on features.
I don't care that much about pleasing other atheists. Cool if I do, but oh well if I don't. I've had arguments with almost every atheist on the site.
As for your devil, I spit on him. He's a fabrication of christians, and a recent one at that. He's as fake as god. And much less relevant since he is just gods pawn.
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Offline Like a mobile hash bar in Vancouver,
This thread starts up oover and oover.
Why keep lighting his Joint,
When the Troll has no point,
But more nonsense and lies to maneuver?
It's as easy to crush a poe as a theist.
Theism alone doesn't make one incapable, but young earth creationism does.
Evolution, astronomy, physics, psychology, there are thousands of fields. Discarding any means you aren't really appreciating science.
As for your devil, I spit on him. He's a fabrication of christians, and a recent one at that.
He's as fake as god. And much less relevant since he is just gods pawn
There are no theists on operating tables.
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Offline Fonzie wrote:Theism alone doesn't make one incapable, but young earth creationism does.Do you actually think that just because I believe in God I can't appreciate science and the universeFonzie wrote:That's merely a fraction of science. Evolution, astronomy, physics, psychology, there are thousands of fields. Discarding any means you aren't really appreciating science.figure acceleration of gravity & mechanical advantage, use geometry and trigonometry to locate spiral stairs, and the speed of light to figure antenna length for a certain frequency?Fonzie wrote:And if there is no god then all your view is built on nothing. My view is the same with or without a god.I bet I appreciate science more than you - because I appreciate and know the Designer/Creator through Jesus Christ - Who is anything BUT a tiny box.Fonzie wrote:I don't care that much about pleasing other atheists. Cool if I do, but oh well if I don't. I've had arguments with almost every atheist on the site. As for your devil, I spit on him. He's a fabrication of christians, and a recent one at that. He's as fake as god. And much less relevant since he is just gods pawn.As far as freedom - I don't think in reality you're free. I think you are locked-in to pleasing fellow atheists for one thing - AND the devil who has you convinced he doesn't exist plus other add-on features.
Vas,
You say, "my dog" but I think the dog says, "my flea".
As far as "young earth" goes, I don't subscribe to the "dating game" - yours or anybody elses. "Is there a thing of which it is said, 'See this is new'? It has been already in the ages before us." It's only logical to think that God has made worlds MANY TIMES before - so the materials are probably MUCH older than your carbon dating ticker.
And yes anything we know is only a miniscule fraction of an atom of a speck of knowledge. Realizing that - do you still want to apply to be your own god?
And, no, your view isn't the same whether or not "if there is a God" (Vastet). Actually I don't think you gave that statement a hint of atheist brain wave activity.
Ok, so you argue with other atheists. But do you guys get anywhere? You haven't come up with any explanations beyond Dick and Jane as to what life is all about, what is the standard, where did we come from and where are we going, what are the "valuable things" people are going to remember that is going to help them know these answers, etc., etc. And yes I know there are things to enjoy and forget these and other questions.
If you knew the TRUTH (JESUS) you could be free of all this tail chasing false impressionistic blind walking spirit stumbling right left questioning false knowledge knowing. KNOW JESUS = KNOW GOD
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The Troll blathered on, ignoring the problems with Its credibility...
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Offline You say, "my dog" but I think the dog says, "my flea".
Eh?
As far as "young earth" goes, I don't subscribe to the "dating game" - yours or anybody elses. "Is there a thing of which it is said, 'See this is new'? It has been already in the ages before us." It's only logical to think that God has made worlds MANY TIMES before - so the materials are probably MUCH older than your carbon dating ticker.
Lol. Well, at least you don't think the universe is only a few thousand years old. My view on you has slightly improved.
And yes anything we know is only a miniscule fraction of an atom of a speck of knowledge. Realizing that - do you still want to apply to be your own god?
Until someone or something better comes along I really have no choice in the matter.
And, no, your view isn't the same whether or not "if there is a God"
Yes it is. Whether or not a god created the universe, the universe exists. Evolution happens. Entropy is the guiding force. Gravity holds everything together. Everything that lives, dies.
The existence or non-existence of a god isn't particularly relevant.
Ok, so you argue with other atheists. But do you guys get anywhere?
Sometimes. Not always, but sometimes.
You haven't come up with any explanations beyond Dick and Jane as to what life is all about, what is the standard, where did we come from and where are we going,
I gave you these answers. Some of them at least. Twice even. The fact you ignore it simply tells me there's no point to repeating myself nor addressing something I hadn't yet, if in fact I haven't addressed something.
If you knew the TRUTH (JESUS) you could be free of all this tail chasing false impressionistic blind walking spirit stumbling right left questioning false knowledge knowing. KNOW JESUS = KNOW GOD
If you knew the TRUTH (SCIENCE) you could be free of all this tail chasing false impressionistic blind walking spirit stumbling right left questioning false knowledge knowing. KNOW SCIENCE = NO GOD
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Offline The Victoria Day festivities left plenty of leftovers for the Troll, who still avoided acknowledging Its dishonesty:
Fonzie wrote:Eh?You say, "my dog" but I think the dog says, "my flea".
Until someone or something better comes along I really have no choice in the matter.
Whether or not a god created the universe, the universe exists. Evolution happens. Entropy is the guiding force. Gravity holds everything together. Everything that lives, dies. The existence or non-existence of a god isn't particularly relevant.
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Offline Fonzie wrote:Lol. Well, at least you don't think the universe is only a few thousand years old. My view on you has slightly improved.As far as "young earth" goes, I don't subscribe to the "dating game" - yours or anybody elses. "Is there a thing of which it is said, 'See this is new'? It has been already in the ages before us." It's only logical to think that God has made worlds MANY TIMES before - so the materials are probably MUCH older than your carbon dating ticker.
Vas,
Well, if you think the world has been here a long, long time but man is only going to last one "lifetime" - man must be the greatest failure of the universe.
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Offline Vastet wrote:Fonzie wrote:Lol. Well, at least you don't think the universe is only a few thousand years old. My view on you has slightly improved.As far as "young earth" goes, I don't subscribe to the "dating game" - yours or anybody elses. "Is there a thing of which it is said, 'See this is new'? It has been already in the ages before us." It's only logical to think that God has made worlds MANY TIMES before - so the materials are probably MUCH older than your carbon dating ticker.
Vas,
Well, if you think the world has been here a long, long time but man is only going to last one "lifetime" - man must be the greatest failure of the universe.
There are so many problems with this statement. For one thing we have not guaranteed our end as a species buy a long shot.
Yes, given sufficient time, our descendants will evolve as we did, but I don't see why that's a bad thing. Most evolutionary changes are environmentally and sexually motivated. So our descendants will simply adapt to their surroundings, and keep multiplying. How is that bad?
And if we do die out, so what? We accomplished more than any other species in all Earths history. No other species flew to the moon. No other species can plumb the depths of the oceans, cross all the land, AND fly above the clouds. No other species has mastered the power of the atom. No other species has sent objects out of the solar system and into orbit around all its planets, or planned to send some of its own to another world. No other species has mastered communication and electricity.
If we blew ourselves up tomorrow, how could that possibly equate to the greatest failure in the universe?
We talk about the universe as if we comprehend it, but we really don't. The universe is literally incomprehensible. No person can truly imagine the sheer vastness of it, let alone the uncountable objects within it. The galaxy closest to the milky way, andromeda, is approximately 2.5 million light years away. The light we see from the stars closest to us was generated 2.5 million years ago.
Humans weren't even around 2.5 million years ago. The genus our species belongs to had only been around a few million years, and it would be 2.3 more million years before our species diverged from other primates. Andromeda is the closest major galaxy that you can see with the naked eye.
The furthest yet seen is estimated at 13.2 billion light years away. Our solar system didn't even exist when that light was first generated.
To finish it off, the expansion of the universe over its 13.8 billion years ensures that we probably cannot see as much as half of it, because galaxy clusters are moving away from each other sufficiently quickly that the light doesn't move fast enough to catch up.
Yet you have the arrogance to think that our VERY young species on this tiny little speck of a planet could possibly be the single greatest failure of the whole thing? When we've done so much and left a mark on this world that cannot be removed by time until the planet itself is no more? You must have ridiculously high standards for success.
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Light reading as you witness in a salon when flipping through a magazine
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Reading that just happens to have turned up of late. And, I never indicated if this has purely literal or only symbolic meaning
The strangest thing I've witnessed of late is a strange little wood-type nymph canvassing an area I was forced to recently visit. With her tireless work of her one woman campaign to help PREGNANT women. I myself undoubtedly having a great willingness to help out. I was curious by her canvassing, so I asked if she was willing to help a particular group in her activities. She stopped for just a moment. Then she replied to me: No! It's all pregnant women.
Light reading I was glossing over, as you've witnessed in a salon, when an individual is flipping through a magazine :
ANE myth -- ''..Suddenly the of his mind was altered. Again, only tears like streams flowed".
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''Why does thou rejoicest about thine interior'', Fate asked again and thus spoke. ''Into thine interior, Do not rejoice about thine interior''.
''(Fore) Into thine interior, I (Fate) have put a heavy load. First, I have made thee pregnant with the River of Judgment known as the Tigris, a bountry, the eye of the great mother.
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'' The midwives brought him (or her) to birth, and Fate place this child on the knee of the elder brother. Who with liberal, accepting eye, smiled,. Oh, Let him go up to the Heaven someday, he exclaimed''
''For as it is written, '' Who will any longer endure this one's neglect ?!?''
''Who will any longer fight ? Who will any longer endure this one's fearfulness, my love ?
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p.s. -- To a key part of our group. There has not even been swapping of saliva with ANY in all this talk; however, let all the stupid UNVEILING of even greater misinterpretation commence. Try not to be more like horses' behinds than anything else while doing so!!
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April 30th Nu 3645 >> We don't mess with life and death . . . 
Nu 3645 Note: About the pic featured is of Willow and Tara (of Buffy fame)
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An aside. -- An Old Inside joke. To explain, Photo is an ode to Jean Chauvin, with another example of frankly stupid presumptuous presumptions (See:: Photo)
Believe it or not some people actually never caught the wildly popular teen Tele series
Jean Unlike the feminists witches who worship Diana with 64 million boobs on her chest. Pretty strange lesbians in this day and age.
Jean Chauvin, the tough acting / virtually harmless little novice User made many worse statements. Small Caveat, For those you never knew the Buffy the vampire slayer SERIES, Buffy the Vampire Slayer is an American television series which aired from March 1997 until May of 2003. The picture featured in the Upload (above) is of Willow and Tara from the American Joss Whedon produced television series. These two 'witches' were regularly seeing each other, and meeting up at Tara's dorm room to practice 'spells' together. I felt I needed to show the tie-in of the picture to some of Jean's presumed biases, based on previous but now inactive User photo, of-an avatar mainly (go figure).
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Vas,
Yeah, pop in every so often to see if any atheist has lit the way - it hasn't been done yet by any atheist, you included.
Your freewill has been exercised, your distractions have been dumped, flung, pasted and spread - and you have displayed your definition of, "we help our fellow man", and "we come up with deep thoughts". No doubt you are the people and wisdom will die with you.
It is a busy schedule....
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Not to intrude or for any interruption
I am sure you are losing points on this one OP!!
OP :: Why is it only about eyes are inevitably cast on any who are put into the situation about conduct ... eyes are inevitably cast on any who are put into the situation, of being put on trial /? Recall if you will, it can be potentially devastating, our words. By your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned.
I know you've fully convinced yourself youre only doing your job, that is painfully evident. To exhortingly rebuke, correcting errors and reproving evils are necessary for progress. Fine. But, You do not know what spirit you are of. One thing that thou lackest, dare I say it. Yes, Yes I will, that is in a single word . . ''Love''. You are not meek, and have not shown this quality, usually you risk alienating people, and in every post you're denoting a self-occupied waster of everyone's time. Be nice !!
Fonzie -- Why don't you risk reaching out; Why can't you reach out ??? Fonz, Meet your worst example of a christian Come one, and come all. How can you dare proclaim this when you won't even take time with people. Under some kind of vow, I don't know of ?!??
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p.s. -- You once wrote perfect love casts out fear (..double meaning).
Funny how you haven't gotten a single person to believe your bullshit. The truly messed up people like yourself rarely change. You are valued, however, as you show those who frequent the sit just how bat shit crazy one must be to believe in your religion. Here's hoping you are still around in 5 years, convincing more people to become atheists.
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Vas,
Not really. You know there were people there when Jesus healed sick, raised dead, blind saw, multitudes fed, lepers cleansed...who didn't believe in Him - they just wondered how to get rid of Him. You're not quite up with them. Judas - likewise had every advantage; one of the twelve, heard the teachings, etc. - yet had a demon.
BTW this is the atheist website. What's funny is I can't get any of you to say what your perspective on life is. Well, "you live, you die" - there's been that. But rather than take the opportunity to treat me to a new and wonderful way of atheist life with all its splendor and joys, embracing reality and being embraced by said reality - free, free, free indeed... no, instead you come on with the spreader again.
My purpose hasn't changed from the start. Believing in Christ...works for me. Christ is reality, Live help and Presence. The Bible is the Word of God and a Light to our path. The work of God is to believe in the One He has sent. You can make fun of it - but you can't offer anything that begins to measure up to the Water of Life and the Bread of Life.
Yes, really.
No, I don't know that. I don't know there ever was a jesus, and neither do you. I certainly don't know that anyone was trying to kill him. Though if he did exist, I'd imagine it was true. That's the thing about religion. Whenever a new one appears, the old ones want to destroy it so they can keep their power.
Amusing. There's a problem with your analogy. Assuming the mythology is true, judas knew jesus personally. Could ask questions and get answers. Chose to betray him. I never had those luxuries.
The day jesus shows up, send him to me. I have questions that no christian has ever been able to answer, yourself included. No god gave me an instruction manual. There's only the bible. Problem is that the bible fails in every respect. It's a book of lies and poorly written stories. That's a indisputable fact. You'll try to dispute it anyway, but I can no more indulge your dispute than I can indulge anyone else who defends a proven lie. You were hoodwinked, but I won't be.
I've given my perspective at least 5 times over the years. Too bad you've insisted on quarantining yourself here for so long you missed it.
MY perspective on life is that each of us chooses our perspective on life. I choose to educate people when I can, so my knowledge and experience doesn't completely die when I do. I choose to enjoy myself as much as possible without hurting others in the process. Unless they hurt me of course. Then hurting them becomes self defence. But that's another topic.
Embracing religion works for you. Congrats. It doesn't work for me. Not without proof that I'm not wasting the only life I'll ever have on magic beans and invisible sky daddys who made a cruel world without any reason except perhaps to be cruel. I'm a pretty arrogant person, but even I'm not so egotistical as to think that all creation was made just for me and mine. That's patently ridiculous. And nothing short of god himself can convince me otherwise. I've been waiting a long time, and I've done a lot of searching, but no god has yet deigned to give me a reason to believe.
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One of the kids in the hall was too innocent to realize that like Rob Ford, some Trolls were beyond the hope of rehab. Or at least, the only socialized medicine to give a Troll was:
And yet, it was still quite easy, eh...
jesus knew you before you existed. Each time you sin, you kill jesus again, whether you know it or not.
All false religions want to destroy the True one. The One True religion does not want to destroy, but save.
Judas chose to betray because god gave him the free will to choose. And/Or god hardened Judas' heart like he did pharoah's.
The day jesus shows up is coming; you can choose the luxuries or heaven, or to be sent to the destitution of hell. All you can do is ask questions that can't be answered, but will you be able to answer for yourself before god? The bible is the instruction manual, but it can't help you if you choose to remain illiterate.
jesus has been offering you the proper perspective on life at least an infinite number of times over the past 2,000 years. Would you rather be quarantined in Purgatory, until you've been deloused of your sins? I choose to save other people when I can, so I'm not sitting alone when I go to heaven. jesus allowed others to hurt Him as much as possible, while hurting noone in the process. That became the defence of humanity.
Creation wasn't made for you. You were made for god. god will not give reason to believe to those who aren't willing to accept His reasons.
There are no theists on operating tables.
*Lights the peanut gallery on fire and smiles as the screams begin*
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Surprised the OP is still here at least. Imagine it's the size of the thread that's kept him from understanding.
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Perceptions are often far different from reality
Stuntgibbon. I 've never seen any efforts to desire to understanding anything!!
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I have to rush off soon, so I will be very brief. This goes on and on, like so many things, because of a lack of effort to understand others. Boy, oh Boy Fun! It is a lack of understanding that bring us to this painful situation in which we find ourselves. It is prompted and then yielded within a unique combination of factors. Distortions coupled with Narcissistic tendencies, not willing for the necessary humility to recognize one's own strengths and weaknesses.
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But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law (Gal 5:22-23)
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Vas,
So you laugh and tell me that's not your perspective Ha, Ha, and you don't know or believe any of it. Sure, but I was telling you my perspective. You say the Bible fails and you say that's an indesputable fact. You're totally wrong about that. The Bible, the Word of God doesn't fail in any respect. Jesus said, "...My teaching is not Mine but His Who sent Me. If ANY man's will is to do His Will he shall know whether the teaching is from God or I am speaking on My Own Authority." So there's a free-will taste test you can conduct in your own laboratory - but it involves your free will. I think the "if" is a big "IF" in your case - though "any" would certainly leave the door wide open.
O taste and see that the LORD is good! Happy is the man who takes refuge in Him!
There are no theists on operating tables.
Yep.
And then I told you mine. Feel free to laugh at it if you want, it won't hurt my feelings. I'm quite comfortable with my perspective.
Nope. You're totally wrong to say otherwise.
It fails in EVERY respect. It fails as a story, it fails as a historical document, it fails as the word of a god, and it fails as a teacher of ethics. IT FAILS. Period.
So if you believe then you will believe. Perfect circular logic. Too bad belief isn't a choice. It's a reaction. Belief and free will have nothing to do with each other. Which is good. If I believed I could fly I'd be dead by now. Fortunately I can't choose to believe that I can fly.
It is my hope that one day you will escape the shackles of your false religion and enter the enlightenment age with the rest of us. There are more questions to ask and the answers are far more interesting. Enter the light and abandon your cult. Stop being a slave to ancient and primitive beliefs and join humanity in the age of science. True freedom brings real happiness, not the fake stuff you currently embrace.
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Feeding wholesome, Canadian produce
To a lying Troll, serves but no use.
Carrying on in this way,
Is as wasteful as (eh?)
Pouring Molson Dry on a dead Moose.
There are no theists on operating tables.
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
You leave the evil moose out of this, blasphemer. The almighty Panda will urinate on your bones.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Vas,
I'm not laughing at your perspective. Actually I think it indicates something about your nervous position that you have to mock and ridicule faith in God. It says you aren't comfortable or fulfilled in your position and sense you are on thin ice. It's kind of like a guy trying to have self - esteem in the modern sense but he is having to distract himself from the reality by exuding over-confidence. You take comfort in your derision of God and faith in God and the Word of God - because it helps you forget your nervousness about it? Or does it help you forget the emptiness you evidently have in your position - since you haven't expounded on the results of your exciting exploration of your definition of light and freedom. Thus you project your "fakeness" and the true unhappiness you embrace on me.
You forget I have experienced the position you are in and have been delivered from it - through the Red Sea. And I have gone through the wilderness of a confusing environment of false impressions and on into the promised land of full assurance in Christ. I am drinking Water from the Rock and eating Bread that endures to eternal life and being strengthened by it. I'm thankful to have been delivered from an empty life going nowhere and searching for answers in the sea of the contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge.
The "circular logic" you spurn does make sense. Something will always be remote to you regardless of study and talk until you actually do it. In order to try something you might have to set aside some barriers of pride or prejudice or popularity or the way you always did it - but these are barriers of progress. The humble position is the real learning position. The position of pride - thinking you are "in the know" when what you or I know is such a small percentage of what there is to know - is a false position supported by un-fresh air. Pride is unreal - humble will "taste and see that the LORD is Good". I see circular confusion in your position - a position unable to give any real perspective of life and death, origin or creation, meaning or standard of reference. You are spinning dizzily and wobbling. But here on RRSQ you are not alone - you are joined by others spinning and wobbling. But none of them can offer answers, meaning or perspective - including you. It's tragic. It's like drowning in 3 feet of water.
People would have a better time worshipping the sun. There it is, you don't have to pretend it exists. It actually can give life and kill us. Then at least you wouldn't be trying to prove imagination.
It was still quite easy to duplicate the Troll's blather:
If not for god, there would be no sun, or Son. The sun can give life and kill us, but the Son can give us eternal life. If you stare into the sun, you will go blind. But the Son radiates divine light to guide you on the path to salvation.
And still, the only useful thing to feed the Troll was:Quote:
There are no theists on operating tables.
Maybe you should.
I'm not nervous. I wouldn't mock a god if there was one. That'd be insane. I mock faith because it deserves to be mocked. If it's mocked enough maybe people will keep it to themselves where it belongs. In a perfect world even that wouldn't do anything because the faithful wouldn't be so arrogant as to think their way was the only right way and that everyone should believe as they do. Instead we have theists protesting at funerals and trying to destroy science in classrooms, as well as wanting everyone's kids to pray to their god. Well until the theist dictator wannabes shut the hell up I will stand in their way, mocking them and showing the whole world how ridiculous they are.
No it says I've looked for god and found nothing. It says I'm sick to death of smirking assholes who provide food to the hungry ONLY if they accept a religion. I'm absolutely sick of idiots who start wars because of imaginary friends. Go Russia and America both for starting the first war in thousands of years that has nothing to do with religion.
I'm sick of christians and moslems and jews and wiccans and scientologists and everything else. How much is it to ask that all you ignorant psychotic assholes fuck off and leave the rest of us alone?
You don't know what happiness is, and you never will unless you break the shackles of the cult you are in.
If you were ever in my position then you wouldn't be here now.
Only if you want it to. Thinking processes that don't work were rooted out of me as a kid in school, when they taught me how to think critically. For which I am very thankful. It's one of the only good things about all my years of schooling, but it is so valuable that it made all the other shit worthwhile as well. I don't have to worry about being suckereed into some bullshit religion, because I can quickly see why it is bullshit. I feel sorry for people like you who think circular logic and other fallacies are valid arguments. You've broken your brain. You don't know how to think and the whole world is thus so scary you need to believe in a god just to keep going. Your emotional arguments can have no hold on me. I see the world for what it is. I see things more clearly than any theist and even most atheists. And I am not afraid. Where you are terrified.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
What gives my life meaning is:
( A ) Internet porn
( B ) Fondling my collection of assault weapons and running my fingers through vast piles of ammunition.
Vas,
Like Job and the three amigos you may be saying some things that have a spark of truth in them - but they don't apply to me (I DO need God though, you're right about that).
Since you "see things more clearly than any theist and even most atheists" and are "not afraid whereas I'm terrified" maybe you could lay out your answers to life - other than your mission to stomp out something you don't think exists and point to counterfeit examples... I for one would like to see it and promise not to be terrified by it. Of course, if your position is fake and empty like some of the counterfeit religious examples you are angry with - then forget it. But I'm waiting to see it, willing to see it, and wanting to see it. If your view of life is just a joke, then joke about it. Mine is real.
Lots of people seem to need a god. I have no problem with that. So long as they don't shove it in my face and tell me I'm doomed for not having one myself, theists and I can be friends. I have a few friends who are theists. They don't preach to me and I don't preach to them and we get along great.
I did that. I'll do it again. Everyone has to make a choice. YOU CHOOSE the meaning of YOUR life. Noone else and nothing else can do it for you. You have chosen some branch of the christian faith to exemplify the meaning of your life. I've chosen a humanitarian approach. Neither are empty or meaningless to the one holding the view.
You aren't getting it. I'm not trying to stomp out gods. I think any attempt to do so is doomed to fail horribly. I'm trying to prevent people from forcing their religious beliefs on others, myself included.
My views on life are quite real. Yours are a joke to me. I know they are serious to you, but they are ridiculous from my standpoint. Perhaps mine are ridiculous from yours. It doesn't bother me at all if so.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Strangely, they continued to feed the Troll , knowing It would only respond with more of the same nonsense that had served it well these many years and many thousands of posts. Of course, the Peevish Troll dared not nibble on:
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All people need god, but not all know it. Until you know that yourself, you do have a problem. jesus let them shove nails in his hands so that you wouldn't be doomed. Telling you how you can be saved is the friendliest thing I can do for you.
I am serious about the Truth, and anything else looks ridiculous to me. When you believe in the non-substance of atheism, it is no wonder you find the Truth ridiculous.
There are no theists on operating tables.
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Vas,
Actually I wouldn't call that a friendship - walking down the road with explosive pre-conditions and regulations; however I have experienced the "force" attempts of religious zealots you mention and in my understanding that comes from a off-base legal approach toward God rather than the "Righteousness of faith" like Abraham's - (he who through faith is righteous shall live). IOW what I am saying is this: when a person finds the real thing there is no need to try to force anything because of the fulfilling reality of it. The legal approach to God (falsely thinking one is earning points by following laws, ceremonies, etc.) leads to the unfilfilled forceful approach you and I would both disdain.
Can I ask in ignorance of your sice how this works for you in these ways: you don't need a God, don't have a God, so when you have a problem bigger than yourself you don't pray to anyone greater than yourself? - or do you simply never have a probem bigger than yourself? Or please, one more: project your humanitarian imagination to the death bed - what is your hope at that point and what is your approach? Again, I'm not trying to bother you or force anything or ridicule your position. I think it's a fair question since I need God and you don't - and my position doesn't bother you at all and honestly I don't have the answer from your side.
That's because you're a psychotic who has no appreciation for the fact that he's wrong about everything, and you don't know what friendship is.
Not all theists are as nutty as you are. Most of them are generally rational. You aren't, as evidenced by the fact you've spent years on this topic trying the same shit over and over again and somehow expecting the results will change.
I guess you're still looking for the real thing then. I found it. Which is why you had to come to me. I didn't seek you out, you came here. I think somewhere deep down you know we're right. That's why you came to an atheist site.
When I have a problem that I can't handle I ask people for help. You'd be amazed at how often I get results. When I tried praying as a kid, nothing ever happened. I still had to ask other people in order to accomplish anything. People help, gods don't.
My hope is that I'll have made a positive impact on those around me. That the kindness and education I gave to others will be given to still others by those I gave them to. That death will be painless as possible and that my friends and family won't let my passing affect them overmuch. I accepted death a long time ago, it gives me no fear. I have come within a hair of death on at least 4 separate occasions. I often wonder how I survived them all. Every day is precious. Live every day as if it will be your last. One day it will be.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
What an awesome statement Vastet. I may have to get that put on in ink...
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god is everyone's Invisible Friend, and you are psychotic to reject His gift of salvation.
I don't expect the result will change. I'll keep posting "blah blah [jesus] blah", and the atheists will keep responding.
I know I've found the Real Thing, because you haven't proven my god isn't Real.
When someone prays and it happens, obviously god has granted his prayer. When it doesn't, obviously the lord had a different plan.
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There are no theists on operating tables.
Vas,
Well, thanks for that. I guess if a guy thinks he's not psychotic that would be a sign he is - (there never has been a wise man that thought he was).
I guess I'm getting down to the real hopes of the atheist (and it HAS taken some time) - not that it's changed over time but it's like panning for lead suggar. So... the humanitarian hopes are in people who die hoping in people who die.... ?
I have hopes for people too - that they share in the eternal life won by the victory of Jesus over Death. Any one that thirsts can come to Him and drink Living Water from the Rock. ANY (free will) THIRST (God - given thing). Any that aren't thirsty,.,,won't come. It won't be pressure hosed in.
Jesus said, "God said, I am the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob." God is not the God of the dead but of the living.
Meph/Fonz,
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There are no theists on operating tables.
Huh? No, hoping for a better future for those who remain and the next generation and taking steps to make it happen.
Except it doesn't work. I know, I tried. If free will and god were truly to exist, there would be proof that god is real and that it was the only god. I can't believe in something when there's no evidence. If I know god is real, then I can choose to put faith in it or not. As long as I don't know, I don't get a choice. I CAN'T believe in something that appears to not exist. So either free will is a lie or god is. Or maybe both.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
הם המשיכו לללא צורך מגיבים לסורקים כאשר זה היה מאוד קל ועדיין...
god (who is real) doesn't give you proof, so as not to violate your free will (which is also real).
בוודאי, הדבר היחיד אסקינג שווה זה היהQuote:
There are no theists on operating tables.