Oklahoma now shakes more vigoriously as prophesy in this weeks sounding call letter,

2. Meteor stones three too Sudan Africa

3. Meteor International space station

4. Earthquakes from Texas too washington .D.C. AND Virginia beach Virginia

5. Hurricane Virginia beach Virginia

6. He now drowns and crushes again many around earth moving again Islands out of their places Rev:6:14

7.  Go to the prophecy and the signs page on the Lords now gathering website there in you can request many proofs for your either being strong enough to stand for satan and respond to them in doubt, or for you too be greater than satan and wake to the WORD AND TRUTH OF THE ONLY GOD... http://www.ncse.com stay from the heathen nations, He now drowns and crushes around the earth for our waking and His Anger and Vengeance Deuteronomy 32:43 ... much respect to all of Gods book of Life all others prepare to burn .... Rev:20:15

It could be argued that most conservative christians are for capitalism, but I have read the bible twice and it seems to propogate socialism. (I'm no bible scholar by any means)

Anyway, it seems to have been written by people who did not work, were down on the rich and were constantly looking for ways to make 2 fish out of one.. as well as garnering a general handout. IMO the bible has been twisted in it's rewritings by authoritative figureheads to actually suppress the masses rather than what was probably it's original intent, to propogate some basic socialism.

Am I reading it wrong? If I am right what does this mean for the conservative christians of today?

Would the jesus thing have any merit if you were god? Would you choose to ambiguosly impregnate a woman and let it be known to only a select group of people that she was going to conceive your son? Then later in his life have him perform miracles but only around certain people so that these miracles could only be passed on by word of mouth? Would you have him die on a cross to and for people who did not even believe he was your son at all? Does any of this make sense?

Here is how I would do it.

First off I am god and created man from dust so I would simply have him appear and float down from the heavens for all to behold. He would walk among men performing miracles in every country with santa clause like power. He would not need to die on a cross this is an abhorrent idea because jesus was not only the son but myself incarnate. I have no such weakness as "death". My son would roam the land spreading the good word, bullet .. I mean spear proof and answerable to no man. I would possibly allow my closest disciples to write a text but this text would be short and to the point and not a real guideline for anything other than my 10 commandments (which would certainly be different than our current list). My son would eventually ascend back into the heavens to reappear once each generation to remind the people that I am watching.

So how would you do it?

Hi All,

This conversation from another thread was the catalist for the idea:

Liar!

I have read a lot of posts now, and Jean is very fun to read. He has on several occasions made reference to a being I can not believe in. He more implies this, rather than flat out states it.

Jean keeps refering to his "mother in law". This implies he has a wife!

No way. I demand proof of the existence of this supposedly "sentient" being that married Jean. Burden of proof on him.

Just to be clear, I kid. This is was an attempt at hyperbole irony. I look forward to Jean explaining the absurdity of my humor and teaching me what my humor really means. (satire sarcasm?)

Semi seriously? I think Jean is an intentional provoker, and likes to get people thinking. I would not like to guess if he were an actual theist or atheist.

Hi again,

I haven’t posted here in many months but have still been following most of the threads - trying to understand more of the ideas floating around. In my previous thread >> http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/27471 (from a LONG time ago).  I think we came to somewhat of an agreement that in the case of my particular theistic belief (which I would roughly describe as Fundamental Reformed Calvinist Evangelical Christianity)

1)      That my belief in my God could not be dis-proven

2)      That my belief in my God could not be Proven

The main reason given by people for this conclusion was the fact that some aspects of my God claim are simply un-testable by science and will always remain un-testable. It is the same reason the invisible pink unicorn can never be disproven. And, even if a seemingly infinitely powerful being did appear before us claiming to be my God, and was able to demonstrate seemingly impossible ‘miracles’, this would still not PROVE that my God exists –Because it still could be any number of possible alternative explanations – such as it being an advanced alien, with superior technology that is able to do things that we think are impossible based on our current (limited) understanding of physics.   

That being said, My belief in God is fundamentally based on 2 initial premises/axioms: