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It works for me!

 

Faith in Jesus works for me - it's exciting.  I love the Bible and believe all of it - though there is mystery.  There is mystery everywhere though, right?  I am a incredibly happy believer in Jesus.  I'm not a theologian, I just believe in Jesus.

I understand you can't make anybody believe in Jesus and the Bible, and I don't personally try to do that.  But I highly recommend it from my experience with it.  I can't get enough of the Bible or Jesus.  I can't imagine trying to navigate through life without it at this point in my life. 

I don't think Jesus or God is a thing you can prove to somebody.  I heard about it a large percentage of my life and it didn't mean anything to me until a certain point - then that all changed. 

So do you guys think that I'm fooling myself, not really happy, you don't believe me, or do you really think I can't be as happy or enlightened as you - are you evangelistic in that sense or what?  What is the purpose of this site?   Do you have something better to offer?  If so, what is your gospel? 

 


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Looks like Fonzie is actually getting dumber. If he keeps it up, he might actually beat Brian in sheer stupidity. Ah what am I saying, he doesn't post often enough to ever match Brian's stupidity.
You are as dumb as Brian, since you both deny jesus (Rock + Lamb), with absolute certainty that you don't have.  In fact, you are dumber, since you claim to be wise.

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A SURE BET FOR FAILURE

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Vas,

It's not much of a conversation, no?  

anyway, believing in Jesus still works for me and I recommend it  

there is great strength and great joy in the Living Presence of God in Christ 

we who are in Christ face life with Live Help in real time 

and the Word of God is in perfect sync

"knowing Christ" - dynamite motivation for Paul the apostle

and we experience the same Power at work within us

the Power that raised Jesus from the dead is lifting us

the gospel solves the main problem - sin

and the Only One Who can solve the problem 

is the Creator Himself

if you could sin and have peace and joy

you would contradict the Word of God - but no

God Created light - and darkness

if you sin - sin pays a good wage - no union needed

there is time to submit to God rather than strive with your Maker

don't strive - you'll lose

 

 

 

 


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Fonzie wrote:It's not much

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It's not much of a conversation, no?  

It never is with trolls and theists.

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anyway, believing in Jesus still works for me and I recommend it  

Awesome how we're on the 96th page, with each of the previous pages consisting of 50 posts, and you're still stuck at the original post that at least 2 dozen people refuted by 90 odd pages ago.

It doesn't work for you. You just think it does. Or you would, except you're lying.

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It's not much of a conversation, no?  
It never is with trolls and theists.
It is always a good conversation wth god (Rock), but you have to be willing to listen.

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Awesome how we're on the 96th page, with each of the previous pages consisting of 50 posts, and you're still stuck at the original post that at least 2 dozen people refuted by 90 odd pages ago. It doesn't work for you. You just think it does. Or you would, except you're lying.
know jesus (Light) works for me, because christ (Water) is the source of all Knowledge.  Ten thousand Philistines could not defeat Samson, so 2 dozen atheists are no match for the Strength of the Lord (Lamb).

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NO PICK GUN OR BUMP KEY CAN OPEN THIS LOCK - BUT...

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It's not much of a conversation, no?  
It never is with trolls and theists.
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anyway, believing in Jesus still works for me and I recommend it  
Awesome how we're on the 96th page, with each of the previous pages consisting of 50 posts, and you're still stuck at the original post that at least 2 dozen people refuted by 90 odd pages ago. It doesn't work for you. You just think it does. Or you would, except you're lying.

 

Vas,

It's interesting that you can't understand the mystery of the gospel

it demonstrates the Truth stated - to the unspiritual man the Cross of Christ is foolishness

to us who are being saved it is the Wisdom and Power of God for salvation

that which mankind couldn't understand before has now been revealed

through the Spirit of Christ

how can a man know his own thoughts - except in his spirit

how can a man know the Thoughts of God - except through the Spirit of God

if you went through the Door you could understand the Power of God in Christ

but through unbelief you are prevented from entering

you can't pick this lock even with a pick gun

believe in Christ and you can enter and be saved

 

 

 

 

 

 


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It's interesting that you can't understand the mystery of the gospel

It's much more interesting you think there's a mystery when there isn't.

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blah blah blah

The bible is lies. Only science can give you truth. Embrace the light of reason and turn your back on the darkness of ignorance while you still can.

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It's much more interesting you think there's a mystery when there isn't.
The atheist thinks he can solve any mystery with evolution, but he is nly replacing one mystery with a bigger mystery.

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The bible is lies. Only science can give you truth.
True science is the study of god's (Bread's) creation, not the denial of it, so the bible is the best science book.

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Embrace the light of reason and turn your back on the darkness of ignorance while you still can.
I embrace the Light (Water) of christ (Lamb), and the darkness of ignorance is extinguished by the Knowledge of his Word (Rock).

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THE GOOD SCIENTIFIC SHIP LOLLYPOP

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It's interesting that you can't understand the mystery of the gospel
It's much more interesting you think there's a mystery when there isn't.
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blah blah blah
The bible is lies. Only science can give you truth. Embrace the light of reason and turn your back on the darkness of ignorance while you still can.

 

 

Vas,

You illustrate the uncertainty of the scientific route - trying to discover the undiscoverable thoughts of God 

you can't find the thoughts of God by pursuing them with science and reason as gods

They are Revealed by the Spirit of God, locked up tight, out of range to one who doesn't believe in Christ

who disdains the Door to the sheepfold

and says he "sees" - he can't say what

and "knows"... and "has said"... when he doesn't... and hasn't...

who can't be awakened...he only pretends to sleep

(pride does have its price - how much pride can one afford)

how much emptiness can one bring to the table - claiming he feasts

how long sailing with no cargo or rudder - ablowing his sails with bated breath

talk about good imagination - it's a "life simulator" voyage...not real

it's faith in scientific bubbles - without substance

and unreasonable reason - yet touchy touchy is "captain reasoner"  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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You illustrate the uncertainty of the scientific route - trying to discover the undiscoverable thoughts of God

You illustrate the uncertainty of the religious route, trying not to discover the discoverable secrets of the universe as you hide your head in the sand. You lie and prattle on about nothing when everything is in reach. I'd pray for you if it would accomplish anything. Instead I'll think for you and those like you, since you're obviously incapable of it yourself.

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You illustrate the uncertainty of the religious route, trying not to discover the discoverable secrets of the universe as you hide your head in the sand.
There is nothing uncertain about the route through the wilderness that jesus (Rock) has made for us.  You can only discover the secrets of the universe through the one who created it then died and resurrected for it.  I do not hide my head in the sand, but in the bosom of the Lord (Bread).

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I'd pray for you if it would accomplish anything. Instead I'll think for you and those like you, since you're obviously incapable of it yourself.
What has your thinking accomplished for you, except to move you further away from christ (Water)?

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THE EMPTINESS OF CELEBRATING A FAITHLESS VOID OF UNCERTAINTY

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You illustrate the uncertainty of the scientific route - trying to discover the undiscoverable thoughts of God
You illustrate the uncertainty of the religious route, trying not to discover the discoverable secrets of the universe as you hide your head in the sand. You lie and prattle on about nothing when everything is in reach. I'd pray for you if it would accomplish anything. Instead I'll think for you and those like you, since you're obviously incapable of it yourself.

 

 

Vas,

you illustrate the appearance of life: walking, chomping, writing

stringing line to line and word to word

but with nothing to say - eminating from nothing to know 

an "appearance of life" that won't stand  close scrutiny

said appearance remaining unacknowledged to said object's loss

a life untethered with faith - unconnected

not "knowing" any person or "knowing" any thing really

we know that we are of God

and the whole world is in the power of the evil one

and we know that the Son of God

has come and has given us understanding

to know Him Who is True

and we are in Him Who is True

in His Son Jesus Christ

this is the True God and eternal life

the idol is a fake Elvis 

nothin' but a hound dog

chompin all the time

 

 

 

 

 

 


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You write many words but they contain no substance at all.

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christ (Light) is the True Word (Bread), and he has all the Substance (Lamb).


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You write many words but they contain no substance at all.

 

 

 

Vas,

It's interesting you would bring up the subject of "substance"

I don't think you would know substance if you tripped over it

or it busted through that window behind you

"chomp, chomp, chomp" - now that's substance isn't it

I'm talking to you about spiritual things but you're not getting it

you're at the carnival

and, besides that - you aren't interested I know that

but you are in the dark about this subject of substance

substance is there but you don't know it - you stumble over it

you don't know what it is or what you're stumbling over

thus all your answers are phoned in - no substance whatever

you don't know how to answer because you don't get it

you don't get it because you don't want it

you won't even knock on the door of faith in God in Jesus Christ

you can't be awakened as I said because you only pretend to be asleep

in Canadian pride, "chomp....zz"

 

 

 

 

 


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One giant projection.

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One giant projection.

 

 

Vas,

that's a non answer

I can understand why you have nothing

and admittedly know nothing for sure

you yourself believe in nothing - science, yourself, a vapor

and you have come up with nothing

it's probably embarassing 

you hesitate to say even what you might think you know

for fear it may be treated with your brand of disdain and cynicism 

what do we know but by faith in something, somebody, even...yourself

but the ox and ass knows his master

and I know my Master - in Christ, through faith

I have found the Word of God to be Solid Rock

I can trust and stand on IT

with no bouncy bouncy 

it Reflects AND Projects light - to and through

you're in the Book Vas - like it or not

it's just a matter of bookmarking your spot

choose your choice - Life in Christ Who died for you

or refuse the Water of Life,  stay thirsty

and tell yourself you like it

tell yourself the thirsty lie 

keep yourself projected and rejected

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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If you want an answer you'll

If you want an answer you'll have to ask a question. If you want an answer to any question you've yet asked you'll have to review this topic because I'm not going to repeat myself unless I'm in the mood to, which is extraordinarily rare.

The rest of your post is your standard lies and projections.

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It as still quite easy...

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jesus (Lamb) has all the answers, while you have none.

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If you want an answer to any question you've yet asked you'll have to review this topic because I'm not going to repeat myself unless I'm in the mood to, which is extraordinarily rare.
You've been repeating yourself with the same atheist non-substance since the topic started.  The only thing extraordinarily rare is any atheist substance, while the TRUTH (christ) is extraordinarily everywhere.

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That is a lie, and projection.

 

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QUESTIONS FOR THE VAS-TER...

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If you want an answer you'll have to ask a question. If you want an answer to any question you've yet asked you'll have to review this topic because I'm not going to repeat myself unless I'm in the mood to, which is extraordinarily rare. The rest of your post is your standard lies and projections.

 

 

Vas,

ok, why don't you leave simpleness and live?

why do you kick against the goads?

why do you choose death rather than Life?

aren't you moved by God sending His Son to die for your sins?

do you believe He was Raised from the dead for your Salvation?

do you believe He is Alive now and living in His people?

why don't you go through the Door and find rest and peace?

why will you still be smitten that you continue to rebel?

why don't you have the courage to be honest with yourself about the way things are?

if you don't know anything for sure isn't it obvious you are on the wrong road?

are you afraid of considering the Plan of God you have railed so much against?

why don't you build on the Rock so things won't move when the storm comes?

do you realize you're running out of time figuring out the universe and your part in it?

what better focus have you found than God and His Word?

if you could admit you're wrong would you have the courage to repent?

are you alergic to the knowledge you think you have - the knowledge causing you to swell with pride?

are atheists you know going the direction you want to go?

what lie that you've heard are you totally sure of without any doubt?

how have you arrived at that certainty?

is this the first thing you're certain about - that I'm wrong in Christ and in God?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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why do you kick against the goads?

why do you choose death rather than Life?

All questions you should answer. In fact, you should ask yourself all of the questions.

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All questions you should answer. In fact, you should ask yourself all of the questions.
All my questions have been asked and answered in the Light (Word) of the jesus (Water).

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Fiction doesn't move me. Only writers, actors, and retards build their lives on fiction.
Fiction moves nothing, but Faith in the Living god (Bread) can move mountains. Atheist retards build their lives (and death) on evolution.  I have built my Life on the Rock of Truth in christ.  

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WHAT VAS DOESN'T KNOW - by Vastet

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All questions you should answer. In fact, you should ask yourself all of the questions.
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aren't you moved by God sending His Son to die for your sins?
Fiction doesn't move me. Only writers, actors, and retards build their lives on fiction.

 

Vas,

I HAVE left simpleness and I DO live in Christ - "life abundantly" "life indeed".  I DID kick against the goads - but I repented - it's night and day better now.  I HAVE chosen LIFE in Christ over walking dead in sin... then the "second death".  I HAVE ask myself all these questions.  I AM moved by Jesus' dying for my sin...and strengthened - encouraged: by His Rising from the dead to an INDESTRUCTIBLE LIFE.  He abides in me and I make it my aim to focus on and abide in Him.  

I have been "born anew" into Him and given the gift of The Holy Spirit that enables me to understand the Word of God - something you can't do unless you go "through the door" and receive the "gift of The Holy Spirit" - then you can understand spiritual things.  Instead of being "in Christ" it may be you are "in the devil" (he goes around seeking who he can devour, you may have been lunch).  You'll have to "cry out to God" to save you.  The Word of God says you can't save yourself.  In the Word of God He also invites you to "Come to the Waters - all that are thirsty".  You're invited to leave the bars of the world that don't satisfy...and belly up to the Real Bar.  

As far as your assessment of "fact and fiction" - it's another chapter in your book: WHAT VAS DOESN'T KNOW BUT PROCLAIMS WITH ARROGANCE.

 

 

 

 


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The atheist has no truth of his own to provide, so can only label the TRUTH (christ) as "all lies".

But I blah blah blah Christ blah blah blah blah LIFE blah Christ blah blah blah blah Jesus blah blah blah blah Holy Spirit blah blah blah blah Word of God blah Water blah blah blah blah Gospel blah Bread

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THE NO FAITH HOPE OF VAS AND THE ATHEIST TRAIN WRECK

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All lies.

 

 

Vas,

You have correctly been totally silent on saying anything ANYTHING you know for sure.  You don't believe in God, Jesus and the Word of God.  

So, logically, you don't KNOW what is a lie versus what is Truth.  That goes with your position.  You have no Reference, no Standard.  

So, I guess the "hope" you have is that the Gospel - that Jesus is the Son of God, has died for the sin of all who believe in Him, Risen from the dead, living in those who have been "born anew", given the gift of The Holy Spirit to those "born anew" - born into Him...

...I guess that logically leaves you with the simple "hope" that is "all lies" - a pretty sorry hope Vas.  You can have it.  

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Fonzie wrote:
You have correctly been totally silent on saying anything ANYTHING you know for sure.

Blatant lie.

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You don't believe in God, Jesus and the Word of God.

Because they don't exist. Much like your IQ. It just isn't there.

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So, logically, you don't KNOW what is a lie versus what is Truth.

No actually YOU don't know what truth is, nor logic. It is amusing watching you make shit up and call it logic though.

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That goes with your position. You have no Reference, no Standard.

Ridiculous.

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So, I guess the 'hope' you have is that the Gospel - that Jesus is the Son of God, has died for the sin of all who believe in Him, Risen from the dead, living in those who have been "born anew, given the gift of The Holy Spirit to those born anew - born into Him...

Nonsensical.

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...I guess that logically leaves you with the simple "hope" that is "all lies" - a pretty sorry hope Vas.

It would be if it were true. But you're describing yourself here.

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You can have it.

No I can't, it doesn't exist.

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You can choke yourself on a foot powered lathe if you work at it...as you seem to be

You are quite good at describing the misery and squallor you live in. Not so good at coming into the light of reason and leaving the misery and squallor behind.

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THE HOT ROD LINCOLN IN THE WOODS AND VAS'S DREAM VACATION

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You have correctly been totally silent on saying anything ANYTHING you know for sure.
Blatant lie.
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You don't believe in God, Jesus and the Word of God.
Because they don't exist. Much like your IQ. It just isn't there.
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So, logically, you don't KNOW what is a lie versus what is Truth.
No actually YOU don't know what truth is, nor logic. It is amusing watching you make shit up and call it logic though.
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That goes with your position. You have no Reference, no Standard.
Ridiculous.
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So, I guess the 'hope' you have is that the Gospel - that Jesus is the Son of God, has died for the sin of all who believe in Him, Risen from the dead, living in those who have been "born anew, given the gift of The Holy Spirit to those born anew - born into Him...
Nonsensical.
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...I guess that logically leaves you with the simple "hope" that is "all lies" - a pretty sorry hope Vas.
It would be if it were true. But you're describing yourself here.
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You can have it.
No I can't, it doesn't exist.
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You can choke yourself on a foot powered lathe if you work at it...as you seem to be
You are quite good at describing the misery and squallor you live in. Not so good at coming into the light of reason and leaving the misery and squallor behind.

 

 

Vas,

I have to admit you gave a much more elaborate pseudo NON-answer containing absolutely no reason behind your statements, no description of your wonderful world - the sense of it, reason for hope or why we are here - why we should work to excell to what end, help who, what help is, or why...what I've come to expect from atheists.

As I have been saying - atheism is a blind faith in nothingness supported by nothing with nothing.  The ground you have captured and hold is not even the "rose garden" - and your "press conference" consists of grandiose statements from the prompter suspended on fresh air by those blowing the air and hoping for more "blowers" (only it's not fresh - and it's the LORD'S AIR BTW).  

You excell only at the personal attack which you hope serves as a loud colorful distraction from your empty bunker.  Why don't we get a tour of the bunker? 

In contrast I have presented the Gospel of Salvation in Jesus Christ - the LAMB of GOD sacrificed for all the sins of mankind of all time for all those who are thirsty and weary of the non - satisfaction of the bars of the world (of which you are a bartender) serving ptomaine to anybody who will drink up your empty faith and doctrine of demons doomed to destruction then with the knowledge they have insolently rejected the FOUNTAIN OF LIVING WATER and the GIFT OF GOD, the Cup of His Mercy in Christ. He LIVES now in His people, those "born anew" into Him, rescued from being instead "in Satan" - "Satan's lunch" - by the same POWER of GOD which Raised Jesus from the dead.

If you aren't living in the misery and squallor you mention and try to foist on me - why don't you describe said bliss in living color and the reasons supporting it?  Don't just say, "you're crazy" (that doesn't cure me or bring me in off the water) - but describe your many splendored "hall of sanity" and light those halls to the heights and depths with insightful answers.  Don't just attack - give your victory parade and show us the spoils.  Don't just say, "oh, you wouldn't understand of course" - surely somebody would!  As I think "somebody does" understand it - and how you don't have it!  It's not rocket science.  

You have learned the atheist "tap dance" but haven't even hummed the music for all your frantic gestures.  It's obvious you are as if in a old junk car in the woods making engine sounds radio playing (in your head) acting as if you're traveling somewhere and inviting us to get in and go with you on your dream vacation to nowhere.  I pass.  You will too - crazy drunk driving that, "Hot, Rod, LINCOLN"! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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I have to admit you gave a much more elaborate pseudo NON-answer containing absolutely no reason behind your statements, no description of your wonderful world - the sense of it, reason for hope or why we are here - why we should work to excell to what end, help who, what help is, or why...what I've come to expect from atheists.

That's a lie, not an admission. I suggest you get a dictionary, because you don't have the slightest idea what words actually mean.

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As I have been saying - atheism is a blind faith in nothingness supported by nothing with nothing.

No that's religion. Atheism has nothing to do with faith.

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The ground you have captured and hold is not even the "rose garden" - and your "press conference" consists of grandiose statements from the prompter suspended on fresh air by those blowing the air and hoping for more "blowers" (only it's not fresh - and it's the LORD'S AIR BTW).  

Lies and projections.

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You excell only at the personal attack which you hope serves as a loud colorful distraction from your empty bunker.  Why don't we get a tour of the bunker? 

Projection.

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blah blah blah

This is pretty much exactly what you're saying, and all you've ever said..

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Atheism has to do with faith in Nothing.

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This is pretty much exactly what you're saying, and all you've ever said..

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Vastet wrote:
Fonzie wrote:
I have to admit you gave a much more elaborate pseudo NON-answer containing absolutely no reason behind your statements, no description of your wonderful world - the sense of it, reason for hope or why we are here - why we should work to excell to what end, help who, what help is, or why...what I've come to expect from atheists.
That's a lie, not an admission. I suggest you get a dictionary, because you don't have the slightest idea what words actually mean.
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As I have been saying - atheism is a blind faith in nothingness supported by nothing with nothing.
No that's religion. Atheism has nothing to do with faith.
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The ground you have captured and hold is not even the "rose garden" - and your "press conference" consists of grandiose statements from the prompter suspended on fresh air by those blowing the air and hoping for more "blowers" (only it's not fresh - and it's the LORD'S AIR BTW).  
Lies and projections.
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You excell only at the personal attack which you hope serves as a loud colorful distraction from your empty bunker.  Why don't we get a tour of the bunker? 
Projection.
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blah blah blah
This is pretty much exactly what you're saying, and all you've ever said..

 

Vas,

You really overwork that "projection" thing - as if you're a movie maker (you having the leading role).

The way I understand your position from posts back when you weren't just "phoning it in" is: you think science is filling in all the gaps and there is no need for God - which is convenient for you since you don't believe there is a Living and All-Knowing God, a Designer, a Creator or a Savior.  

But when I ask a form of, "What is truth"?, "Where did we come from"?, "Where are we destined to go"? you are faced with the gaps science can't bridge and you simply dismiss the question not with reason but with attitude.  I think you want to argue from the back door emotional realm but not through the front door of reason - and definitely not on the table of application to ordinary life.  In your virtual world everything is virtual, projection, virtual answers, virtual attitude, virtual decrees thrown from Vasland  like firebrands - as if you discovered virtual fire yourself offered expecting all to accept as real.

Still, though, you make statements as if you know certain things to be true - yet you don't support them with any reason.  I guess you expect your attitude to be accepted as truth because it is so real to you though you can't give the reasons WHY it is real to you or why it should be accepted.  If you have bridged the gap and found truth - I'm sure others would be interested in how you made your discovery.

In contrast, if the Bible is True (Which It Is BTW) - everything falls into place.  Jesus is the Way, Truth and the Life.  The questions of "origin" "destination" and "love" are revealed for all who labor and are heavy laden under the weight of sin, for all who are thirsty, "whosoever will" can and is invited to come and drink the Waters of Eternal Life freely offered in the year of the LORD'S favor.  

Go through the Door of Jesus Christ and make The LORD your Shepherd.  He died for your sins (for all those who believe in Him) and God Raised Him to an Indestructable Life.  He will abide with you and help you in real time if you cry out to Him for mercy - He won't let you down like all the false gods (yourself, science, men, evil spirits, money).  If you refuse the Lamb of God Who takes away the sins of the world you are a judge to yourself as being unworthy of the Gift of God.  

 

 

 

 

  


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You really overwork that "projection" thing - as if you're a movie maker (you having the leading role).

You keep talking to yourself...

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jesus (Lamb) keeps trying to talk to you, but you refuse to listen.  

Also...god blah blah, Bible blah blah, Truth blah blah, Water blah blah, Life blah blah, etc....

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Di66en6ion wrote:

 So basically from these six pages of complete dodging by Fonzie the only thing that is pretty clear is that he's a monument to confirmation bias.

 

Fonzie, you're incapable of critical thinking and have admitted it on several occasions by saying you either don't understand or that something is god's will. I have to admit I chuckled a little when you said the scripture flows perfectly with your life etc... but then stated that it must have been part of god's plan for a bear to kill someone. You'd rather admit fault in your understanding of scripture/god than ever question the motives and reasoning behind why you can't question those motives (oh yeah, that's right, it's built right into your religion, a self-sustaining, self-fulfilling prophecy of ignorance). The problem with your system of beliefs is there is no reality check in place. You can never go too far or too low in the interpretations of a book as ambiguous as the bible. I've seen you completely dodge some of the most direct questions to only respond with a bible passage or a terrible analogy. Your mind is so clearly incapable of conceiving of anything exterior to Jesus I almost wanted to call a 'Poe' several times while reading all the comments.

 

You say you have proven it to yourself beyond a doubt that Jesus/god exists but still discredit all other religious followers who give the same arguments as you have? The brain activity you exhibit during your prayer or experience with god/jesus is no different than someone of Islam or Buddhism or an atheist who meditates for that matter. The context with which you frame your presuppositions are the only thing that differs.

 

The inherent error in the majority of your "arguments" is that we have to believe (have "faith" ) in order to believe. In this respect your beliefs are absolutely no different than any other superstition. You want us to consciously look for any small pattern, no matter how small/stupid/ignorant/mundane, to affirm a belief in something even more asinine. You want us to throw logic and reasoning out the window for a petty emotional-based system that makes links between things that have none. You have nothing but unfalsifiable dribble to peddle and not a shred of evidence but your own personal experiences. Guess what, there are a few billion other people out there that have completely different personal experiences, your set of Christian beliefs are in the minority, who are we to believe? You are effectively asking a person who knows how a specific magic trick is done to forget how it's done and be mesmerized by it for the rest of his life.

 

What is your reason for not living if god does not exist? (Don't give me the "I can't imagine the world existing without god so I can't answer" BS either)

 

 

 

 

 

Di66en6ion -

What is it that you "know" that doesn't have to do with your faith in something or somebody - including yourself.

The thing is, you need to be fully convinced in your own mind what's true and right - otherwise you're living in doubt about everything you're doing.

I don't know what you or any other atheist is fully convinced about - the atheists haven't been very forthcoming on that subject.  

I'm fully convinced the Bible is True - Jesus is the Truth, Life and The Way.  I haven't had to abandon that - it has grown stronger and clearer.

Nothing you or any other atheist has said has made a dent in that Fact.

For all of your disdain of the Scriptures you haven't come out with anything YOU are sure of, have faith in, or can reasonably describe.

And, I might add - you atheists are touchy about the fact that you don't know anything for sure - you are a rudderless and anchorless bunch in the sea of life.

And you bring out empty statements and try to act as if you've produced a dissertation of the universe.   

Your argument would have more punch if you actually had an argument.  

Your truth would enlighten us all if you had any truth.  

We have seen the snarky approach (there's a thing to excell at in life), the mockery (distraction?), the blasphemy of God and Scripture (of what is not known or understood).

I'm left to assume that's all there is - i.e., nothing there - and no atheist honest enough to admit it.   

 

 


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