The great big thread of Nony vs. Israel
Offline For those who read my recommendations of The Jerusalem Post and Haaretz this is old news. For those who have better things to do with their time, such as forming opinion absent knowledge of the subject, the last week has become an admission of the obvious.
The one thing that was the unmentionable 800 lb gorilla in the room for months started being mentioned as an aside about a week ago by both the US and Israel. On Thursday in Israel the PM's Office said that when he spoke to the UN Netanyahu would address both the desire for peaceful negotiations and the 800 lb gorilla.
The gorilla is the fact that a state of Palestine can and presumably will take Israel before the ICJ, the International Court of Justice, for war crimes related to the occupation. Elvis has entered the building! Israelis have no defense. They are guilty as charged.
The gorilla is in the open. Izziehuggers take to the hills. Israel has routed your defense of Israel.
www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/netanyahu-israel-will-agree-to-upgrade-of-palestinian-status-not-statehood-1.384716
Netanyahu told his interlocutors that granting the PA the status of a state would allow the Palestinians to go to the International Criminal Court in The Hague over issues like settlement construction. "But as long as it is less than a state, I'm ready to talk about it," a source familiar with the conversation quoted him as saying.
It is an admission of war crimes plain and simple.
Please folks, stop telling me I do not know what is going on but you do. Anyone who follows events in Israel would never have questioned Israel's war crimes.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
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Which implies the elected government officials of Palestine have said that which is another lie from another fake atheist. Why do you have nothing but lies?
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I have condemned jewish tryanny and jewish war crimes. End the criminal occupation and stop lying that there are two occupiers. There are only jewish war criminals in this matter. There are over a half million of them actually living in occupied territory so they have no legal defense.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
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Jews are the sole cause of Palestinian suffering. Jews are only suffering the consequences of their crimes -- may they suffer enough to cease their crimes.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
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Yes humans do commit war crimes. Jews are committing war crimes. Jews are committing the crimes. Jews need to stop committing these crimes.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
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Red herring. Palestine has a functioning democracy.
Red herring. Regardless of their form of government it cannot be worse than ruthless jewish tyranny.
Fact. You are justifying jewish war crimes based upon a LIE about their possible future government.
Fact. You are supporting jewish theft of land, water, natural resources, human dignity.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
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If you are not a Jew why would you care about the use of a jewish religious symbol? Fake atheist. Real Jew. You can't even claim to be a fake atheist Jew now.
Just today Haaretz carries and op-ed piece on Israel's theocratic basis for setting the end of daylight savings time and compares it to Iran's Islam basis for setting its end.
Israel justifies is war crimes on religious grounds AS YOU KNOW.
Palestine has a secular government AS YOU KNOW.
Your rant it completely out of touch with reality.
You are such an impassioned fake atheist you can't hide your love of your fellow Jews no matter how despicable their crimes.
After being able to produce evidence for that lie you continue to repeat that lie. Why is it your only defense of your fellow Jew to lie?
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
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If you are unable to follow the discussion why do you pretend to participate?
If you don't three threads stuffed into one tell it to the PTB. I ain't one of them.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
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When you get enough experience in this world you will learn that idiocy is equally distributed across the ranks and the professions.
I still have no idea who that Coyne fellow is.
For a fact Einstein made no explicit and comprehensive statement regarding his opinion of religion nor of what he regarded himself to be. So unless you have discover some hitherto unknown document by Einstein on the subject upon what do you base the implication that his position is different from mine? Please be specific in your response.
No it is not. I gave what I believe to be a correct description. I did not expect you to like it.
You can however present evidence which is contrary to what I have said. Evidence does not consist of non-specific appeals to anonymous authority. All appeals to even specific authorities are logical fallacies but you know that.
The same place the Bar Mitzvah is not mentioned.
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You gave no definition of culture at all. Epic, epic fail.
You're lucky I have a logarithmic credibility scale that doesn't actually get down to zero, just arbitrarily close to it. I would give you a score of roughly about -5 bits (about -15dB), which works out to 0.03125 on a linear scale, or 0.0303 on a probabilistic scale (i.e. about 3% useful information, about 97% BS). Just barely worth keeping an eye on, but not really to bother with.
For reference, the average person would get a score of 0 bits (or 0dB) just for showing up, which maps to 1 on a linear scale (from 0 to inf.), and 0.5 on a probability scale (from 0 to 1). About 50% useful information, 50% BS.
I'd say you lost 2 or 3 bits of credibility in this thread, so far. You'd basically have to go all trollish to lose any more in a single thread.
Just FYI. I don't expect you to care, but I'm putting it out there anyway.
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And blowing up busses is not a war crime?
Pot meet kettle.
I am sick of your black and white thinking. I think you need to ask Beyond Saving to marry you. His economic views are just as pathetically black and white as you with your "us vs them" crap.
There IS NO conspiracy going on here. There is merely mundane and unfortunate human psychology and human behavior ON BOTH SIDES going on here.
The ONLY solution to solve this for you AND THEM to get your fucking heads out of your asses and stop treating the other as sub human.
Your pathetic Stockholm syndrome is making my dick itch as much as Israel makes my dick itch with their "chosen people" land grabs.
You and Israel are like a married couple where the cops show up for a domestic violence call where both are bloody but never leave each other. Seriously, both sides are FUCKED IN THE HEAD
"Poor me" yea, they say that too. Cry me a fucking river.
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ONE LAST TIME Noony,
I WANT TO SUPPORT ANYONE who values secular pluralism. BUT that is not what Palestine would set up if given it's own state.
NOW you get me a public statement from the Palestinian rulers that says the following.
1. We will not base our government on Islamic law.
2. We will protect dissent and minorities under our new government and they will be allowed to compete for public office.
IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF, you can get them to do that, then you will have my support.
But, merely setting up a democracy does not constitute protection of minorities or dissent, it merely means you have set up mob rule by vote.
Now, if you value the same then what you need to work on is getting those who value the above into the majority in power. THAT is how you can help right now.
Bitching rightfully about the wrong Israel does will not help you reach the above goals. Reaching the above goals WOULD completely take the wind out of the sales of Israel, which I would hope is what you want.
Instead you are allowing them to poke you like the the bully in the playground giving them the very excuse they need to continue their bullying.
Ride the Palestinian powers of their Islamic theocrats and I will fully support Palestine. But right now, fuck no. That would be like asking me to support Iran merely because it has already been established.
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Nope - just that there are criminal bastards on both sides. You're the one that made the separation. I said that they were the same race of people - remember?
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Not according to the fourth Geneva Convention AS YOU KNOW.
You KNOW the buses are used by IDF to move troops. You KNOW that makes them military assets and therefore lawful targets.
You KNOW the presence of a member of the IDF on a bus on or off duty, active or reserve makes the bus a lawful target.
You KNOW these things. Why do you post such as question when you KNOW it is LAWFUL to blow up buses? You KNOW it is lawful to attack members of the military when they are hiding among the civilian population. You KNOW it is NOT a war crime but a lawful act of resistance to criminal occupation. Why do you ask such a question?
Why do you keep posting things you KNOW are nonsense?
Are you claiming you are ignorant of the subject? Do you have an excuse for posting like an ignorant person?
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
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Keep in mind that the occupied people have the same moral authority as the Allies when the fire bombed Dresden and nuked Hiroshima. The aggressor has no protections in existing international law. In international law it is not moral authority but a legally protected right to level Tel Aviv. As that is a legally protected right anything short of that is not worth questioning.
As I have noted it is only the ability of Palestine to refer Israeli crimes to the ICC that is behind the campaign against UN recognition of Palestinian statehood. That is the only common thread to the diplomatic defensive against recognition. That is the only credible reason given to oppose an action which has been declared meaningless.
Obviously it is not meaningless.
A half million criminal squatters in occupied Palestine leave no room for other than a summary judgement of guilty and slow executions.
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Nor, when I refer to the sun do I define it. I use the term culture in the accepted sociological and anthropological sense.
If you are claiming ignorance of those meanings it is up to you to repair your ignorance.
I note after your logical fallacies of appealing to several undefined authorities and a specific challenge with regard to Einstein you have failed to reply. I even went to the effort to collect a few Einstein quotes showing he rejected the god of the Jews. It is not credible he considered himself a Jew in any sense. What a waste of 2 minutes google time.
So far you produced not a single thing which can salvage your desperate need for a group identity as a "jew" and just might have to face life on your own as an unaffiliated human being as to most of the people of you world.
As you so desperately cling to a group identity I have no sympathy for your plight as I simply cannot understand it. It has no meaning for me whatsoever in any respect. I cannot comprehend your desperate need for a group identity. I assume you cannot comprehend living without a group identification. Consider it an evolutionary thing.
It would be good of you to start a website describing what is it like to be unable to face the world without a group identity. It must be a crippling, debilitating condition. Perhaps if you told others what it is like you could save some from such a degraded life. Think of others who might escape rather than keeping them bound to your mental defect.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
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A quite poor cop out on starting your own thread.
A passing comment on the falsity of the popular history of WWII was more than adequately addressed with reference to the use of the word enslave and Britain, which had enslaved 1/4 to 1/3 of the world accusing Germany of wanting to do what England had accomplished.
The passing remark on the Polish attack was a trivial concrete example of inventing history. Britain invented the claim that Germany invented it in 1939 but that there was no evidence whatsoever until 1945 and even then it was mere assertion not evidence.
That you wanted to turn that into a post war issue of proportionate response was a clear digression from the question you pretended to raise.
I established the misrepresentation of WWII history which I first stated in the matter of Winston doing what Orwell did during WWII. Ever notice the question is always why he choose the name for the man who was the focus of fifteen minutes of hate? Why does no one ask why the name Winston was chosen instead of Churchill?
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It has always been American policy to support and defend the right of self-determination for all peoples around the world.
That is what America is. That has always been the American ideal. In two world wars that was the rallying cry that lead America into those wars.
How do we Americans explain American ideals since 1776 being subverted to jewish interests?
You defenders of Jewish interests please give other horrible examples of the same thing to show the support of jewish interests is equally horrible. Take all the bandwidth you need to make that ignominious case.
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You re-opened this Nony.
I take it your argument is that Germany was trying to liberate the Indians when Britain viciously attacked them in concert with the entire Polish military forces? No? Why make yourself the butt of ridicule when all you really need to do is come up with credible evidence in response to my specific questions?
I asked you
Bullshit.
My specific question to you was
<<crickets chirping>>
What a glorious red herring at the end. Indeed, why did James Joyce choose Stephen as the forename for Dedalus? It goes to the heart of whether Poland invaded Germany, don't you think?
Any other gems for us Nony, or would you prefer to return to your attic mumbling hatred, supporting killing so long as it is for your side of your rancid divide?
Hi A_Nony_Mouse
I've just had a look through this thread and am amazed by your passion on this topic. I had a look through the introductions trying to find a post where you introduced yourself, just to get some idea of your background, with the hope of understanding a little more about where you are coming from and why you have such passion. Couldn't find anything though - just read your oldest post and it had the same passion as your last. (I'm not stalking you - just interested in your motivation!)
In this last post, you refer to 'we Americans'. Are you an American? From your posts, I had assumed that you might be Palestinian. Can you give me some background as to WHY you are so opposed to the Jews? Have you personally experienced persecution or aggression from Jews? Would you describe yourself as an atheist, a theist or something else?
I don't have any particular views on the middle east. In Australia, people don't identify themselves as 'Jewish' as readily as in America. Not only is the number of Jews in Australia far fewer, but I think there's a greater degree of 'mixing' of cultures and religions. From what I see and read, some people 'label' themselves with their religions in the US - this is quite rare in Australia. As a result, the community generally don't have a great deal to do with the argument. I certainly don't know any Jews - not overt Jews, in any case.
Generally speaking, I'd prefer to see a diplomatic solution to the problem. I don't think violence helps either side's case, and it certainly doesn't help the civilians involved. This is why I'm wondering about the passion in your posts - you don't seem to support a diplomatic solution, even if it was to achieve the aims of the Palestinians. What do you advocate?
Sorry if you've answered all of these questions elsewhere. I recognise that my understanding of this topic is very unsophisticated - I'm just keen to know what fuels your understanding of the topic.
Equally, as your name suggests, if you want to remain anonymous, that's fine too.
Motivation has no bearing upon the facts which are being recited.
You appear to be fluent in English. Therefore you know the meaning of the word "we" and your question is curious.
As I have said in other posts, I am not responsible for idiots. You know the meaning of the word WE yet you pretend to be ignorant of its meaning.
As from that I can proceed with the assumption you are fluent in English I can only assume you are disingenuous.
Because you are fluent in English you KNOW I have only posted against despotic, ruthless, jewish tyranny.
Any implication beyond what I have posted is a deliberate intent to deceive.
If Jews do not which to be viewed as heartless tyrants, thieves, dictators and war criminals they need only stop being those things.
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What you choose to take is your business no matter how stupid. I did not say it. You can only attribute it to me by lying.
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This is one of those fail vortices, where just when you thought the fail was finished, a little more credibility crumbles away into the void of ignorance:
It's the fail that keeps on failing.
Many examples of things that qualify as non-religious Jewish culture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_Jewish_culture
Anthropology Dept. at UFL, offering an entire course on "ANT 3930: Secular Jewish Culture - Jack Kugelmass": http://www.anthro.ufl.edu/courses/10spring.shtml
An example of an anthropology course that defines and studies secular Jewish culture: http://www.ithaca.edu/catalogs/ug1011/hs/anthropology_courses.php
Why do you insist on calling yourself a "retard", Nony? I don't think you're a retard. Not even close. Just badly badly bigoted, and unaware of your unreasonable bias.
Of course! You think I'm claiming he's a religious Jew? Why would I do that?! I pointed to Einstein because he did not believe in god or the Jewish religion. He was an atheist/Spinozan secular Jew. He only distanced himself from being called a 'Jew' because at the time there was no clear understanding of secular Jewishness. If the distinction had been made to him, he may have even endorsed it. Who knows?
The point is that he participated in aspects of Jewish culture that did not revolve around religion at all. That is the point. So, more fail.
In any case, Einstein isn't my first or primary example. Focusing on him is a red herring. He's too ambiguous. There are plenty of Jews alive today who are non-religious, like Einstein was non-religious, and they identify themselves as Jews nonetheless, as I linked to the new study to prove. So Einstein is moot. You need to deal with the study, which is much harder to dismiss (impossible, actually, since it explicitly studied non-religious Jewish identity).
You do realize I'm playing Evidence Chicken with you, right? And so far, you are chicken, chicken, chicken.
Every time you demand evidence, which I then provide, such as the anthropology courses, it just goes to show that you've got less than nothing in response. All you've got is the bluster of a chicken.
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From http://www.secularjewishculture.org/global_secular_judaisms.html :
So, A_Nony, are you a Mouse or a Chicken? Where's your evidence that sociology and anthropology classify Jewish culture as only restricted to the religion of the Torah?
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Ok, that's fine. If you don't want to respond to someone who is merely trying to understand your motivation, that's your right. You are correct - motivation has no bearing on the facts that are being recited. But it certainly helps people understand why you feel the way they do, and keeps them more open-minded about your position.
I would consider motivation to be a filter through which we interpret 'facts'. I would suggest that identifying someone's motivation is very important if you want to rationally consider the 'facts' that are being recited to you, particularly if you are open-minded enough to consider that those 'facts' may have some merit.
I agree the 'we Americans' question looks dumb on reflection. But I was trying to go out of my way not to offend you, if you happened to LIVE in America, but identified more strongly with another background or culture, for example, the Palestinians. As I'm sure you know, not everyone is fond of Americans, and I didn't want to offend unnecessarily by 'labelling' someone. I guess it surprises me that an American has so much sympathy for the Palestinian position (and overt hatred of the Jewish position) when support for Jews in America is so prevalent.
Given you don't want to talk about WHY you hate all Jews, and would rather recite how you view them, I won't bother reading about it anymore. It doesn't bother me.
Thanks for your response, such as it was. Hope I didn't distract you from your sole purpose in life.
The moral authority to kill non-combatants? To destroy targets of no military value? Already knew they had that.
Like I said - criminals on both sides.
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1: Glad you can agree with something.
2: Hitler was elected, in case you were sick that day.
3: So you are incredibly stupid. Good to see it proven.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
You purpose is to claim motivation lessens jewish war crimes. It is nothing new. You are hardly the first person here who has tried it.
Why would it matter? The Arab spring is about ending endogenous tyrannies. This is the longest running exogenous tyranny in the world. It is the only such tyranny my country supports. The US does not sell machetes to the Hutus but it does sell phosphorus shells to Jews.
No one here has challenged the facts as I have recited them. Do you? If so please present any errors you believe you have found in the facts I have recited.
I have had no reluctance to correct the mis-statements of others. Some I have corrected so many times I have begun describing them as lies as it is being done knowingly. Can you not do the same?
How is accurately describing the jewish imitation of Nazi war crimes such as annexing Poland/Jerusalem and settling it's citizens in occupied terrority a hatred of Jews? It is what they are doing. If Jews were a separate race their distinction between the Palestinians and the criminal jewish squatters in the occupied territories would be a crime against humanity under the Apartheid Convention.
The simple fact that Israel is in violation of the majority of the provisions of the 4th Geneva convention is a matter of record. Such violations are considered war crimes. That the 4th was created after WWII to specifically address the actions of Germany during WWII which were not covered by the 5th Hague convention. Violations of Geneva IV are war crimes. Germans were hanged for them at Nuremberg.
Why are you trying to excuse war crimes and crimes against humanity by declaring the perps of Jews?
Thank you for the opportunity to point out your sympathetic support of criminals Jews.
If the Hutus were jewish would you excuse them?
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
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As you KNOW Israel regularly justifies killing civilians when it murders a single suspect. The most famous case in Gaza had an 18 to 1 kill ratio. However Israel was killing a member of the lawful resistance to Israel's criminal occupation as did the Polish and French resistance during WWII. You KNOW this.
You also KNOW that Israel hides its military personnel among its civilian population and the same justification that Israel uses applies EXCEPT as as you KNOW killing military personnel is a lawful activity not a terrorist activity.
You KNOW there is no distinction in international law between on and off duty, active and reserve military personnel. They are all lawful targets.
As to materiel, all I have ever heard of are buses which you KNOW are a military asset.
Why do you keep posting things you KNOW are false? Your posts are indistinguishable from deliberate lies.
If you believe I am in error on the conventions of war please feel free to recite the error with citation from the appropriate treaty. Why not read them for the first time instead of pretending you know that they contain and to which Israel has acceded?
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
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It is amusing you would hold the jewish culture in the US is UNIVERSAL to all Jews in the world.
Or did you not read what you quoted?
And where does it say even that US culture is devoid of connection to religion?
I invite your attention to the following. Note Haaretz is an Israeli newspaper. It is so Jewish it has ZERO non-jewish employees in any capacity including janitorial.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/removing-hypocrisy-1.281846
I further invite your attention to the first paragraph.
Go tell it to the judge.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
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As you KNOW I said Jews were not a single culture independent of religion. You quote which says cultures, plural. Is there anything else?
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
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Netanyahu was elected too. What is the difference?
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
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All these attempts to divert the discussion from its subject are amusing but sort of worthless.
The topic and every page of it quite appropriately opens with Israel's one and only cause to fear a recognized state of Palestine, that it can then appeal to the International Criminal Court regarding the innumerable war crimes jews have committed and are continuing to commit in the occupied territories.
It is further telling there are so many fake atheists here who are really religious Jews. They are only atheist in the sense that they are not Christians or Muslims. We have even had an objection to the government of Israel using a jewish religious symbol. What kind of atheist would give a damn?
We have seen deliberate lies repeated over and over even after not only the error is described but also after knowing there is no basis for the lie. Zionist propaganda is all there is.
We have seen the equivalent of saying the Hutus are really good people who are misunderstood. We have seen it said the only reason to object to the Hutus is to be a Tutsi lover. We have seen Tutsi resistance used to justify Hutu massacres.
What a sad state for atheism when it sides with such criminals.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
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As you well understand, Nony, I attributed nothing explicitly to you, although it appears you are having difficulty with mere irony.
I made the observations that you have yet to come up with credible support for your claims, or to answer my straightforward questions. I observed also upon the nature of web sites which typically support the positions and spurious claims you adopted. Whether they represent your views is for you to say or to deny.
I will not offer you the distraction of new questions.
You have gone off your fucking rocker.
You don't want others to stereotype all Palestinians yet here you are equating all Jews to the KKk.
Godwins law. You sound like every ignorant theist that equates atheists to Stalin and Hitler.
THE PROBLEM isn't that either side is all good or all bad. The problem is that both sides are stuck on labels and the powers that be on both sides are selling fear to keep their support.
Do NOT equate all Jews to the polices of the nation they live in. I am an American but I certainly did not support that fuck wad Bush.
As I said before, I do not equate all Palestinians as being the same as the rulers they live under, I simply do not want their current rulers in power. I am looking at the conflict as the complex issue it is, you are looking at it too fucking simplistically.
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That's why I want to remove both groups of criminals running the show (the Israeli government and Hamas). You seem to like one group over the other because Hamas isn't oppressing the people quite as badly.
End the oppression on both sides.
The only reason you are calling the views opposed to yours "Zionist propaganda" is because they are opposed to you. Sorry to be the one to inform you of this but you're not that important.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
And as you KNOW the shopping malls where the suicide bombers who you KNOW don't identify themselves as suicide bombers (to blend into the population) enter before they blow themselves and others to their respective gods are attacking prime military targets when they enter those malls. You KNOW this, right?
I have never said that you are in error on the conventions of war. I just keep reminding you of the fact that both sides are guilty of them . You just like to forget that there are two sides to a war. You seem to think that this is a war in which only one side is fighting because you don't like the religion of one of the combatants. I don't like the religion of either side.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
That's my point!
*shakes fist*
Always so eager to jump on something. I think you've really overdone it with your emotional investment against the jews. It has blinded you to their diversity and made your strategies intractable, and therefore flawed to widescale acceptance. You have to understand your opposition in multiple facets, and acknowledge diversity of thought or action when exemplified, else your arguments appear weak and naive.
The Germans were able to become a peaceful and industrious people once the threats that allowed Hitler to gain power in the first place were removed. The same can be true for Israel. Give the Palestinians their land, make them accept the reality of Israel by making them PART of Israel, and topple the governments currently in power, occupying the area through the UN until democracy is restored.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Excuse me but what does sand NIGGER imply to you? That is a jewish expression to describe all Arabs. It has been around for decades. I object to it and it is "off your fucking rocker" to object to calling Palestinians sand NIGGERS. Please explain your position in greater detail.
Why is it you do NOT condemn it? Because you are another bigoted Jew pretending to be an atheist.
I condemn racist bigotry and you condemn me for doing so. If you are going to insist upon faking being an atheist at least learn to do a better job of it.
The problem is the JEWISH occupation which is nothing but a 44 year string of war crimes which are worthy of the short rope treatment at Nuremberg. Palestinians do not occupy Israel. Criminal Jews occupy the West Bank and Jerusalem. There are not two sides to murder nor to rape nor to bank robbery. Neither are there two sides here. There is are only the criminal Jews and the Palestinian victims.
There are over 600,000 criminal Jews living in occupied territory. How do you manage to convince yourself that is onlly a matter of labels?
Who is so stupid as to claim criminals who freely admit their crimes is just a matter of labels? Are you?
Why is it improper to equate Jews with a Jewish state? Jews do not disagree that it is a jewish state. The jewish state says it acts for all Jews in the world and I have yet to hear a single jewish objection to that declaration.
You do DELIBERATELY misrepresent their rulers which is a different lie. They are completely secular and you KNOW it. It is the elected leaders of Israel who are the religious fruitcakes and you KNOW that.
It is unclear you KNOWINGLY continue to lie about the Palestinians leaders and refuse to recognize the religious nonsense quotes from Israeli leaders which are not in dispute. Are you afraid to addrss the truth? If so, why?
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
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www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
Why would a Jew like you care about American politics save to subvert it to jewish interests in Israel?
Wjat is going on in Palestine (Israel is in Palestine) is millions of jewish war criminals are trying to avoid justice for their crimes against Palestinians.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
Yes, you are correctly describing military tactics which are lawful under Hague V. What is your point other than proving the attacks are lawful? Covering military insignia until the last instant is a very lawful military tactic. Even Israel agrees the last instant shout of Alluha Akbar is the announcement. That goes beyond the requirements of Hague V which holds the last minute uncovering of military insignia even on a moonless night is lawful in a covert attack. The entire point of a covert attack is NOT to give the enemy a chance to respond. But you SHOULD know that.
Please READ the GD treaties for the first time. Are you afraid of learning?
By all your posts including this one you have demonstrated you are ignorant of the subject. Why else would you raise a lawful surprise attack as an issue? Why would you continue to "accuse" Palestinians of making lawful attacks if you were not abysmally ignorant on the subject? Every post of your on this subject is ignorant. You can correct ignorance if you wish. Why do you not simply RTFT Read The Fine Treaties? They are available in English.
You do not have the least idea what you are talking about. You have never said I am in error because you completely ignorant on the subject.
The Palestinians have NEVER made war on Israel. They have always been a lawful resistance to jewish war criminals.
And in the face of these very trivial examples we have tens of thousands of Palestinians slaughtered by the criminal jewish occupation forces.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
Your questions were did not follow from the premise which was substatiated.
Ignorant questions amuse me not distract me.
The distraction is from the subject of jewish tyranny and the jewish dictatorship and the jewish war crimes.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
More deliberate lies. You KNOW Hamas does not rule Palestine. You KNOW Hamas does not "run the show." In fact you KNOW Israel financed Hamas to get it started as a religious opponent to the SECULAR Palestinian Authority which declared its independence in 1988 and garnered more recognition than Kosovo has today.
Or are you declaring you have absolutely not idea what you are talking about? Or are you declaring you are a sayanim deliberately propagandizing (is Hasbaraizing a word?) that you are shilling for the criminal government of Israel?
You are either a totally ignorant and not very bright Jew or you are shilling for Israel. You should demand a raise in pay because you have to make yourself look like a retard in public.
I called it jewish propaganda. Israelis officially call is Hasbara, a word invented by Goebbels no doubt. Israel's official Hasbara website is a silly as its predecessor communist Hasbara sites.
As to importance I am apparently enough of a thorn in Israel's side for Larry Schiff of the Schiff family of Canada to call my son several times and threaten to kill him if I didn't shut up. A conscientious operator for Bell Canada was good enough to give me the name attached to the number that called even though it was against company rules. People are all kinds of sympathetic when they hear a poor old holocaust survivor's son was called by a Canadian Nazi. It is called digging your own grave.
Back to the subject. The truth is not propaganda. Even you do not challenge the factual nature of my posts. You only continue to repeat lies even though you KNOW you are lying. You really should demand a raise for showing yourself to be a liar in public. Or did you already get it? Is there a bonus system in the Mossad organization that propagandizes for Israel? The articles in Haaretz and the Jerusalem Post about the Mossad's internet propaganda organization were not detailed as to the payment method.
The articles did cover the creation and that "several" hundred were engaged in the pro-Israel propaganda as an undisclosed number being recruited to work for free for the "good of the Jews" even though Israel's actions damns Jews. As reported the propagandists are supposed to pretend to be disinterested in Israel and not reveal they are Jews. You failed miserably in the latter.
You repeat easily discredited lies over and over just like an aluminum siding salesman, right off some primitive Stalinist propaganda list. No matter how many times discredited you are unable to move beyond what has been discredited but rather repeat it over and over like a stuck record. Like the salesman you cannot deviate from the approved sales pitch. You demonstrate none of the flexibilty of a normal human being.
BTW: You can show this to your boss so he sees how this Stalinist propaganda bites you in the ass. I have used these exchanges to exhaust your approved list of responses and to construct answers to them all.
Thank you for playing.
And if you are going to claim I am a conspiracy theorist remember any one can review our exchanges and see you have not responded as a normal person would respond but always trying to claim it was two sided while never presenting any evidence it was ever other than one sided and despite all the presented evidence that it is one-sided. The least you are is a fanatical Jew so maybe you are doing for free what the Mossad might pay you to do.
But as Israeli newspapers have reported their government is paying hundreds of people to do what you are doing it hardly matters if you are not one of them. There are hundreds who are like you and getting paid handsomely to lie for jewish interests in Israel. If you are not being paid you are a sucker.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
Again you lie. I have only posted against tyrants and tyranny. That they happens to be Jews means only Jews have chosen to be tyrants. No one forced them to be despots and war criminals. It was a free choice.
The only issue is to end the occupation by war criminals. War criminals who have personally chosen to be war criminals some even for the basest of motives, quality of life. We have now some 600,000 million Jews who are war criminals without defense and 500,000 of them live in Occupied Palestine. The other 100,000 live in Occupied Syria.
Look at the facts as reported in Israel by Jewish sources even the squatter run news sources. Jewish war crimes in the occupied territories do not significantly differ from Nazi war crimes in occupied Poland. The war criminal squatters put their war crimes on record six days a week and usually cheat on Shabbot to make it seven. Do you need a URL? Why can you not read what they say they do and compare it to Geneva IV?
These publications are signed confessions in any court of law.
It isn't even that hard. Israel provides electric power to Ariel. War crime.
Too hard to evacuate the squatters? Cut off the power and water and let them decide for themselves if they stay or leave. Continue to provide power and water and you are a war criminal as an accomplice to the crime of squatting in occupied territory.
Why is your mind so limited that it is incapable of grasping such obvious things? A century ago you could say a mule kicked you in the head as a child. What is your excuse now?
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
The double standard is so ridiculous.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
It finds yet another Jew to hate to add to it's hatred list. It is sickening. If it helps to feed it's gut wrenching sickness then I too own a yalmaka and talis. Adolph Eikmann woud just love it's ferver.
"Very funny Scotty; now beam down our clothes."
VEGETARIAN: Ancient Hindu word for "lousy hunter"
If man was formed from dirt, why is there still dirt?
One of the rare times I sort of agree with you. I do love these token "peace initiatives".
What you forget is that both sides do them.
Stenger: We want peace. All you have to do is recognize the Israel as the Jewish homeland.
Abbas (and before him Arafat): We want peace. All you have to do is evacuate Jerusalem.
Does either side want peace if they keep adding poison pills?
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
"Again you lie."
Projection.
"I have only posted against tyrants and tyranny."
Blatant lie. You've started a crusade against the jewish identity. You started it years ago, and you're just as ignorant of reality now as you were then.
"The only issue is to end the occupation by war criminals."
No, it isn't the only issue. And until you realise that you will always fail in your attempts to paint the jews with blood, and you will constantly look ridiculous in the process. So far, you've spent 2.5ish years here and sent more than a thousand posts to the que. And you haven't convinced a single person that you are correct. You've run afoul of nearly every rational person on this site, having been refuted by almost everyone who responded to you.
You are quickly approaching absolute irrelevance.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
So you haven't actually read Hague V. What you describe as lawful is not mentioned.
You're a bullshit artist and you're not good at it. You're in error and I'm not ignorant on the subject.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
Bingo, this is what Noony does not get. NOTHING is ever as simple as someone wants to make it out to be.
Which is why, instead of drawing lines in the sand and pointing fingers, I'd suggest he get those on both sides who really want peace, and want the dick measuring contest to stop, he needs to get those people to put pressure on their respective sides. There ARE plenty of Jews and Palestinians who DO want peace. The respective powers right now on both sides don't.
They are like the married couple which both want to be the alpha male and peace will only come if the other submits. That is not peace, that is not cooperation, that is manipulation.
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