robj101 wrote:

jcgadfly wrote:

luca wrote:

Effectively Fonzie's a little sick in his mind. He remembers me not only of meph, but of mind over matter /

YaHuWaH too.

They do have a similar affliction...

Yea the only thing I have gleaned from his rants here is that he can't understand or imagine that we simply don't believe his "god" figure exists outside of himself. He keeps asking what it is we believe in and apparently it has to be some spiritual daddy figure like his own. It can't make sense for him that we do good because we want to live in a cohesive society and we do not need imaginary friends to tell us how to do it. He is typical of most christians but he is on the extreme end in this respect.

rob,

 

The thing I have gleaned from you and other's drive-by firebrands is that you don't make progress beyond your self-described making God out to be nothing in your estimation.  After you describe in many splendored ways that you don't believe in God, big Daddy or whatever - none of you can make any sense about where you're going with this.  You fizzle out. 

I get the idea that the only thing you have been able to find exciting is say you don't believe in God - don't respect God, don't respect the Bible, don't believe in Jesus, and are looking for other things you don't believe in or respect.  But what you are unable to describe beyond that is added proof that you are wrong in the first place - because you can't describe or defend a productive position.  I would think this would be a question to you - about the path you are on to nowhere.

One of the members here says he does a moronic thing called "thinking" - OK, where's the product of that moronic atheist thinking?  Or, if the moronic thing called thinking sees nothing coming together in life except "feeling ok", "feeling happy" which a moron as well as a cow could do - how does a "feel good", "reach out and help somebody" "unbelief" satisfy a thinking mind in a sustained way?  And how does calling vague platitudes answers satisfy the "reason" that serves as the foundation for atheist reality?  I want to hear what substance you atheists have - and not the continued lies about mirage answers that don't exist. 

This thread will never end

I forgot the last time that I posted on this particular thread.

It's been awhile back. I had said that I was done with this particular discussion, but curiousity killed the cat and satisfaction brought him back.

 

Fonzie wrote:

harleysportster wrote:

This thread will never end

I forgot the last time that I posted on this particular thread.

It's been awhile back. I had said that I was done with this particular discussion, but curiousity killed the cat and satisfaction brought him back.

 

 

 

Harley,

There are those among your belief (believing that you don't believe)  that will call this an "answer" - and refer back to it that my questions have been answered by you and others...  such as here in real time with the cat and it's curious satisfaction.  So you're history in the making.  Atheist substance:  Curiosity killing the cat, and satisfaction bringing him back.  That's a building block.  Late at night when you peek out the window and the sky is clear - just think about that inspiring thought that always wells up to inspire:  curiosity killed the cat, but satisfaction brought him back.  Peace, sweet peace.  I guess atheists do have substance and scientific method proofs with reproducible tests - the curiosity, the satisfaction, the death, the cat's meow.  

 

 

 

Fonphibosheth/Mephzie,

 

 Quote:

 Did you create the "what faith you" thread? That would be the thread titled "what faith you"; created by the user named "mephibosheth" on September 6, 2007 - 5:57pm, and which can be found here.

 

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Fonzie wrote:

jcgadfly wrote:

If preaching answered questions, I'd still be a believer.

I haven't mischaracterized your answer because you've given me nothing to mischaracterize. All you've really talked about is how great your God is. It is not surprising that your God is great for you - you made him that way. If I made a God by cobbling together the parts of the Bible I enjoyed, I'd probably dig him also.

While it is true I've never traveled your road, you have never traveled mine, either. You assume that I have never been down the Christian way because I haven't done it in the exact same way you have. Please lose the martyr complex - if it came to theists like you going through what Jesus had to go through, the line to become Judases would stretch for miles.

You want to know my road? It starts in reality and ends in my death. While I'm on the path I try to help as many of my fellow travelers as I can. This road works for me because this is the only one any of us really have.

Do you do that? Or do you just pray that Jesus will help the people you see that need help and believe you've done something? I'd put money on the latter as your posts have shown that you have never cracked open the Bible you claim to love.

As for meph, I don't know if he was kicked off or just left and came back under a new name because he thought he was kicked off. If the latter, creating sock-puppet accounts will get you booted.

What god has blinded me to your view? It could well be the God of the Bible (that book you've probably never read).

 

JcGadfly,

The OP I am defending is that I am a working model in the sense that the "new creation" and "walking by faith" in Christ is working for me.  I read others like you indicate you have "tried" following Christ and then turned back.  How Great my God is - that is my contention and I aim to defend it to death, though I can't boast about it putting my armor on as if taking it off.

 

It's not at all something I've done for myself as you say create my own God.  My God isn't me and my God's thoughts are far above my thoughts.  I would never have chosen me to allow to live or give the Holy Spirit to if I had been God.  The reasoning all came from His side not mine.  I never made the first creation and definitely never made the "new creation".  But I have not only read about it I have experienced it and I am currently experiencing it.  

 

Your road "starts in reality and ends in death".  I want to answer that line of reasoning with the teaching of Paul that our bodies aren't really us.  We are just living in our bodies like tents, camping out.  We are spirits in tents.  I don't know how the spirit connects up with matter, but we are animated dirt.  I suppose our bones would be like the tent posts and pegs.  We're pretty waterproof but subject to disease and damage.  The eternal things are the unseen things - such as the spirit in the tent.  You are hanging on to the temporary on shore hesitating to hoist sail and venture into the unseen eternal (i.e. permanent eternal world).  Maybe you don't long for the eternal world.  Maybe you are content to eat and sleep like the ox I don't know.  But while I am content in the world in my temporary tent-home, I am not "content with" it.  I can't be satisfied with what this world has to offer.   I long to be with Christ and God, and I have a piece of heaven - the gift of the Holy Spirit - in me.  It's an earnest of my inheritance - which means it's a piece of heaven and I don't have to give it back.  I'll just get more later.  It's great, as I said in my first post.  It's active.  Walking by faith is an active living thing.  You can pose a dead body sitting but it would be hard to make it walk.  (I heard about "Weekend with Bernie).  So you are thus content with the tent huh?  You think your body is the real you?  Nobody else home huh?  Call me picky but I'm not that crazy about this tent forever.  It gets inconvenient after about 80 years I notice - if not before.

 

 

 

Never said you were your God. You've just taken Paul's creation and tweaked it to fit.

I do like the way you've disregarded what I said about how I lived my life to focus on the trivial. I try to help others along the way while you sit and think about your heavenly home and that brand-spanking new body that the old holy book told you that' you'd get for kissing the tail of their version of God. Meanwhile, the world goes on and your opportunities to be useful keep dwindling away.

Poor baby - too heavenly minded to be of any earthly good.

Fonzie wrote:

jcgadfly wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

jcgadfly wrote:

If preaching answered questions, I'd still be a believer.

I haven't mischaracterized your answer because you've given me nothing to mischaracterize. All you've really talked about is how great your God is. It is not surprising that your God is great for you - you made him that way. If I made a God by cobbling together the parts of the Bible I enjoyed, I'd probably dig him also.

While it is true I've never traveled your road, you have never traveled mine, either. You assume that I have never been down the Christian way because I haven't done it in the exact same way you have. Please lose the martyr complex - if it came to theists like you going through what Jesus had to go through, the line to become Judases would stretch for miles.

You want to know my road? It starts in reality and ends in my death. While I'm on the path I try to help as many of my fellow travelers as I can. This road works for me because this is the only one any of us really have.

Do you do that? Or do you just pray that Jesus will help the people you see that need help and believe you've done something? I'd put money on the latter as your posts have shown that you have never cracked open the Bible you claim to love.

As for meph, I don't know if he was kicked off or just left and came back under a new name because he thought he was kicked off. If the latter, creating sock-puppet accounts will get you booted.

What god has blinded me to your view? It could well be the God of the Bible (that book you've probably never read).

 

JcGadfly,

The OP I am defending is that I am a working model in the sense that the "new creation" and "walking by faith" in Christ is working for me.  I read others like you indicate you have "tried" following Christ and then turned back.  How Great my God is - that is my contention and I aim to defend it to death, though I can't boast about it putting my armor on as if taking it off.

 

It's not at all something I've done for myself as you say create my own God.  My God isn't me and my God's thoughts are far above my thoughts.  I would never have chosen me to allow to live or give the Holy Spirit to if I had been God.  The reasoning all came from His side not mine.  I never made the first creation and definitely never made the "new creation".  But I have not only read about it I have experienced it and I am currently experiencing it.  

 

Your road "starts in reality and ends in death".  I want to answer that line of reasoning with the teaching of Paul that our bodies aren't really us.  We are just living in our bodies like tents, camping out.  We are spirits in tents.  I don't know how the spirit connects up with matter, but we are animated dirt.  I suppose our bones would be like the tent posts and pegs.  We're pretty waterproof but subject to disease and damage.  The eternal things are the unseen things - such as the spirit in the tent.  You are hanging on to the temporary on shore hesitating to hoist sail and venture into the unseen eternal (i.e. permanent eternal world).  Maybe you don't long for the eternal world.  Maybe you are content to eat and sleep like the ox I don't know.  But while I am content in the world in my temporary tent-home, I am not "content with" it.  I can't be satisfied with what this world has to offer.   I long to be with Christ and God, and I have a piece of heaven - the gift of the Holy Spirit - in me.  It's an earnest of my inheritance - which means it's a piece of heaven and I don't have to give it back.  I'll just get more later.  It's great, as I said in my first post.  It's active.  Walking by faith is an active living thing.  You can pose a dead body sitting but it would be hard to make it walk.  (I heard about "Weekend with Bernie).  So you are thus content with the tent huh?  You think your body is the real you?  Nobody else home huh?  Call me picky but I'm not that crazy about this tent forever.  It gets inconvenient after about 80 years I notice - if not before.

 

 

 

Never said you were your God. You've just taken Paul's creation and tweaked it to fit.

I do like the way you've disregarded what I said about how I lived my life to focus on the trivial. I try to help others along the way while you sit and think about your heavenly home and that brand-spanking new body that the old holy book told you that' you'd get for kissing the tail of their version of God. Meanwhile, the world goes on and your opportunities to be useful keep dwindling away.

Poor baby - too heavenly minded to be of any earthly good.

 

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Fly,

Ok, taking if from the top - here in your answer I am to find substance.  

It looks like your first point is that I have created my own God, picking and choosing which parts of the Bible I like - and you say if you did what I have done you'd probably "dig" God too.  

Then you mention what neither you nor I know about each other's road - but then you go on from telling me what I have done with respect to God to what I assume about you, the "martyr complex" I have, and that I would become a Judas if it came to a showdown.  So that's a few of your "assumptions" about me.  

Now, I think we come to part of the "substance" you refer to:  "MY ROAD" by Fly:  IT STARTS IN REALITY AND ENDS IN DEATH.  I TRY TO HELP AS MANY OF MY FELLOW TRAVELERS AS I CAN.  THIS WORKS FOR ME.  THIS IS THE ONLY ROAD THAT ANY OF US REALLY HAVE.  

Then there's the question of whether I do that (which I thought you already knew in full, even though you haven't traveled....)   And then you call in a bet that I pray for people but don't help them.  (I guess as a fellow traveler that's supposed to help me in some way get on "reality road" before the end).  

Then you ask what god has blinded you to my view and say it could be the God of the Bible - which you either "know I never read" or are just being sarcastic, illustrating absurdity by being absurd.  

 

Then you have concluded that I have picked out things Paul wrote and "tweaked" (I assume that means twisted) them to fit (I assume you mean things I like).  

And then I have ignored what you said - that you "live your life trying to help as many of your fellow travelers as you can"  to focus on the trivial (I think you mean my answer concerning "walking by faith in God", the greatness of God, how Paul viewed life and death and didn't actually refer to his body as himself - that he had the treasure in an earthen vessel.)  

And then back to your "substance" that you are helping people (like me, I can see that) while I am "kissing butt" with God letting life's opportunities pass me by.  

And then for encouragement or discipline  you add "poor baby" and label my faith and application useless and non-existant.  

 

Fly, 

Maybe you could expand more on the substance of how you help your fellow travelers.  I know you've helped me a lot here, encouraged, inspired, been non-judgmental, pointed me to a better way.  But maybe you have other examples of what it means to "know your road" , "start in reality" - before we "end in death".  

 

 

 

 

 

You missed the points. You asked me how atheism helps me. those posts tell you. To summarize: It allows me to help people without having to blackmail them into belief in God. It leaves me without a fear of death so I don't need to go to any story that pleases me by giving me a happy afterlife or gets me excited by thinking about those who disagree with me being tormented.

I help my fellow travelers by providing physical, monetary and emotional help where I can. I used to think I helped you by making you think. I couldn't have guessed that using your mind scared you so much.

Now would you like to answer that question about your actual identity?

 

 Quote:

 Did you create the "what faith you" thread? That would be the thread titled "what faith you"; created by the user named "mephibosheth" on September 6, 2007 - 5:57pm, and which can be found here.

 

^{severalth + 30± µ3 time}

 

Most of us accept that you are using "Fonzie" as a sock puppet. You are fortunate that the mods no longer care/have placed you under their protection. You could admit it and likely no one would notice. I think you might feel better - the 9th commandment isn't an option, after all.

  

jcgadfly wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

jcgadfly wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

jcgadfly wrote:

If preaching answered questions, I'd still be a believer.

I haven't mischaracterized your answer because you've given me nothing to mischaracterize. All you've really talked about is how great your God is. It is not surprising that your God is great for you - you made him that way. If I made a God by cobbling together the parts of the Bible I enjoyed, I'd probably dig him also.

While it is true I've never traveled your road, you have never traveled mine, either. You assume that I have never been down the Christian way because I haven't done it in the exact same way you have. Please lose the martyr complex - if it came to theists like you going through what Jesus had to go through, the line to become Judases would stretch for miles.

You want to know my road? It starts in reality and ends in my death. While I'm on the path I try to help as many of my fellow travelers as I can. This road works for me because this is the only one any of us really have.

Do you do that? Or do you just pray that Jesus will help the people you see that need help and believe you've done something? I'd put money on the latter as your posts have shown that you have never cracked open the Bible you claim to love.

As for meph, I don't know if he was kicked off or just left and came back under a new name because he thought he was kicked off. If the latter, creating sock-puppet accounts will get you booted.

What god has blinded me to your view? It could well be the God of the Bible (that book you've probably never read).

 

JcGadfly,

The OP I am defending is that I am a working model in the sense that the "new creation" and "walking by faith" in Christ is working for me.  I read others like you indicate you have "tried" following Christ and then turned back.  How Great my God is - that is my contention and I aim to defend it to death, though I can't boast about it putting my armor on as if taking it off.

 

It's not at all something I've done for myself as you say create my own God.  My God isn't me and my God's thoughts are far above my thoughts.  I would never have chosen me to allow to live or give the Holy Spirit to if I had been God.  The reasoning all came from His side not mine.  I never made the first creation and definitely never made the "new creation".  But I have not only read about it I have experienced it and I am currently experiencing it.  

 

Your road "starts in reality and ends in death".  I want to answer that line of reasoning with the teaching of Paul that our bodies aren't really us.  We are just living in our bodies like tents, camping out.  We are spirits in tents.  I don't know how the spirit connects up with matter, but we are animated dirt.  I suppose our bones would be like the tent posts and pegs.  We're pretty waterproof but subject to disease and damage.  The eternal things are the unseen things - such as the spirit in the tent.  You are hanging on to the temporary on shore hesitating to hoist sail and venture into the unseen eternal (i.e. permanent eternal world).  Maybe you don't long for the eternal world.  Maybe you are content to eat and sleep like the ox I don't know.  But while I am content in the world in my temporary tent-home, I am not "content with" it.  I can't be satisfied with what this world has to offer.   I long to be with Christ and God, and I have a piece of heaven - the gift of the Holy Spirit - in me.  It's an earnest of my inheritance - which means it's a piece of heaven and I don't have to give it back.  I'll just get more later.  It's great, as I said in my first post.  It's active.  Walking by faith is an active living thing.  You can pose a dead body sitting but it would be hard to make it walk.  (I heard about "Weekend with Bernie).  So you are thus content with the tent huh?  You think your body is the real you?  Nobody else home huh?  Call me picky but I'm not that crazy about this tent forever.  It gets inconvenient after about 80 years I notice - if not before.

 

 

 

Never said you were your God. You've just taken Paul's creation and tweaked it to fit.

I do like the way you've disregarded what I said about how I lived my life to focus on the trivial. I try to help others along the way while you sit and think about your heavenly home and that brand-spanking new body that the old holy book told you that' you'd get for kissing the tail of their version of God. Meanwhile, the world goes on and your opportunities to be useful keep dwindling away.

Poor baby - too heavenly minded to be of any earthly good.

 

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Fly,

Ok, taking if from the top - here in your answer I am to find substance.  

It looks like your first point is that I have created my own God, picking and choosing which parts of the Bible I like - and you say if you did what I have done you'd probably "dig" God too.  

Then you mention what neither you nor I know about each other's road - but then you go on from telling me what I have done with respect to God to what I assume about you, the "martyr complex" I have, and that I would become a Judas if it came to a showdown.  So that's a few of your "assumptions" about me.  

Now, I think we come to part of the "substance" you refer to:  "MY ROAD" by Fly:  IT STARTS IN REALITY AND ENDS IN DEATH.  I TRY TO HELP AS MANY OF MY FELLOW TRAVELERS AS I CAN.  THIS WORKS FOR ME.  THIS IS THE ONLY ROAD THAT ANY OF US REALLY HAVE.  

Then there's the question of whether I do that (which I thought you already knew in full, even though you haven't traveled....)   And then you call in a bet that I pray for people but don't help them.  (I guess as a fellow traveler that's supposed to help me in some way get on "reality road" before the end).  

Then you ask what god has blinded you to my view and say it could be the God of the Bible - which you either "know I never read" or are just being sarcastic, illustrating absurdity by being absurd.  

 

Then you have concluded that I have picked out things Paul wrote and "tweaked" (I assume that means twisted) them to fit (I assume you mean things I like).  

And then I have ignored what you said - that you "live your life trying to help as many of your fellow travelers as you can"  to focus on the trivial (I think you mean my answer concerning "walking by faith in God", the greatness of God, how Paul viewed life and death and didn't actually refer to his body as himself - that he had the treasure in an earthen vessel.)  

And then back to your "substance" that you are helping people (like me, I can see that) while I am "kissing butt" with God letting life's opportunities pass me by.  

And then for encouragement or discipline  you add "poor baby" and label my faith and application useless and non-existant.  

 

Fly, 

Maybe you could expand more on the substance of how you help your fellow travelers.  I know you've helped me a lot here, encouraged, inspired, been non-judgmental, pointed me to a better way.  But maybe you have other examples of what it means to "know your road" , "start in reality" - before we "end in death".  

 

 

 

 

 

You missed the points. You asked me how atheism helps me. those posts tell you. To summarize: It allows me to help people without having to blackmail them into belief in God. It leaves me without a fear of death so I don't need to go to any story that pleases me by giving me a happy afterlife or gets me excited by thinking about those who disagree with me being tormented.

I help my fellow travelers by providing physical, monetary and emotional help where I can. I used to think I helped you by making you think. I couldn't have guessed that using your mind scared you so much.

Now would you like to answer that question about your actual identity?

 

 Quote:

 Did you create the "what faith you" thread? That would be the thread titled "what faith you"; created by the user named "mephibosheth" on September 6, 2007 - 5:57pm, and which can be found here.

 

^{severalth + 30± µ3 time}

 

Most of us accept that you are using "Fonzie" as a sock puppet. You are fortunate that the mods no longer care/have placed you under their protection. You could admit it and likely no one would notice. I think you might feel better - the 9th commandment isn't an option, after all.

  

 

 

Fly,

Your "points" (using the term ever so loosely) have a false premise.  First you float your false ideas about God and Christ and Christianity - then you come in like Super Fly to in your mind "save the day" with your "ALL FLY ALL THE TIME" approach.  Not believing in God (or do you, or don't you, or do you, or don't you?) helps you not be afraid of death.  Ok, so you and Lu Lu the cow share the oblivious state of not considering death. Congratulations for shallow cow thinking.  

But you're not done.  Again you trot out this theory that Christians would like to watch you fry - that's a false idea again on your part but I suppose it represents another depth gauge on the Flying Cow brain accompanying you on your merry way - while you tell yourself that thinking "scares me".  Fly, Fly, Fly - your world of false assumptions!   And to think you have commissioned yourself and appointed yourself  to design yourself your own form of righteousness to shelter you from the storm (what storm?  there's no storm, right Fly?).  No, I am at peace and trying to help you while you project your fear of thinking.... on me.  

As to your route to my "feeling better" and your questions - I feel fine and want to remind you again (sigh) there has been no lie here anywhere that I know of or you have produced.  Bring it out for all to see!  I haven't lied about anything as far as I know on this forum.  I am at peace and that's thanks to a Righteousness neither you nor I have designed or earned - a gift I have accepted and you haven't, from a God and LORD I believe and trust in and lean on and you don't.  If you consider that a threat or blackmail it's your problem not mine.  

 

 

 

 

 

Did you create the "what faith you" thread? That would be the thread titled "what faith you"; created by the user named "mephibosheth" on September 6, 2007 - 5:57pm, and which can be found here. _{^{severalth + 32± µ3 time}}

jcgadfly wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

jcgadfly wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

 

 

JcGadfly,

I'm going to take you at your word - this sermonette is that the whole effort of reconcilliation comes from God.  It's His idea , and it's His work.  He calls man to be reconciled to Him rather than man calling to Him.  What He calls man to is a turn of emotions like a rudder turns a ship - toward love for Christ.  If man wants to be reconciled to God the reconcilliation is all prepared in Christ.  A man can die to himself in Christ and be raised to a "new creation" in Christ.  This is totally different than a reformation - like a drunk deciding to be sober for instance.  All things are new in Christ.  God gives us a new heart.  It's great.  You're passing up a great option. 

 

 

 

 

And all I have to do is swear undying obedience to a being who thinks I will never be anything without him. Then when I do that, he denies me his presence (in spite of my fervent pleas) so that I can be something.

Loving someone who hates me that badly would make me a battered spouse not a beloved child.

Things must be going really well for you to have such a pollyanna-like view of God.

 

JcGadfly,

No, the part you say He denies is the best of this I think - He is with you.  You're never alone.  You know, you have the wrong impression of being a slave.  If you are a slave to Jesus you have a Master that has shown He will even wash His slave's feet.  If you have a Master Who will even die in your place - it's better than being a king! 

Whether things go well or rough for me on this earth I just don't want to be out of His Presence.  I have great longings to be at home with Him, so I am content in this world but not content with it.  But, yes He has lifted me up to a level place.  And He has armed me to the hilt against the powers of the air, and the principalities.  If I lose to them in daily battle I have no excuse.  So yes I am secure. 

When you drive by the graveyard what meaning do you attibute to life?  You know the clock is ticking - what hope lifts you and sets your course?  Are you not without rudder as an atheist?  How do you concentrate your force of life?  What do you focus on - besides yourself?  Isn't focusing on yourself a bummer?  It always was for me.  It's a dismal road with a bridge out at the end.   I'm hoping you'll put in for the Bridge.  

 

 

 

 

If I had felt his presence even once, I'd still be a believer. And please don't tell me it's not about emotions. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the peace that passeth understanding - as a Christian, I never had it (even though it is promised to the believer).

When I go by the graveyard, I go by a graveyard. Death holds no terror for me as it is inevitable. My life's course is set by my desire to help others. My hope is that I have lived my life to the best of my ability and to the most use of others. That should tell you that I don't focus on myself. In fact, selfishness is something I could accuse you of because your sole focus seems to be getting yourself to heaven and bragging about the trip you think you're making.

I hope you're not too disappointed when you find the nothing that awaits us all. I hope even more that you aren't shocked when you meet me in some other god's hell because you made the wrong guess.

If there is a god, I know where I'll be - do you?

 

 

Fly,

This is #472, exhibit "C" of your atheist substance.  

In your first answer ("And all I have to do is swear undying obedience to a being Who thinks I will never be anything without Him." - jcgadfly quote) you are like the kid that thinks he can run things better than the parent.  

"Then when I do that, He denies me His presence - in spite of my fervent pleas - so that I can be something". (jcgadfly quote).  I guess it disturbs your love and devotion to yourself, your faith in yourself and your thoughts to focus on God and His thoughts.  

Fly, have you ever considered that this "moronic thought thing" you do means you have faith in unseen things - your own thoughts?  How do you prove those are "real" to yourself?  You evidently have proved them sufficiently to yourself such that you have faith in them.  You are the god, those are your unseen thoughts, you are putting your faith in them (that thought you have about death - "death holds no terror for me because it's inevitable" - that thought is an example of moronic thinking alright).  

God has thoughts too - you would do well to update each of your thoughts to God's thoughts.  As far as faith - it's like the faith you have in your own thoughts, except these thoughts are way above yours and mine and man's.  These are eternal thoughts - not moronic.  You can also use these to help others - eternally.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fonzie wrote:

jcgadfly wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

jcgadfly wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

 

 

JcGadfly,

I'm going to take you at your word - this sermonette is that the whole effort of reconcilliation comes from God.  It's His idea , and it's His work.  He calls man to be reconciled to Him rather than man calling to Him.  What He calls man to is a turn of emotions like a rudder turns a ship - toward love for Christ.  If man wants to be reconciled to God the reconcilliation is all prepared in Christ.  A man can die to himself in Christ and be raised to a "new creation" in Christ.  This is totally different than a reformation - like a drunk deciding to be sober for instance.  All things are new in Christ.  God gives us a new heart.  It's great.  You're passing up a great option. 

 

 

 

 

And all I have to do is swear undying obedience to a being who thinks I will never be anything without him. Then when I do that, he denies me his presence (in spite of my fervent pleas) so that I can be something.

Loving someone who hates me that badly would make me a battered spouse not a beloved child.

Things must be going really well for you to have such a pollyanna-like view of God.

 

JcGadfly,

No, the part you say He denies is the best of this I think - He is with you.  You're never alone.  You know, you have the wrong impression of being a slave.  If you are a slave to Jesus you have a Master that has shown He will even wash His slave's feet.  If you have a Master Who will even die in your place - it's better than being a king! 

Whether things go well or rough for me on this earth I just don't want to be out of His Presence.  I have great longings to be at home with Him, so I am content in this world but not content with it.  But, yes He has lifted me up to a level place.  And He has armed me to the hilt against the powers of the air, and the principalities.  If I lose to them in daily battle I have no excuse.  So yes I am secure. 

When you drive by the graveyard what meaning do you attibute to life?  You know the clock is ticking - what hope lifts you and sets your course?  Are you not without rudder as an atheist?  How do you concentrate your force of life?  What do you focus on - besides yourself?  Isn't focusing on yourself a bummer?  It always was for me.  It's a dismal road with a bridge out at the end.   I'm hoping you'll put in for the Bridge.  

 

 

 

 

If I had felt his presence even once, I'd still be a believer. And please don't tell me it's not about emotions. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the peace that passeth understanding - as a Christian, I never had it (even though it is promised to the believer).

When I go by the graveyard, I go by a graveyard. Death holds no terror for me as it is inevitable. My life's course is set by my desire to help others. My hope is that I have lived my life to the best of my ability and to the most use of others. That should tell you that I don't focus on myself. In fact, selfishness is something I could accuse you of because your sole focus seems to be getting yourself to heaven and bragging about the trip you think you're making.

I hope you're not too disappointed when you find the nothing that awaits us all. I hope even more that you aren't shocked when you meet me in some other god's hell because you made the wrong guess.

If there is a god, I know where I'll be - do you?

 

 

Fly,

This is #472, exhibit "C" of your atheist substance.  

In your first answer ("And all I have to do is swear undying obedience to a being Who thinks I will never be anything without Him." - jcgadfly quote) you are like the kid that thinks he can run things better than the parent.  

"Then when I do that, He denies me His presence - in spite of my fervent pleas - so that I can be something". (jcgadfly quote).  I guess it disturbs your love and devotion to yourself, your faith in yourself and your thoughts to focus on God and His thoughts.  

Fly, have you ever considered that this "moronic thought thing" you do means you have faith in unseen things - your own thoughts?  How do you prove those are "real" to yourself?  You evidently have proved them sufficiently to yourself such that you have faith in them.  You are the god, those are your unseen thoughts, you are putting your faith in them (that thought you have about death - "death holds no terror for me because it's inevitable" - that thought is an example of moronic thinking alright).  

God has thoughts too - you would do well to update each of your thoughts to God's thoughts.  As far as faith - it's like the faith you have in your own thoughts, except these thoughts are way above yours and mine and man's.  These are eternal thoughts - not moronic.  You can also use these to help others - eternally.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mephzie,

1. You have a "parent" that will happily torture you for eternity for the heinous crime of not loving him enough. such a parent on earth would be arrested for child abuse. Lovely choice of parental example you have there. 

2. His thoughts are unavailable to me - the Bible does not have them (it was written by men). If your God is real, he's withholding his thoughts. since you are your God - tell me your thoughts.

3. I don't have faith in my thought s the way that you have faith in your God - I thought you had been taught that lesson. There is biological evidence for thought process - it's called brain activity. I have evidence to support my thought process - how about for your God? You keep saying that it works for you and you have no more than biochemical activity that you claim is from God. Are you admitting that you are your God? You'd have evidence for that claim.

4. See #2. 

5. Tell me your thoughts on this question for starters:

 

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C'mon mephzie- God. This shouldn't be so hard for you.

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Fonzie wrote:

Anonymouse,

It's evident to any honest reading of these posts that you have never discussed anything.  I challenge you to produce a paragraph of your post that shows otherwise. 

Instead you are a barrier to all discussion, rude, annoying, taking a dog by the ears as a way of getting acquainted, and it is also clear that you can (in your mind) dish it out but when I try to give you a taste of your annoyance you can't take it.  You threaten as you previously projected on me.  

Back to the discussion issue)  This thread is "It Works for Me".  I have ask how atheism works for you.  It is a growing suspicion that your atheism doesn't work for you in a satisfactory way.  You only stiff-arm when it comes to discussion.  You have nothing to offer except your continual ridicule of what you don't understand.  And you seem to "live" on this forum - taking it personally that nothing indeed gets discussed lest it be a challenge to your depravity and emptiness. 

I'll use another quote function:  Paul, who was dealing with a guy like you said, (and I quote) "You son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, full of all deceit and villainy, will you not stop making crooked the straight paths of the LORD?  And now, behold, the hand of the LORD is upon you, and you shall be blind and unable to see the sun for a time."

Actually, Anonymouse, Paul loved this guy by sharing the truth with him.  You could call it discussion - a term you should define by application. 

BTW I don't see "high level moderator" beside your name.  Are you actually JCGadfly?

 

 

No, he's not me. Sock puppetry is against the rules - the mods would have busted me for that some time ago (I'm too honest for my own good). Besides, I'm too old to change writing styles.

Atheism works for me because I have no fear of death. I can appreciate myself for who I am instead having to gauge myself against an unattainable standard of a God (that he doesn't feel is worth following himself but will happily dispatch me to hell for violating).

Now how about you? You have a uncannily similar story and writing style of a user who went by the name of mephibosheth.

As for the lithium - let me understand.

You:

1. saw the problem

2. read a book with a solution

3. found a doctor who'd prescribe for you

4. took the lithium

5. monitoring your condition with a doctor's help (I hope)

6. read the Bible and attributed it all to God.

God:

...what did God actually do, again?

 

Fly,

 

Well....we're here at #519 - exhibit "D" on your list of "answers" representing atheist substance.  I guess I can winnow out all your "helpful advice" - (which is evidently an application of your "get out there and help somebody" do gooder insurance religion) - which leaves me with this little atheist gem:  

"Atheism works for me because I have no fear of death." (quoting jcgadfly)  Ok, but again, you're not a cow - you're a man.  Have you talked this thing in common over with the cow?

"I can appreciate myself for who I am instead of having to gauge myself against an unattainable standard of a God (that he doesn't feel is worth following Himself but will gladly dispatch me to hell for violating" (quoting jcgadfly from "substance library #519)

Fly, I would like to know how you appreciate yourself so much when "who you are" is a guy who trusts in his own thoughts which he cannot prove to himself or anybody (unless it's somebody that has faith in you) yet "who you are" and "here you are" mocking and misrepresenting God and His thoughts!~  Why extrapolate your folly into talking about what you don't understand?  Leave your thinking parked over the void that it is rather than trying to bring it out and parade it before the cloud of witnesses.

I know you don't believe that God's sending His Son to die was because He so loved the world (including you and me) that He wanted to save us from our sin (including the faulty thinking that is Fly) - but your lack of faith in God's thinking and your ongoing faith in your own faulty thinking is the problem.  

 Poor fonziemeph, 

 Still not getting it, huh? Animals feel abject terror when they die (I'm going to go out on a limb to say that you have never seen an animal die). It is the human intellect that wins out over fear. You seem to be content to run to your sky daddy to save you from death. The difference between you and other animals is that the others run away from the predators. you run to yours with open arms. How do I appreciate myself? I know my capabilities and understand my limitations. Your God (and by extension his followers thanks to Paul's creation) have no limitations and often act accordingly. The prisons are full of people who claim God and Jesus as their moral compass. I guess that just goes back to your fear of thinking since you want to substitute unthinking faith for it. Did Jesus die? Looked a whole lot like a three day weekend for a being that could shut off his pain receptors (Jesus is God, right?) and got to resume being God. Where was that sacrifice again? Did you lose it? Give me the same deal Jesus got and I'd let you nail me up right now. Shoot, just end poverty or world hunger with my death and I'd be there. He gave nothing to do nothing - just like you. Do you remember when I brought up the intellect triumphing over fear? Use it now and overcome your fear of this: Quote:

Did you create the "what faith you" thread? That would be the thread titled "what faith you"; created by the user named "mephibosheth" on September 6, 2007 - 5:57pm, and which can be found here. _{severalth + 35.1± µ3 time}  

 

Fonzie wrote:

 

Fonzie wrote:

 

Fly,

 

Well....we're here at #519 - exhibit "D" on your list of "answers" representing atheist substance.  I guess I can winnow out all your "helpful advice" - (which is evidently an application of your "get out there and help somebody" do gooder insurance religion) - which leaves me with this little atheist gem:  

"Atheism works for me because I have no fear of death." (quoting jcgadfly)  Ok, but again, you're not a cow - you're a man.  Have you talked this thing in common over with the cow?

"I can appreciate myself for who I am instead of having to gauge myself against an unattainable standard of a God (that he doesn't feel is worth following Himself but will gladly dispatch me to hell for violating" (quoting jcgadfly from "substance library #519)

Fly, I would like to know how you appreciate yourself so much when "who you are" is a guy who trusts in his own thoughts which he cannot prove to himself or anybody (unless it's somebody that has faith in you) yet "who you are" and "here you are" mocking and misrepresenting God and His thoughts!~  Why extrapolate your folly into talking about what you don't understand?  Leave your thinking parked over the void that it is rather than trying to bring it out and parade it before the cloud of witnesses.

I know you don't believe that God's sending His Son to die was because He so loved the world (including you and me) that He wanted to save us from our sin (including the faulty thinking that is Fly) - but your lack of faith in God's thinking and your ongoing faith in your own faulty thinking is the problem.  

 

 

 

 

 

jcgadfly wrote:

 Poor fonziemeph, 

 Still not getting it, huh? Animals feel abject terror when they die (I'm going to go out on a limb to say that you have never seen an animal die). It is the human intellect that wins out over fear. You seem to be content to run to your sky daddy to save you from death. The difference between you and other animals is that the others run away from the predators. you run to yours with open arms. How do I appreciate myself? I know my capabilities and understand my limitations. Your God (and by extension his followers thanks to Paul's creation) have no limitations and often act accordingly. The prisons are full of people who claim God and Jesus as their moral compass. I guess that just goes back to your fear of thinking since you want to substitute unthinking faith for it. Did Jesus die? Looked a whole lot like a three day weekend for a being that could shut off his pain receptors (Jesus is God, right?) and got to resume being God. Where was that sacrifice again? Did you lose it? Give me the same deal Jesus got and I'd let you nail me up right now. Shoot, just end poverty or world hunger with my death and I'd be there. He gave nothing to do nothing - just like you. Do you remember when I brought up the intellect triumphing over fear? Use it now and overcome your fear of this: Quote:

Did you create the "what faith you" thread? That would be the thread titled "what faith you"; created by the user named "mephibosheth" on September 6, 2007 - 5:57pm, and which can be found here. _{severalth + 35.1± µ3 time}  

 

 

Fly, 

 

I'll grant you the point that animals are smarter - the ass knows his master, you don't.  I have seen an animal die BTW and the one that comes to mind right now is a chicken with its head cut off.  The difference is your posts don't taste like chicken.  

You're back to what you and atheists do best - 1 dimensional blasphemy and no real atheist substance.  Tear down, mock up, scrape with your foot, cut your foot, wink with your eye, close your eyes, roll your eyes, suck air, devise evil - but never give a lesson in building.  What's your blueprint fly?  What are you going to use for materials?  How are you going to build a life?  

Sure, you can repeat the questions and distract, but there's no subsequent atheist answer.  It's a sad fact isn't it.  No substance at #442, #466, #472, #519 - five more to go....

I need a lantern here, Diogenes - but would it just draw flies? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Diogenes would never put his lantern near you - he was looking for honest men.

Sorry fonziemeph, my posts must be like meat and you're used to digesting milk. My life is built by the support of those around me (theist and atheist) and with what good I have been able to do in this world. Yours seems to be built on warm fuzzies, magic and the desire you have to see all us bad people get what you think we deserve while you and Jesus watch with your puds in your hands.

Grow up. You can start with this.

Quote:

Did you create the "what faith you" thread? That would be the thread titled "what faith you"; created by the user named "mephibosheth" on September 6, 2007 - 5:57pm, and which can be found here. _{severalth + 35.1± µ3 time}  

 

jcgadfly wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

 

Fonzie wrote:

 

Fly,

 

Well....we're here at #519 - exhibit "D" on your list of "answers" representing atheist substance.  I guess I can winnow out all your "helpful advice" - (which is evidently an application of your "get out there and help somebody" do gooder insurance religion) - which leaves me with this little atheist gem:  

"Atheism works for me because I have no fear of death." (quoting jcgadfly)  Ok, but again, you're not a cow - you're a man.  Have you talked this thing in common over with the cow?

"I can appreciate myself for who I am instead of having to gauge myself against an unattainable standard of a God (that he doesn't feel is worth following Himself but will gladly dispatch me to hell for violating" (quoting jcgadfly from "substance library #519)

Fly, I would like to know how you appreciate yourself so much when "who you are" is a guy who trusts in his own thoughts which he cannot prove to himself or anybody (unless it's somebody that has faith in you) yet "who you are" and "here you are" mocking and misrepresenting God and His thoughts!~  Why extrapolate your folly into talking about what you don't understand?  Leave your thinking parked over the void that it is rather than trying to bring it out and parade it before the cloud of witnesses.

I know you don't believe that God's sending His Son to die was because He so loved the world (including you and me) that He wanted to save us from our sin (including the faulty thinking that is Fly) - but your lack of faith in God's thinking and your ongoing faith in your own faulty thinking is the problem.  

 

 

 

 

 

jcgadfly wrote:

 Poor fonziemeph, 

 Still not getting it, huh? Animals feel abject terror when they die (I'm going to go out on a limb to say that you have never seen an animal die). It is the human intellect that wins out over fear. You seem to be content to run to your sky daddy to save you from death. The difference between you and other animals is that the others run away from the predators. you run to yours with open arms. How do I appreciate myself? I know my capabilities and understand my limitations. Your God (and by extension his followers thanks to Paul's creation) have no limitations and often act accordingly. The prisons are full of people who claim God and Jesus as their moral compass. I guess that just goes back to your fear of thinking since you want to substitute unthinking faith for it. Did Jesus die? Looked a whole lot like a three day weekend for a being that could shut off his pain receptors (Jesus is God, right?) and got to resume being God. Where was that sacrifice again? Did you lose it? Give me the same deal Jesus got and I'd let you nail me up right now. Shoot, just end poverty or world hunger with my death and I'd be there. He gave nothing to do nothing - just like you. Do you remember when I brought up the intellect triumphing over fear? Use it now and overcome your fear of this: Quote:

Did you create the "what faith you" thread? That would be the thread titled "what faith you"; created by the user named "mephibosheth" on September 6, 2007 - 5:57pm, and which can be found here. _{severalth + 35.1± µ3 time}  

 

 

Fly, 

 

I'll grant you the point that animals are smarter - the ass knows his master, you don't.  I have seen an animal die BTW and the one that comes to mind right now is a chicken with its head cut off.  The difference is your posts don't taste like chicken.  

You're back to what you and atheists do best - 1 dimensional blasphemy and no real atheist substance.  Tear down, mock up, scrape with your foot, cut your foot, wink with your eye, close your eyes, roll your eyes, suck air, devise evil - but never give a lesson in building.  What's your blueprint fly?  What are you going to use for materials?  How are you going to build a life?  

Sure, you can repeat the questions and distract, but there's no subsequent atheist answer.  It's a sad fact isn't it.  No substance at #442, #466, #472, #519 - five more to go....

I need a lantern here, Diogenes - but would it just draw flies? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Diogenes would never put his lantern near you - he was looking for honest men.

Sorry fonziemeph, my posts must be like meat and you're used to digesting milk. My life is built by the support of those around me (theist and atheist) and with what good I have been able to do in this world. Yours seems to be built on warm fuzzies, magic and the desire you have to see all us bad people get what you think we deserve while you and Jesus watch with your puds in your hands.

Grow up. You can start with this.

Quote:

Did you create the "what faith you" thread? That would be the thread titled "what faith you"; created by the user named "mephibosheth" on September 6, 2007 - 5:57pm, and which can be found here. _{severalth + 35.1± µ3 time}  

 

 

 

Adult Fly,

 

Vague reference to principles held in that post but no principles given....which adds weight to my position that what you're good at - and this is what I've seen to be general atheist fare - is mocking and blasphemy.  But I've seen all that.  What I've ask is this Fly:  After you get done with your blasphemy attack and you go back home to atheistville with your homies, what principles do you build with?  What do you anchor your life to?  What do you have that gives you joy and hope and makes you hospitable to your fellow travelers?  You have only referred to it in a "oh that" sort of way - not allowed entrance to the atheist heart of hearts - a future look.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fonzie wrote:

jcgadfly wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

 

Fonzie wrote:

 

Fly,

 

Well....we're here at #519 - exhibit "D" on your list of "answers" representing atheist substance.  I guess I can winnow out all your "helpful advice" - (which is evidently an application of your "get out there and help somebody" do gooder insurance religion) - which leaves me with this little atheist gem:  

"Atheism works for me because I have no fear of death." (quoting jcgadfly)  Ok, but again, you're not a cow - you're a man.  Have you talked this thing in common over with the cow?

"I can appreciate myself for who I am instead of having to gauge myself against an unattainable standard of a God (that he doesn't feel is worth following Himself but will gladly dispatch me to hell for violating" (quoting jcgadfly from "substance library #519)

Fly, I would like to know how you appreciate yourself so much when "who you are" is a guy who trusts in his own thoughts which he cannot prove to himself or anybody (unless it's somebody that has faith in you) yet "who you are" and "here you are" mocking and misrepresenting God and His thoughts!~  Why extrapolate your folly into talking about what you don't understand?  Leave your thinking parked over the void that it is rather than trying to bring it out and parade it before the cloud of witnesses.

I know you don't believe that God's sending His Son to die was because He so loved the world (including you and me) that He wanted to save us from our sin (including the faulty thinking that is Fly) - but your lack of faith in God's thinking and your ongoing faith in your own faulty thinking is the problem.  

 

 

 

 

 

jcgadfly wrote:

 Poor fonziemeph, 

 Still not getting it, huh? Animals feel abject terror when they die (I'm going to go out on a limb to say that you have never seen an animal die). It is the human intellect that wins out over fear. You seem to be content to run to your sky daddy to save you from death. The difference between you and other animals is that the others run away from the predators. you run to yours with open arms. How do I appreciate myself? I know my capabilities and understand my limitations. Your God (and by extension his followers thanks to Paul's creation) have no limitations and often act accordingly. The prisons are full of people who claim God and Jesus as their moral compass. I guess that just goes back to your fear of thinking since you want to substitute unthinking faith for it. Did Jesus die? Looked a whole lot like a three day weekend for a being that could shut off his pain receptors (Jesus is God, right?) and got to resume being God. Where was that sacrifice again? Did you lose it? Give me the same deal Jesus got and I'd let you nail me up right now. Shoot, just end poverty or world hunger with my death and I'd be there. He gave nothing to do nothing - just like you. Do you remember when I brought up the intellect triumphing over fear? Use it now and overcome your fear of this: Quote:

Did you create the "what faith you" thread? That would be the thread titled "what faith you"; created by the user named "mephibosheth" on September 6, 2007 - 5:57pm, and which can be found here. _{severalth + 35.1± µ3 time}  

 

 

Fly, 

 

I'll grant you the point that animals are smarter - the ass knows his master, you don't.  I have seen an animal die BTW and the one that comes to mind right now is a chicken with its head cut off.  The difference is your posts don't taste like chicken.  

You're back to what you and atheists do best - 1 dimensional blasphemy and no real atheist substance.  Tear down, mock up, scrape with your foot, cut your foot, wink with your eye, close your eyes, roll your eyes, suck air, devise evil - but never give a lesson in building.  What's your blueprint fly?  What are you going to use for materials?  How are you going to build a life?  

Sure, you can repeat the questions and distract, but there's no subsequent atheist answer.  It's a sad fact isn't it.  No substance at #442, #466, #472, #519 - five more to go....

I need a lantern here, Diogenes - but would it just draw flies? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Diogenes would never put his lantern near you - he was looking for honest men.

Sorry fonziemeph, my posts must be like meat and you're used to digesting milk. My life is built by the support of those around me (theist and atheist) and with what good I have been able to do in this world. Yours seems to be built on warm fuzzies, magic and the desire you have to see all us bad people get what you think we deserve while you and Jesus watch with your puds in your hands.

Grow up. You can start with this.

Quote:

Did you create the "what faith you" thread? That would be the thread titled "what faith you"; created by the user named "mephibosheth" on September 6, 2007 - 5:57pm, and which can be found here. _{severalth + 35.1± µ3 time}  

 

 

 

Adult Fly,

 

Vague reference to principles held in that post but no principles given....which adds weight to my position that what you're good at - and this is what I've seen to be general atheist fare - is mocking and blasphemy.  But I've seen all that.  What I've ask is this Fly:  After you get done with your blasphemy attack and you go back home to atheistville with your homies, what principles do you build with?  What do you anchor your life to?  What do you have that gives you joy and hope and makes you hospitable to your fellow travelers?  You have only referred to it in a "oh that" sort of way - not allowed entrance to the atheist heart of hearts - a future look.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Baby mephzie,

Isn't life amazing enough without having to tie it to your ego (that which you call God)?

I've told you the principles on which I base my life. What's confusing for you is that they're the principles that the person behind the character of Jesus based his on - "going about doing good".

That must annoy you because all you have is a belief in something that Paul created from his ego. Your ego tied to Paul's ego - nothing attached to nothing.

Honesty to others is a good thing to join your life to - start with this. 

 

Quote:

Did you create the "what faith you" thread? That would be the thread titled "what faith you"; created by the user named "mephibosheth" on September 6, 2007 - 5:57pm, and which can be found here. _{severalth + 35.1± µ3 time}  

 

 

Did you create the "what faith you" thread? That would be the thread titled "what faith you"; created by the user named "mephibosheth" on September 6, 2007 - 5:57pm, and which can be found here. _{severalth + 37.1± µ3 time}

redneF wrote:

I agree.

For 3000+ posts this clown keeps asking what 'substance' atheists have, and he's ignoring the tons that he's been given, and just latches onto anything that he can use as springboard to begin preaching.

This thread should be locked.

Let him pay for his own blog...

 

red,

Why is it that your blasphemy and mocking, firebrands and arrows and death are not preaching?  Is the definition of "preaching" whatever you don't think you want to hear or agree with?  You are doing as much "preaching" as anybody - yet lacking the substance that listening might enable you to acquire and deliver.  

I know it's embarrassing to bring light to the lack of atheist substance here - such that you would even try to cover that with an outlandish clown-like lie - that "tons have been given" (who's the clown, bubba) when there hasn't been a speck (not even a half a kab of dove's dung) of substance that I've seen beyond the crackle of thorns under the pot, the short lived "burn, baby burn" party of blasphemy.

You're projecting the "lock" on me that "locks" you.  How reasonable is it to "reject by label" rather than reasonable discussion?  How reasonable is it to refer to your imaginary "tons of substance" you can't produce?  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fonzie wrote:

I know it's embarrassing to bring light to the lack of atheist substance here -  

I gave you the substance...lol

We're not afraid.

Neither is this lady...