Here is something I find quite puzzling.  If God did not create us, and we evolve from other creatures,  how did our languages come into existance?   The world is full of many rich cultures complete with an unique linguistic form of language following an agreed set of rules.  So who created the rules, the sounds, and how did this person or evolutionary ancestor get others to understand and agree with the rules?   THis is obviously a huge leap from the primitive grunts and noises that other animal species make.  Yes, primates can communicate on a basic level.  But they can't verbalize into words, or express complete sentences conveying abstract ideas. 

How would you convey to a fellow creature a metaphorical or philosophical question when there is no foundation for language?  You can point to objects and make a noise, but that only gets you so far in language.  The same problem exists for creating a written language.

Even if evolutionary linguists can come up with a plausible explanation, there remains one big problem.   Why don't we all speak the same language? 

Does the award for the greatest evil go to Satan or God?

Many blame Satan for the evils of this world even as his power to deceive all of us comes from God.

As the creator of Satan, many think that God deserves the blame as he knew what Satan would be because God knows everything in advance.

What is the greatest evil you can think of and who do you think is to blame for it?

Who is the greatest sinner, Satan or God?

I lean toward God as scriptures name him the Alpha and Omega which to me means the best and the worse. Also, scriptures have God saying not to place any other above him and I would be going against this by placing Satan above him in the category of the most evil. I do not want to break the first commandment.

Do you dare by putting Satan above God?

Regards
DL

Hello-

I am not a Christian, so please do not ask me questions about the Genesis account of creation, as I do not endorse any sort of literal interpretation of it, in fact, I would guess that both the earth and the universe are as old as the latest research suggests. I have questions about the origin of the universe:

1. I think science supports me in my belief in cause and effect- nothing exists anywhere that wasn't caused to be there somehow; each rock lies on the ground because gravity set it there; each blade of grass grows where it does because the conditions are right for it to manifest. There is a reason (or a force if you prefer) behind every thing being where it is and moving the way it moves. So what is the reason or force behind the universe? Since everything else has a cause, then why would the universe not also have a cause?

Science explains the existence of God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNSe4Ff57n4&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haBLjVqrrjM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDbesQQi9yc

Without a personal apotheosis, all who claim that God is real without any personal knowledge --- without a clear logic trail --- are just lying to themselves as well as others.

All who claim a God are also idol worshipping. They have just pasted their bible pages onto a golden calf. They think they have hidden the calf’s shape but it is still discernible under the manmade WORD of God. To have a Godinabook is to idol worship.

Most that follow a religion do not really follow it. They only follow tradition and cultures based on old tribal ways.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV2VjdpVonY

Are you an idol worshipper or do you fall under the first link’s definition?

If not, give the logic trail to your God.

Regards
DL

P. S. Most will see this O P as an attack on those who believe. If you do, then you should know that I am not an atheist but call myself a Gnostic Christian and do believe in a Godhead. It is just not supernatural and is not immoral the way the bible God is portrayed to be.

Hi all, these are my thoughts and my thoughts only.

Atheists most commonly are after external proofs for Gods existence. To me, this creates a number of problems.

If God exists, why does belief in him have to be dependent of external proofs?

If God exists, wouldnt he make himself accesable to anyone and everyone for belief in him? The only way this can be possibily done is for "something" to be inside of every single human being for belief in him rather than "external proofs".

By looking for external and relying on external proofs, it creates a form of discrimation.


If God exists, wouldnt belief in God be independent of how smart you are, what access to information you have, where you live, what era you live in, how long you live, how well your senses and cognitive faculties work?

The only way to solve this, is that God put something inside each individual person so that we can believe in him.

Lets look at a few examples and you will get the jist of what i am trying o say

If there exists an extreme depth of ( evil-negative)  wickedness , then there must also be an extreme height of Love (good -positive)   This then is God. 
 
In the discipline of physics, a law 
States that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. In this sense, excesses of wickedness like Auschwitz and other massacres prove God's existence. 

All deep human suffering is not a valid atheist argument but proof that there must be a Comforter to compensate for it. Much suffering is directly or indirectly God's punishment for sin. To deduce from such suffering that there is no God is to deny instrumentality . One might as easily prove that a child has no father by the fact that his father spanked him. 
Richard Wurmbrand

I saw an interesting docu drama on George Price the other night. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_R._Price

He had come up with a mathematical theorem that "proved" that altruism was an illusion. He was one of those guys that had swung the pendulum from atheism to theism and had finally died by suicide after giving away all his possessions in 1975 ( clinical depression perhaps?). Heere's a Wiki quote about his theorem.

Can you help but do evil? I do not see how. Do you?
And if you cannot, why would God punish you?

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by putting forward their free will argument and placing all the blame on mankind.
That usually sounds like ----God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy. Such statements simply avoid God's culpability as the author and creator of human nature.

Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all do evil/sin by nature then, the evil/sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not do evil/sin. Can we then help but do evil? I do not see how. Do you?

Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil and sin is all human generated and in this sense, I agree with Christians, but for completely different reasons. Evil is mankind’s responsibility and not some imaginary God’s. Free will is something that can only be taken.

In the issue of healings and miracles, many non believers raise a philosophical point, which I feel is very valid, however theists are very quick to brush it off with, "God's ways are higher, above us and we can't and shouldn't try to second guess him". This is usually in response to asking why a little old lady who takes a bath in a certain body of water gets healed of cancer when thousands, equally or perhaps even better deserving, continue to die? OK, let's give theists this one. Let's say God, who is infinite can look down through time into the future and see all possible life scenarios and has some greater reason for the little old lady than the thousands who succumbed. Maybe the little old lady inspired some kid to get saved and that kid became a pastor and led thousands more to salvation. Whatever.

This isn't a thread about faith healing although it could be included here. I just don't want to get into a whizzing contest about "proven miracles" as that topic has been beaten to death ad nauseum. My earlier post about the protection of pedophiles touched on this although no Christian wanted to go there as they were more interested in protecting the Christian church's reputation from any heathen journalism out to smear their good name.