Um no, the human brain nor any life for that matter was ever a product manufatured by a fictional super hero like a product in a factory. Life is a result of evolution, not fictional beings humans invent.

Now, if you think you outlive your body, then take your computer, smash it up into tiny unusable parts, and then observe it and see if it can operate on it's own as if it was still fully in tact. Now you'd have me believe that if the brain dies you survive it's death.

  RE ::  But I'm out of my head when you're not around.

 

  Not that you asked but Pharisaical legalism arouses righteous indignation, and gets my goat. Problem is most people who fall into this pitfall will NEVER recognize it themselves at any time in the entirety of their whole lives.

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  Women of The Holy Bible

  As learned from the Torah, words and names are not given haphazardly. We can find,  In most cases, very clear meaning and insight into something or someone based on the name, though not always. So it is not superfluous that biblical Sarah had, in fact, in her lifetime, she had three names. With her, It appears that each time Sarah changed her name, it was symbolic of a greater spiritual refinement in your life-cycle.

 

 ‘’Now Sarai, Abram’s wife, had borne him no children. And she had an Egyptian maid servant whose name was Hagar.  So Sarai said to Abram, “See now, the Lord has restrained me from bearing children. Please, go in to my maid; perhaps I shall obtain children by her.” And Abram heeded the voice of Sarai. Then Sarai, Abram’s wife, took Hagar her maid, the Egyptian, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan.  So he went in to Hagar, and she conceived. And when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress became despised in her eyes.  Then Sarai said to Abram, “My wrong,  be upon you! I gave my maid into your embrace; and when she saw that she had conceived, I became despised in her eyes. The Lord will judge between  you and me.” So Abram said to Sarai, “Indeed your maid is in your hand; do to her as you please.” And when Sarai dealt harshly with her . . . hence the LORD appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground,  and said, “My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant. Please let a little water be brought, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree.  And I will bring a morsel of bread, that you may refresh your hearts. After that  you may pass by,  inasmuch as you have come to your servant.” They said, “Do as you have said.”  So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah and said, “Quickly, make ready three measures of fine meal; knead it and make cakes.”   And Abraham ran to the herd, took a tender and good calf, gave it to a young man, and he hastened to prepare it.  So he took  ghee and sacred milk  and  the calf which he had prepared, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree as they ate. Then they said to him, “Where is Sarah your wife?” So he said, “Here, in the tent.” And He said, “I will certainly return to you according to the time of life, and behold, Sarah your wife shall have a son’’  (And Sarah was listening in the tent door which was behind him.) Now Abraham and Sarah were old, well advanced in age; and Sarah had passed the age of childbearing.  Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, “After I have grown old, shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?” And the Lord said to Abraham, “Why did Sarah laugh, saying, ‘Shall I surely bear a child, since I am old?’ Is anything too hard for the Lord? At the appointed time I will return to you, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.” But Sarah denied it, saying, “I did not laugh,” fore she was afraid’’

 

 

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magilum wrote:

One of the fundamental differences in our thinking appears to be your satisfaction, if not comfort, in there being mysteries. As though there were this kernel of something that would be destroyed by scrutiny. I think it's because if faith were to be articulated, we would find that at its heart it is ultimately an assertion which we can't satisfactorily justify. And when we frame it this way, as we frame almost everything else in our lives, it feels threatening to our happiness and well-being. Is this good or bad for us? I don't know. My way of thinking is that the more mysteries I unravel the more I can justify what I believe in, because I can explain things. What I'm left with is a much more robust philosophy that I don't have to guard under the auspices of "mystery."

I appreciate your reasonable statement.  There are mysteries in life for all of us.  I also am trying to unravel every mystery I can.  Here is why I am not concerned about living with the type of mystery I mentioned:  If a Man died for me I accept the fact that He loves me and is my friend.  If He does and says things that are a mystery to me I can live with that while I try to understand why.

  

I hate the word "mystery".  It is far too rooted in giving humans an excuse to give up in finding answers. If your desire is to protect your ego, your "mystery" is rooted in avoiding reality. Mysteries are not a virtue. The unknown is something to uncover, not hide behind to coddle our superstitions or case of the warm fuzzies.

 

 

 

Brian,

The baby sweaters my wife knits are a mystery to me - but I don't hate it.  I just marvel at it - and I'm not the least bit interested in unraveling the sweater or the mystery.  

Your hatred of the word "mystery" may instead just be a way to protect your fragile ego from the divine reality of things beyond you (they do exist) not allowing marvel.    

As far as my ego - for me to live is Christ, to die is gain...  (at least that is my focus moment by moment shared with Paul - but I haven't been stoned or beaten lately so it may just be untested talk.  I can't boast putting my armor on as one taking it off).  

You're right there are mysteries meant to uncover.  The Gospel of Jesus Christ was a Mystery Hidden for ages - a Mystery angels and prophets wanted to look into - now It's Revealed.  It's the Glory of God to Conceal Things but the glory of kings is to search Things out.  You would tour royally to search out this mystery.  

And still there are things not revealed that will always be mystery which the perverse and unbelieving use as an excuse to twist and invent straw-self-revelations they then gleefully reject and ego trip on in fake space.  

The door of the Substitutionary death and Resurrection of Christ (being The Truth) would open the door (He IS The DOOR) to uncovering many many mysteries (and that should truly interest you if you're not fooling yourself) - and enables accepting the unrevealed mysteries in real faith and real hope and strength and steadfastness that sees and illuminates and lives beyond death.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

No one has started a religion based on your wife's sweaters. No one is condemning gays or slamming planes into buildings over your wife's sweaters.

Not learning how to knit doesn't make knitting super natural or the product of magic.

 

Now like even some atheists here, you also falsely accuse me of hate and take that out of context.

 

Damned right I hate claims people utter that have no evidence for them. That is a seperate issue than human rights. You have the right to claim your wife's sweaters make ice cream without human help. You have the right to claim the New York Yankees won the Superbowl. That empathy on my part is not just for you, but because I also want the right to say what I want without fear of harm by others.

Still a separate subject, that when you quote a book, or make sound waves with your voice, or type a claim in social media, my concern is EVIDENCE.

I could give one crap less what you like believing and your personal rights as far as government protecting you no one is disputing. But the fact remains you have nothing but an old book of myth full of scientific absurdities and contraditicions written by people who could not have known what we know now. I find absolutely no value in clinging to old books of myth. We have survived fine with no longer buying claims of Apollo, or Isis or Thor. I think our species can move on without your god claims too.

 

We currently do not know scientifically what is beyond the background radiation of the big bang. But incerting claims from a bronze age book of myth full of talking donkeys and men magically popping out of dirt, will never constitute evidence outside people were ignorant enough to swallow that crap back then. It was understandable when humans didn't know better, but we know better now.

I do not hate you, I do hate any and all naked assertions anyone makes. I do hate the fact that my species has far too much of a tendency to cling to bad claims merely because they are afraid of our finite reality. That "hate" is not of my species, that "hate" is of our species bad use of logic.

 

So put the word "hate" in context when you use it.

 

"Mystery" does not mean the same thing to science as it does to a believer. Just like I hate it when believers twist "law" used by scientists as meaning "law giver". "Law" used in scientific language is NOT implying a factory owner or cosmic cop. "Law" is merely a discriptive term that when scientist see something over and over and over, they use "law" as a discription of observation that does not change.

 

You have a very utopian romatic view of the world and reality is not perfect or romantic even with the pretty and good in it. That is the problem with our species, we have far too much of a desire to hide behind our feelings than to accept reality the way it is. Religion is merely one symptom of fear of reality and protecting one's ego. But it is not just you and it is not just one religion. 

I am sure you love your wife as much as I love my own mother, but that has nothing to do with her knitting merely being knitting. You simply like that feeling of seeing her do that. I get the same feelings when my mom does things I like seeing her do.

 

 

 

 

 

Brian,

I was evidently quoting an unsure source (?) about you hating mystery - you.  

You might sense that if I am right having total confidence in Jesus, God, the Holy Spirit and the Scriptures  you are wrong - and maybe you hate being wrong (I don't know what you hate or who really) - that wouldn't be uncommon though.  

If you are right - I am wrong.  That possibility doesn't concern me at all Brian.  The thing for you to do is make sure you have airtight evidence for what you believe and trust and have confidence in - but consider that the former scientists whose conclusions you now disdain will soon be you by the next.

Jesus, God, The Holy Spirit and The Scriptures give me a flowing stream of evidence every moment every day.  I admit the evidence isn't scientific (which will be outmoded) - it's spiritual, eternal, unseen - yet seen by the eyes of faith, the fire of God which I aim to keep stoked, ashes removed and sword guarded.    

You don't want it, you don't need it, and/so you don't have it.  You've got what you want and I don't want what you've got, you can have it all.  I am showing you the respect of telling you the truth as I see it - not pulling punches because that wouldn't be a favor or the truth.  Accept it or reject it - and what you decide is what you decide.  The heart knows its own bitterness and no stranger shares its joy.    

 

 

 

 

Oh yea, I am well aware that you gullibly drank the Cool Aid. Just like when a kid insists Santa is real.

 

You want it, but you really don't need it, on top of having no evidence for it. 

 

 

Brian,

The conclusion that frank discussion with atheists brings me to is that the atheist' view of life has no substance, so cool aid may indeed be the atheists' breakfast, dinner and supper.  There's a "here today, gone tomorrow" mindset that is supported by faith in speculations that don't explain any of the fundamentals of life, death, why we are here, where we are going.  It's the cool aid dispenser.  

You have no justice in your thinking Brian.  A man kills his wife and kids and himself and you think there is no justice beyond death while drinking your cool aid.  That is your faith and your lie. That's your cool aid.  

The speculations you gather to try to support your ignorance of God and your faith in them don't explain the why or where of life, death or judgment nor do they give you hope.  

So you ridicule and attack the position of faith in God and Scripture and Jesus Who Gives Light to all these things and also offers Salvation from them through faith in Him, The Bread of Life, The Water of Life, The Rock of Refuge, The Lamb of God Who takes away the sins of the world.  There is Real Substance and a Continual Feast.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am sorry that you cannot wrap your brain arround facts, that is your baggage not mine. Our species was around long before humans concocted even writing, much less any holy book. Evolution is even older than our species. The planet is older than our species and 14 billion years ago no religion was around. In the future our planet's core will run out of energy and all life will go extinct. Our species will most likely become excinct long before that happens. Our sun too will have an end as well. The universe will continue with no record of our existence or care that we ever existed.

Now you stupidly think that atheists cannot enjoy the finite time we have? You think stupidly that we need your holy book or invisible sky hero which you have no evidence for, to live now and do good? Cant help you with that. But all you have given me and others here is years of naked assertions. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Brian

You talk about wrapping up the brain with facts... but then you let go a big string of everything BUT facts...billion + years of speculation - furthermore said speculation having no application to future or substance for present.  You haven't said what you're 100% sure of (besides gravity which is not understood in the fine points) so I take it as your scientific faith - here today, outmoded and disproved tomorrow.       

But as you say - the hoppingly happy atheist is going on down the road with a billion hops just like the energizer bunny with no end in sight.      

You haven't touched the question about the supremely unjust atheist view - no wrap up after this life of the things you atheists bring up (that you would never let happen if you were God)  but they do happen while you think death is the jonny end of it all.  

Do you have a distraction to raise about that from your billion year hopeless baggage?  

 

PS (BTW stupidly speaking there seems to be a pregnancy happening on the billion year timeline of speculation along with sock sapient puppet pasting, water muddying and a bad hair day to boot)  

 

 

 

 

Um no, see you like the idea of me being wrong because it allows you to falsely think your comic book explinations allow you to play hero. If you can convince yourself falsely that I am evil, you can play hero. 

The reason you type your answers on a computer isnt because of a god, but because of science. Scientific method is why we know that the earth is not flat. It is why we have put humans on the moon. 

I see nothing evil about accepting that I am finite. It does not take away the time I have now while I am alive. I still find good and joy and empathy. You have been indotcrinated by old myths and convinced yourself falsely that good is a patent invended by a comic book sky hero. I cant stop you from swallowing that garbage. But the reality you don't want to face is that 4 billion years ago humans did not exist and god claims didn't exist. And when our planet dies and sun dies and all life dies on this planet, there will be no record of you or me our any fictional god claim concocted by humans.  That does not preclude me from valuing the finite time I have now. It does not preclude me from empathy. I simply don't swallow myths like you do. 

I am sorry reality is not sexy enough for you. That is your baggage, not mine. I live fine with out fictional gods. 

 

 

 

 

 

Brian,

I don't like the idea of you being wrong or even calling it right or rightly liking wrong wrongly.  And you don't understand the reality of not being your own hero and not even wanting to be when you have The Real Hero.  

Neither do you appear to understand the brain computer preceeded the laptop (the birds preceeded Wright Brothers and bats sonar).  And I haven't seen a laptop yet that can run on a hamburger and french fries.  

And you have no complaints about the injustice you see or the unknown precipice you are shuffling to (and proud of it) - because you treasure the lie you have immersed yourself in, taped together around you, "this old box" you are living in - the cardboard lie that there is no God, no Designer, no Life after Death, no Wrap-up of everything.  

You're ok with injustice and death and all questions because you have your computer to type on and maybe even a little game or something to entertain yourself in your atmospheric lie while you slide the slippery slope.  

BTW I value this present time - you're wrong about that too while you are swallowing the biggest myth that there is - ATHEISM  

 

 

 

Um no, the human brain nor any life for that matter was ever a product manufatured by a fictional super hero like a product in a factory. Life is a result of evolution, not fictional beings humans invent. 

Now, if you think you outlive your body, then take your computer, smash it up into tiny unusable parts, and then observe it and see if it can operate on it's own as if it was still fully in tact. Now you'd have me believe that if the brain dies you survive it's death. Ok, then you should be able (NOT RECOMENDING IT) to blow your own head off with a shotgun and still think as if your brain was in tact. Funny how no one ever wants to conduct that experiment. And as I said, I would not recomend they try.

Evolution is not the product of a being. Evolution is a non congantive process, just like a the conditions that lead to a hurricane are not the result of the ocean god Posiedon. Just like we dont use Thor to explain why lightening happens. 

DNA explains evolution, not a book of myth that has men magically popping out of dirt. All life is finite, just like like the planet and sun. No god or gods required to explain nature or the universe. 

 

Brian37 wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

Brian37 wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

Brian37 wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

Brian37 wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

Brian37 wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

Brian37 wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

 

 

 

magilum wrote:

One of the fundamental differences in our thinking appears to be your satisfaction, if not comfort, in there being mysteries. As though there were this kernel of something that would be destroyed by scrutiny. I think it's because if faith were to be articulated, we would find that at its heart it is ultimately an assertion which we can't satisfactorily justify. And when we frame it this way, as we frame almost everything else in our lives, it feels threatening to our happiness and well-being. Is this good or bad for us? I don't know. My way of thinking is that the more mysteries I unravel the more I can justify what I believe in, because I can explain things. What I'm left with is a much more robust philosophy that I don't have to guard under the auspices of "mystery."

I appreciate your reasonable statement.  There are mysteries in life for all of us.  I also am trying to unravel every mystery I can.  Here is why I am not concerned about living with the type of mystery I mentioned:  If a Man died for me I accept the fact that He loves me and is my friend.  If He does and says things that are a mystery to me I can live with that while I try to understand why.

  

I hate the word "mystery".  It is far too rooted in giving humans an excuse to give up in finding answers. If your desire is to protect your ego, your "mystery" is rooted in avoiding reality. Mysteries are not a virtue. The unknown is something to uncover, not hide behind to coddle our superstitions or case of the warm fuzzies.

 

 

 

Brian,

The baby sweaters my wife knits are a mystery to me - but I don't hate it.  I just marvel at it - and I'm not the least bit interested in unraveling the sweater or the mystery.  

Your hatred of the word "mystery" may instead just be a way to protect your fragile ego from the divine reality of things beyond you (they do exist) not allowing marvel.    

As far as my ego - for me to live is Christ, to die is gain...  (at least that is my focus moment by moment shared with Paul - but I haven't been stoned or beaten lately so it may just be untested talk.  I can't boast putting my armor on as one taking it off).  

You're right there are mysteries meant to uncover.  The Gospel of Jesus Christ was a Mystery Hidden for ages - a Mystery angels and prophets wanted to look into - now It's Revealed.  It's the Glory of God to Conceal Things but the glory of kings is to search Things out.  You would tour royally to search out this mystery.  

And still there are things not revealed that will always be mystery which the perverse and unbelieving use as an excuse to twist and invent straw-self-revelations they then gleefully reject and ego trip on in fake space.  

The door of the Substitutionary death and Resurrection of Christ (being The Truth) would open the door (He IS The DOOR) to uncovering many many mysteries (and that should truly interest you if you're not fooling yourself) - and enables accepting the unrevealed mysteries in real faith and real hope and strength and steadfastness that sees and illuminates and lives beyond death.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

No one has started a religion based on your wife's sweaters. No one is condemning gays or slamming planes into buildings over your wife's sweaters.

Not learning how to knit doesn't make knitting super natural or the product of magic.

 

Now like even some atheists here, you also falsely accuse me of hate and take that out of context.

 

Damned right I hate claims people utter that have no evidence for them. That is a seperate issue than human rights. You have the right to claim your wife's sweaters make ice cream without human help. You have the right to claim the New York Yankees won the Superbowl. That empathy on my part is not just for you, but because I also want the right to say what I want without fear of harm by others.

Still a separate subject, that when you quote a book, or make sound waves with your voice, or type a claim in social media, my concern is EVIDENCE.

I could give one crap less what you like believing and your personal rights as far as government protecting you no one is disputing. But the fact remains you have nothing but an old book of myth full of scientific absurdities and contraditicions written by people who could not have known what we know now. I find absolutely no value in clinging to old books of myth. We have survived fine with no longer buying claims of Apollo, or Isis or Thor. I think our species can move on without your god claims too.

 

We currently do not know scientifically what is beyond the background radiation of the big bang. But incerting claims from a bronze age book of myth full of talking donkeys and men magically popping out of dirt, will never constitute evidence outside people were ignorant enough to swallow that crap back then. It was understandable when humans didn't know better, but we know better now.

I do not hate you, I do hate any and all naked assertions anyone makes. I do hate the fact that my species has far too much of a tendency to cling to bad claims merely because they are afraid of our finite reality. That "hate" is not of my species, that "hate" is of our species bad use of logic.

 

So put the word "hate" in context when you use it.

 

"Mystery" does not mean the same thing to science as it does to a believer. Just like I hate it when believers twist "law" used by scientists as meaning "law giver". "Law" used in scientific language is NOT implying a factory owner or cosmic cop. "Law" is merely a discriptive term that when scientist see something over and over and over, they use "law" as a discription of observation that does not change.

 

You have a very utopian romatic view of the world and reality is not perfect or romantic even with the pretty and good in it. That is the problem with our species, we have far too much of a desire to hide behind our feelings than to accept reality the way it is. Religion is merely one symptom of fear of reality and protecting one's ego. But it is not just you and it is not just one religion. 

I am sure you love your wife as much as I love my own mother, but that has nothing to do with her knitting merely being knitting. You simply like that feeling of seeing her do that. I get the same feelings when my mom does things I like seeing her do.

 

 

 

 

 

Brian,

I was evidently quoting an unsure source (?) about you hating mystery - you.  

You might sense that if I am right having total confidence in Jesus, God, the Holy Spirit and the Scriptures  you are wrong - and maybe you hate being wrong (I don't know what you hate or who really) - that wouldn't be uncommon though.  

If you are right - I am wrong.  That possibility doesn't concern me at all Brian.  The thing for you to do is make sure you have airtight evidence for what you believe and trust and have confidence in - but consider that the former scientists whose conclusions you now disdain will soon be you by the next.

Jesus, God, The Holy Spirit and The Scriptures give me a flowing stream of evidence every moment every day.  I admit the evidence isn't scientific (which will be outmoded) - it's spiritual, eternal, unseen - yet seen by the eyes of faith, the fire of God which I aim to keep stoked, ashes removed and sword guarded.    

You don't want it, you don't need it, and/so you don't have it.  You've got what you want and I don't want what you've got, you can have it all.  I am showing you the respect of telling you the truth as I see it - not pulling punches because that wouldn't be a favor or the truth.  Accept it or reject it - and what you decide is what you decide.  The heart knows its own bitterness and no stranger shares its joy.    

 

 

 

 

Oh yea, I am well aware that you gullibly drank the Cool Aid. Just like when a kid insists Santa is real.

 

You want it, but you really don't need it, on top of having no evidence for it. 

 

 

Brian,

The conclusion that frank discussion with atheists brings me to is that the atheist' view of life has no substance, so cool aid may indeed be the atheists' breakfast, dinner and supper.  There's a "here today, gone tomorrow" mindset that is supported by faith in speculations that don't explain any of the fundamentals of life, death, why we are here, where we are going.  It's the cool aid dispenser.  

You have no justice in your thinking Brian.  A man kills his wife and kids and himself and you think there is no justice beyond death while drinking your cool aid.  That is your faith and your lie. That's your cool aid.  

The speculations you gather to try to support your ignorance of God and your faith in them don't explain the why or where of life, death or judgment nor do they give you hope.  

So you ridicule and attack the position of faith in God and Scripture and Jesus Who Gives Light to all these things and also offers Salvation from them through faith in Him, The Bread of Life, The Water of Life, The Rock of Refuge, The Lamb of God Who takes away the sins of the world.  There is Real Substance and a Continual Feast.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am sorry that you cannot wrap your brain arround facts, that is your baggage not mine. Our species was around long before humans concocted even writing, much less any holy book. Evolution is even older than our species. The planet is older than our species and 14 billion years ago no religion was around. In the future our planet's core will run out of energy and all life will go extinct. Our species will most likely become excinct long before that happens. Our sun too will have an end as well. The universe will continue with no record of our existence or care that we ever existed.

Now you stupidly think that atheists cannot enjoy the finite time we have? You think stupidly that we need your holy book or invisible sky hero which you have no evidence for, to live now and do good? Cant help you with that. But all you have given me and others here is years of naked assertions. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Brian

You talk about wrapping up the brain with facts... but then you let go a big string of everything BUT facts...billion + years of speculation - furthermore said speculation having no application to future or substance for present.  You haven't said what you're 100% sure of (besides gravity which is not understood in the fine points) so I take it as your scientific faith - here today, outmoded and disproved tomorrow.       

But as you say - the hoppingly happy atheist is going on down the road with a billion hops just like the energizer bunny with no end in sight.      

You haven't touched the question about the supremely unjust atheist view - no wrap up after this life of the things you atheists bring up (that you would never let happen if you were God)  but they do happen while you think death is the jonny end of it all.  

Do you have a distraction to raise about that from your billion year hopeless baggage?  

 

PS (BTW stupidly speaking there seems to be a pregnancy happening on the billion year timeline of speculation along with sock sapient puppet pasting, water muddying and a bad hair day to boot)  

 

 

 

 

Um no, see you like the idea of me being wrong because it allows you to falsely think your comic book explinations allow you to play hero. If you can convince yourself falsely that I am evil, you can play hero. 

The reason you type your answers on a computer isnt because of a god, but because of science. Scientific method is why we know that the earth is not flat. It is why we have put humans on the moon. 

I see nothing evil about accepting that I am finite. It does not take away the time I have now while I am alive. I still find good and joy and empathy. You have been indotcrinated by old myths and convinced yourself falsely that good is a patent invended by a comic book sky hero. I cant stop you from swallowing that garbage. But the reality you don't want to face is that 4 billion years ago humans did not exist and god claims didn't exist. And when our planet dies and sun dies and all life dies on this planet, there will be no record of you or me our any fictional god claim concocted by humans.  That does not preclude me from valuing the finite time I have now. It does not preclude me from empathy. I simply don't swallow myths like you do. 

I am sorry reality is not sexy enough for you. That is your baggage, not mine. I live fine with out fictional gods. 

 

 

 

 

 

Brian,

I don't like the idea of you being wrong or even calling it right or rightly liking wrong wrongly.  And you don't understand the reality of not being your own hero and not even wanting to be when you have The Real Hero.  

Neither do you appear to understand the brain computer preceeded the laptop (the birds preceeded Wright Brothers and bats sonar).  And I haven't seen a laptop yet that can run on a hamburger and french fries.  

And you have no complaints about the injustice you see or the unknown precipice you are shuffling to (and proud of it) - because you treasure the lie you have immersed yourself in, taped together around you, "this old box" you are living in - the cardboard lie that there is no God, no Designer, no Life after Death, no Wrap-up of everything.  

You're ok with injustice and death and all questions because you have your computer to type on and maybe even a little game or something to entertain yourself in your atmospheric lie while you slide the slippery slope.  

BTW I value this present time - you're wrong about that too while you are swallowing the biggest myth that there is - ATHEISM  

 

 

 

Um no, the human brain nor any life for that matter was ever a product manufatured by a fictional super hero like a product in a factory. Life is a result of evolution, not fictional beings humans invent. 

Now, if you think you outlive your body, then take your computer, smash it up into tiny unusable parts, and then observe it and see if it can operate on it's own as if it was still fully in tact. Now you'd have me believe that if the brain dies you survive it's death. Ok, then you should be able (NOT RECOMENDING IT) to blow your own head off with a shotgun and still think as if your brain was in tact. Funny how no one ever wants to conduct that experiment. And as I said, I would not recomend they try.

Evolution is not the product of a being. Evolution is a non congantive process, just like a the conditions that lead to a hurricane are not the result of the ocean god Posiedon. Just like we dont use Thor to explain why lightening happens. 

DNA explains evolution, not a book of myth that has men magically popping out of dirt. All life is finite, just like like the planet and sun. No god or gods required to explain nature or the universe. 

 

 

 

Brian,

 

Ok, we've read the funny paper.   Assuming you are right - what becomes of justice for people who commit atrocities then suicide?  Do you believe there is no justice to come?

 

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magilum wrote:

One of the fundamental differences in our thinking appears to be your satisfaction, if not comfort, in there being mysteries. As though there were this kernel of something that would be destroyed by scrutiny. I think it's because if faith were to be articulated, we would find that at its heart it is ultimately an assertion which we can't satisfactorily justify. And when we frame it this way, as we frame almost everything else in our lives, it feels threatening to our happiness and well-being. Is this good or bad for us? I don't know. My way of thinking is that the more mysteries I unravel the more I can justify what I believe in, because I can explain things. What I'm left with is a much more robust philosophy that I don't have to guard under the auspices of "mystery."

I appreciate your reasonable statement.  There are mysteries in life for all of us.  I also am trying to unravel every mystery I can.  Here is why I am not concerned about living with the type of mystery I mentioned:  If a Man died for me I accept the fact that He loves me and is my friend.  If He does and says things that are a mystery to me I can live with that while I try to understand why.

  

I hate the word "mystery".  It is far too rooted in giving humans an excuse to give up in finding answers. If your desire is to protect your ego, your "mystery" is rooted in avoiding reality. Mysteries are not a virtue. The unknown is something to uncover, not hide behind to coddle our superstitions or case of the warm fuzzies.

 

 

 

Brian,

The baby sweaters my wife knits are a mystery to me - but I don't hate it.  I just marvel at it - and I'm not the least bit interested in unraveling the sweater or the mystery.  

Your hatred of the word "mystery" may instead just be a way to protect your fragile ego from the divine reality of things beyond you (they do exist) not allowing marvel.    

As far as my ego - for me to live is Christ, to die is gain...  (at least that is my focus moment by moment shared with Paul - but I haven't been stoned or beaten lately so it may just be untested talk.  I can't boast putting my armor on as one taking it off).  

You're right there are mysteries meant to uncover.  The Gospel of Jesus Christ was a Mystery Hidden for ages - a Mystery angels and prophets wanted to look into - now It's Revealed.  It's the Glory of God to Conceal Things but the glory of kings is to search Things out.  You would tour royally to search out this mystery.  

And still there are things not revealed that will always be mystery which the perverse and unbelieving use as an excuse to twist and invent straw-self-revelations they then gleefully reject and ego trip on in fake space.  

The door of the Substitutionary death and Resurrection of Christ (being The Truth) would open the door (He IS The DOOR) to uncovering many many mysteries (and that should truly interest you if you're not fooling yourself) - and enables accepting the unrevealed mysteries in real faith and real hope and strength and steadfastness that sees and illuminates and lives beyond death.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

No one has started a religion based on your wife's sweaters. No one is condemning gays or slamming planes into buildings over your wife's sweaters.

Not learning how to knit doesn't make knitting super natural or the product of magic.

 

Now like even some atheists here, you also falsely accuse me of hate and take that out of context.

 

Damned right I hate claims people utter that have no evidence for them. That is a seperate issue than human rights. You have the right to claim your wife's sweaters make ice cream without human help. You have the right to claim the New York Yankees won the Superbowl. That empathy on my part is not just for you, but because I also want the right to say what I want without fear of harm by others.

Still a separate subject, that when you quote a book, or make sound waves with your voice, or type a claim in social media, my concern is EVIDENCE.

I could give one crap less what you like believing and your personal rights as far as government protecting you no one is disputing. But the fact remains you have nothing but an old book of myth full of scientific absurdities and contraditicions written by people who could not have known what we know now. I find absolutely no value in clinging to old books of myth. We have survived fine with no longer buying claims of Apollo, or Isis or Thor. I think our species can move on without your god claims too.

 

We currently do not know scientifically what is beyond the background radiation of the big bang. But incerting claims from a bronze age book of myth full of talking donkeys and men magically popping out of dirt, will never constitute evidence outside people were ignorant enough to swallow that crap back then. It was understandable when humans didn't know better, but we know better now.

I do not hate you, I do hate any and all naked assertions anyone makes. I do hate the fact that my species has far too much of a tendency to cling to bad claims merely because they are afraid of our finite reality. That "hate" is not of my species, that "hate" is of our species bad use of logic.

 

So put the word "hate" in context when you use it.

 

"Mystery" does not mean the same thing to science as it does to a believer. Just like I hate it when believers twist "law" used by scientists as meaning "law giver". "Law" used in scientific language is NOT implying a factory owner or cosmic cop. "Law" is merely a discriptive term that when scientist see something over and over and over, they use "law" as a discription of observation that does not change.

 

You have a very utopian romatic view of the world and reality is not perfect or romantic even with the pretty and good in it. That is the problem with our species, we have far too much of a desire to hide behind our feelings than to accept reality the way it is. Religion is merely one symptom of fear of reality and protecting one's ego. But it is not just you and it is not just one religion. 

I am sure you love your wife as much as I love my own mother, but that has nothing to do with her knitting merely being knitting. You simply like that feeling of seeing her do that. I get the same feelings when my mom does things I like seeing her do.

 

 

 

 

 

Brian,

I was evidently quoting an unsure source (?) about you hating mystery - you.  

You might sense that if I am right having total confidence in Jesus, God, the Holy Spirit and the Scriptures  you are wrong - and maybe you hate being wrong (I don't know what you hate or who really) - that wouldn't be uncommon though.  

If you are right - I am wrong.  That possibility doesn't concern me at all Brian.  The thing for you to do is make sure you have airtight evidence for what you believe and trust and have confidence in - but consider that the former scientists whose conclusions you now disdain will soon be you by the next.

Jesus, God, The Holy Spirit and The Scriptures give me a flowing stream of evidence every moment every day.  I admit the evidence isn't scientific (which will be outmoded) - it's spiritual, eternal, unseen - yet seen by the eyes of faith, the fire of God which I aim to keep stoked, ashes removed and sword guarded.    

You don't want it, you don't need it, and/so you don't have it.  You've got what you want and I don't want what you've got, you can have it all.  I am showing you the respect of telling you the truth as I see it - not pulling punches because that wouldn't be a favor or the truth.  Accept it or reject it - and what you decide is what you decide.  The heart knows its own bitterness and no stranger shares its joy.    

 

 

 

 

Oh yea, I am well aware that you gullibly drank the Cool Aid. Just like when a kid insists Santa is real.

 

You want it, but you really don't need it, on top of having no evidence for it. 

 

 

Brian,

The conclusion that frank discussion with atheists brings me to is that the atheist' view of life has no substance, so cool aid may indeed be the atheists' breakfast, dinner and supper.  There's a "here today, gone tomorrow" mindset that is supported by faith in speculations that don't explain any of the fundamentals of life, death, why we are here, where we are going.  It's the cool aid dispenser.  

You have no justice in your thinking Brian.  A man kills his wife and kids and himself and you think there is no justice beyond death while drinking your cool aid.  That is your faith and your lie. That's your cool aid.  

The speculations you gather to try to support your ignorance of God and your faith in them don't explain the why or where of life, death or judgment nor do they give you hope.  

So you ridicule and attack the position of faith in God and Scripture and Jesus Who Gives Light to all these things and also offers Salvation from them through faith in Him, The Bread of Life, The Water of Life, The Rock of Refuge, The Lamb of God Who takes away the sins of the world.  There is Real Substance and a Continual Feast.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am sorry that you cannot wrap your brain arround facts, that is your baggage not mine. Our species was around long before humans concocted even writing, much less any holy book. Evolution is even older than our species. The planet is older than our species and 14 billion years ago no religion was around. In the future our planet's core will run out of energy and all life will go extinct. Our species will most likely become excinct long before that happens. Our sun too will have an end as well. The universe will continue with no record of our existence or care that we ever existed.

Now you stupidly think that atheists cannot enjoy the finite time we have? You think stupidly that we need your holy book or invisible sky hero which you have no evidence for, to live now and do good? Cant help you with that. But all you have given me and others here is years of naked assertions. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Brian

You talk about wrapping up the brain with facts... but then you let go a big string of everything BUT facts...billion + years of speculation - furthermore said speculation having no application to future or substance for present.  You haven't said what you're 100% sure of (besides gravity which is not understood in the fine points) so I take it as your scientific faith - here today, outmoded and disproved tomorrow.       

But as you say - the hoppingly happy atheist is going on down the road with a billion hops just like the energizer bunny with no end in sight.      

You haven't touched the question about the supremely unjust atheist view - no wrap up after this life of the things you atheists bring up (that you would never let happen if you were God)  but they do happen while you think death is the jonny end of it all.  

Do you have a distraction to raise about that from your billion year hopeless baggage?  

 

PS (BTW stupidly speaking there seems to be a pregnancy happening on the billion year timeline of speculation along with sock sapient puppet pasting, water muddying and a bad hair day to boot)  

 

 

 

 

Um no, see you like the idea of me being wrong because it allows you to falsely think your comic book explinations allow you to play hero. If you can convince yourself falsely that I am evil, you can play hero. 

The reason you type your answers on a computer isnt because of a god, but because of science. Scientific method is why we know that the earth is not flat. It is why we have put humans on the moon. 

I see nothing evil about accepting that I am finite. It does not take away the time I have now while I am alive. I still find good and joy and empathy. You have been indotcrinated by old myths and convinced yourself falsely that good is a patent invended by a comic book sky hero. I cant stop you from swallowing that garbage. But the reality you don't want to face is that 4 billion years ago humans did not exist and god claims didn't exist. And when our planet dies and sun dies and all life dies on this planet, there will be no record of you or me our any fictional god claim concocted by humans.  That does not preclude me from valuing the finite time I have now. It does not preclude me from empathy. I simply don't swallow myths like you do. 

I am sorry reality is not sexy enough for you. That is your baggage, not mine. I live fine with out fictional gods. 

 

 

 

 

 

Brian,

I don't like the idea of you being wrong or even calling it right or rightly liking wrong wrongly.  And you don't understand the reality of not being your own hero and not even wanting to be when you have The Real Hero.  

Neither do you appear to understand the brain computer preceeded the laptop (the birds preceeded Wright Brothers and bats sonar).  And I haven't seen a laptop yet that can run on a hamburger and french fries.  

And you have no complaints about the injustice you see or the unknown precipice you are shuffling to (and proud of it) - because you treasure the lie you have immersed yourself in, taped together around you, "this old box" you are living in - the cardboard lie that there is no God, no Designer, no Life after Death, no Wrap-up of everything.  

You're ok with injustice and death and all questions because you have your computer to type on and maybe even a little game or something to entertain yourself in your atmospheric lie while you slide the slippery slope.  

BTW I value this present time - you're wrong about that too while you are swallowing the biggest myth that there is - ATHEISM  

 

 

 

Um no, the human brain nor any life for that matter was ever a product manufatured by a fictional super hero like a product in a factory. Life is a result of evolution, not fictional beings humans invent. 

Now, if you think you outlive your body, then take your computer, smash it up into tiny unusable parts, and then observe it and see if it can operate on it's own as if it was still fully in tact. Now you'd have me believe that if the brain dies you survive it's death. Ok, then you should be able (NOT RECOMENDING IT) to blow your own head off with a shotgun and still think as if your brain was in tact. Funny how no one ever wants to conduct that experiment. And as I said, I would not recomend they try.

Evolution is not the product of a being. Evolution is a non congantive process, just like a the conditions that lead to a hurricane are not the result of the ocean god Posiedon. Just like we dont use Thor to explain why lightening happens. 

DNA explains evolution, not a book of myth that has men magically popping out of dirt. All life is finite, just like like the planet and sun. No god or gods required to explain nature or the universe. 

 

 

 

Brian,

 

Ok, we've read the funny paper.   Assuming you are right - what becomes of justice for people who commit atrocities then suicide?  Do you believe there is no justice to come?

 

Your idea of "justice" is out of a comic book.  Our evolutionary sense of compassion is why we don't like being harmed and is also why we have empathy to the point of not harming others. But in evolution there is a dark side to it where we also can be cruel. Evolution itself is a process and unfortanately both cruelty and compassion work.  The way you treat life the word "justice" is an act of revenge, not a corrective act or an act of containment. Your idea of "justice" is no different than superman vs Lex Luther. My "justice" is rooted in nature based on empathy not comic books.

I gave up on this thread ages ago, but I thought it was time to interject some comments:

Atheists do not 'apply evolution' to anything, they see how evolution can help to explain what is observed.

Compassion and empathy are major factors in explaining how social species, ie species which live and breed in large, co-operative groups, develop mutual positive feelings and behaviours toward other members of tha group. Helping each other overcome problems can assist the survival of members of the group, so the group will tend to evolve in directions which encourage such behaviour. Whatever evolves will be something which increases the viability of the species.

Do you still not understand that simple fact of how evolution works??  A specific mutation which MAY ultimately be part of a significant speciating event cannot be recognized except in retrospect, IOW it is NOT something which can be readily observed by the individuals involved in any given incident, it only emerges over successive generations because some characteristic has a significantly greater probability of enhancing group survival, not necessarily indivual survival, than whatever alternatives are around.

Do you 'get it' yet??

My 'Operating system' simply doesn't include a 'god', even in some metaphorical or symbolic sense,

although since 'god' is a very poorly defined concept,

My life position is based on continually trying to broaden and deepen my knowledge and understand of 'life, the Universe, and everything' , in the immortal words of author Douglas Adams ( &nbsp, by following the latest writings and audio and video commentary on science, the state of society around the world, including the range of beliefs and attitudes held by people.

 Ok, Fonzie,  so obviously you DON'T 'get it'

My 'Operating system' simply doesn't include a 'god', even in some metaphorical or symbolic sense, although since 'god' is a very poorly defined concept, or at least has many different interpretations, I'm sure you can find a version of 'god' which you can fit into what think or assume is my belief system.

The other major point you don't 'get' is that 'Atheism' is not a system in any way that makes sense, it simply means that I don't have a belief in a god of any kind, which in my case means I do not regard the idea of a god as a valid, useful or meaningful idea.

My life position is based on continually trying to broaden and deepen my knowledge and understand of 'life, the Universe, and everything' , in the immortal words of author Douglas Adams ( &nbsp, by following the latest writings and audio and video commentary on science, the state of society around the world, including the range of beliefs and attitudes held by people.

WTF do you mean by "font of ignoring bliss"?? Sure, if you just go with a belief system which maximizes your feeling of 'bliss', but that sounds like just another way of describing a process of closing your eyes and ears to all the things you find unpleasant and/or difficult to reconcile with your basic assumptions about Life, and go with ideas that seem to promise a paradise to come, including 'justifying' your position by the ultimately empty concept of 'faith', ie, an active denial of the need for any kind of objective evidence.

I'm sorry, I have far too strong a commitment to Truth to buy into that whole world of delusion.

¹ The Troll thought haughtily it hath conquered the Iron Chariots of Reason,

² Too blinded by Its own Lithium to consider

³ That mayhaps Its foes hath grown weary with Its, 

⁴ Knowing it woulstd simply ignore anything of substance,

⁵ And spew more fluff, as It hath done all these many years.

⁶ And marinating in Its own Hypocrisy,

⁷ Lo, It spoke of "anything but substance" and "sock puppets"

⁸ When It hath been exiled these many years,

⁹ For offering no substance of its own, 

¹⁰ And hath then returned under false guise,

¹¹ Hiding Its trollish lies and shame beneath Its very own Sock.

 

 

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First we have the metronome of meaningless rhyme then the 100% pregnant funnypaper - the tools of distraction

But we don't have any "truths" that the atheist is totally convinced of - (even with a "commitment to truth" nothing has been loaded in the imaginary chariot)  

The atheist prates he/she has no faith - consequently no certainty about anything.  It's a bragging of doubts - looking ahead doubts and looking back doubts.

Because...realizing honestly man can say in himself nor anything can do for certain - man alone, the atheist alone, pursuing being alone is what he is left with:  himself and uncertainty.  

Speculation he has, but it too is unsure and only speculation.  He dreams and  tries to build faith in himself but realizes in dissipation honestly he has nothing certain to build on   

He attacks that which he does not understand nor perceive to want - faith in God, faith in Christ, the Door to Certainty:  Know God, Know Christ, Know the Master's Voice, Know Life 

 

 

 

 

 

RRSQ community,

I'm replying to myself here because there has been nothing posted that makes any sense.  The proposition that a dedication to facts and evidence has produced a certain path for life is a lie.  There's an effort to hide this with spam-wallpaper, but the fact remains:  the only way to certainty in life is knowing God and faith in God.  As it is written:  "he who through faith is Righteous shall live".  

It is an admission of defeat on the atheists' part.  They have nothing they are sure of.  It's all smoke and mirrors and posting pastings by the sock-puppet of RRSQ disco.  

 

 

 

 

 

Vastet,
Strangers to each other we are indeed.

You're right - I do talk to myself and confront myself - hopefully honestly.

I'm not aware of any qualms such as you mention.  I have known darkness and delusion - light and reality is much better.

If you have the light of reason - I am interested; however, if you and the rest of the forum continue to blank out the answer of what you have come to know for sure in your light of reason it begs the question of who is in darkness and who is running from the glimmer.

Speak so I may know you.

Haughty eyes and a proud heart make for a bad search engine.

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Poor Dana tries to troll the god of trolls, but fails.

 

...can cut and paste like a pro though

   >  Twin miracles consciousness and truth-telling

 

    The Gospel according to Saint Matthew  V : XX  -- ''For I say unto you, That lest your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no wise enter ye into the Kingdom''

 

 

 

 

 2 Timothy 1:7  New King James Version (NKJV)

    ^''For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind ''