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Faith in Jesus works for me - it's exciting. I love the Bible and believe all of it - though there is mystery. There is mystery everywhere though, right? I am a incredibly happy believer in Jesus. I'm not a theologian, I just believe in Jesus.
I understand you can't make anybody believe in Jesus and the Bible, and I don't personally try to do that. But I highly recommend it from my experience with it. I can't get enough of the Bible or Jesus. I can't imagine trying to navigate through life without it at this point in my life.
I don't think Jesus or God is a thing you can prove to somebody. I heard about it a large percentage of my life and it didn't mean anything to me until a certain point - then that all changed.
So do you guys think that I'm fooling myself, not really happy, you don't believe me, or do you really think I can't be as happy or enlightened as you - are you evangelistic in that sense or what? What is the purpose of this site? Do you have something better to offer? If so, what is your gospel?
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Vas,
You really are in need of God - Who could make the impossible understandable. You are trying to take DIY to the level it was never intended (trying to be your own god). You may be a great Canadian as you describe yourself in a false state of pride - thinking you know something yet compared to what there is to know knowing nothing... but you make a lousy god. You have a god that can't do anything, can't come up with anything, doesn't give you understanding of anything - and is in a steady procession to the graveyard which you won't seriously consider (though you will undoubtably see eternity nevertheless). Yet you are convinced that since you are able to say, "here's back at you", and, "that's impossible", and "put God to the test" by coming to God in doubt, saying, "you have to prove Yourself to me before I Vas the proud Canadian who knows about zilch will turn loose of said zilch, his nothing, his nowhere, and his lofty airs and then maybe consider You, the God of all the earth, the Creator of everything Who Spoke the world into existence and sent His Son to Save us.
You think it's impossible for example that Judas had free will yet at the same time God Knew he would betray Christ - and God spoke it long ago through His prophets. God could make everything new for you and you could start down the well lit road of understanding (by His Holy Spirit) - but the fear of The LORD is the beginning of that Knowledge and Wisdom. You have that initial problem which is your ensnared state.
Now for a few words from the adamant slicer and dicer who simply bats it all away yet answers nothing with substance -
and into the cloud it goes............
No, I don't need anything that doesn't exist. You are in desperate need of logic and critical thinking though.
Impossible is impossible, and will always be impossible. It will never be understandable, because it is impossible.
I don't need to try, I AM my own god. Noone and nothing has more power over my past, present, and future than myself.
Only theists have false pride. The arrogance and prideful ego of a theist cannot be matched by anything, anywhere.
And yet, compared to the likes of you, I'm omniscient.
I don't want or need to know everything anyway. Not only would it make existence pointless and boring, it would make me god of everything instead of just myself. That doesn't sound very enjoyable.
No I make an awesome god. It's the false god you preach about that is lousy.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, irrelevant, wrong, and wrong.
It is perfectly reasonable to demand proof of the existence of a god that wants to turn me into a mindless puppet. Especially when that god makes grandiose claims through his followers of superpowers for which no evidence exists. Every single thing you attribute to your god is unproven.
I don't think it is impossible, I know it is impossible. Absolutely impossible. A square cannot be a circle, and fate cannot exist if there is free will. Ironically your extreme stupidity allows me to throw one of the oldest and rehashed atheist arguments in your face. Most theists are smart enough to know your claims are impossible, so they don't make them. But whenever someone as braindead as yourself pops up, the argument becomes valid once more:
According to your logic, god can make a rock so heavy that even he cannot lift it. Thus proving your god is not a god at all.
Congratulations, you just got owned by an argument even older than your god.
I don't fear things that don't exist. I've had an open offer to god to show himself my entire life. The problem would be his, if he existed, not mine.
And now another brief commercial break to ignore, brought by the insane hypocritical fool.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
The Troll-Feedng show was of very poor quality, recycling the same tired dialogue every episode. Yet the Canadian Broadcasting Company continued to to generously support the programme, based on imaginary viewership and ratings.
And it was still too easy...
There are no theists on operating tables.
And now that the insane fool is done talking to himself, we're back!
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Vas,
If you have a god that you can manage and understand - it's not much of a god, in fact it isn't God. In your case you have a lousy god - being yourself - which you even fool yourself into thinking you understand and manage and are a piece of work god. The Real God is beyond you - His Thoughts are not your thoughts, His Ways are not your ways. (not my idea, He Reveals it in His Word Which you unfortunately don't accept or believe and deprive yourself of).
Yet the choice still lies within you at this time. You can still be delivered from the snare you're caught in. You can receive the Gift through faith. Light can arise in darkness - (Light will always win the fight between Light and darkness).
That's your opinion. In reality, understanding and management is irrelevant. Power is all that matters. And I have all the power.
Considering you worship a god which is inferior to me in almost every respect (If it exists. If it doesn't exist then the only thing it has over me is popularity, which I'm ok with), your opinion on my quality is best ridiculed.
Correct. Because I exist, and he doesn't.
Not your idea, the idea of ignorant primitives who understood the world less than a child today does.
Nope. I have lots of things I can choose, but I can't choose to believe in things that don't exist. The day your god proves itself to me is the day I'll start believing in it.
Yes it can, and you can choose the light right now. Come out of the darkness of ignorance and fear and hate. Enter the light of reason and understanding and knowledge. Stop being a slave to people who made things up, and died forgotten, thousands of years ago. Take control of your own life, and see the light for the first time since you were brainwashed into belief as a child.
After these messages, we'll be right back!
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
It was still too easy...
There are no theists on operating tables.
And we're back! We really do apologise for the useless drivel the insane fool keeps posting, but you really can't teach sanity.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Great to see this thread is still trundling on.
A-Extreme,
The precious and sustaining thing in trundling through life on both your side and mine is faith. You are able to forge on with your faith in science, yourself, your poll of atheist thinking, your fatalist philosophy, your disarming wit, whatever. Like the little satellite sailing on past Pluto your science experiment sails through the Universe God Spoke into existence demonstrating the benchmark of non-observance; the non - seeing faithful atheist keeping the lie balloon afloat on the back end of an atheist vacuum cleaner. The difference is close in the heart and mind - the spark of light that opens with, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth".
The eyes of faith can change quickly - with the speed of LIGHT.
Science doesn't require faith.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Vas,
Neither does science exclude faith & marvel in God. Science didn't create the stuff it deals with - though I have seen a guy talking as if he was actually there a million years ago when what he claims happened happened. Funny what a little frisbie, college halls, dull classes and marching to "Pomp and Circumstance" does for the attitude.
Yes actually, it does.
Science is concerned with things that are testable and verifiable, not fairy tales.
So science didn't create the computer you are using? Funny how god couldn't get one built in thousands of years, and then suddenly science comes around and does it in decades.
He might as well have been. The world is covered in stuff that is millions of years old, stuff we can test and understand what things were like back then. Stuff that proves your god is a lie.
Is that why theists are so willfully ignorant? Too much frisbee and vanity, and not enough study?
And now another useless commercial break brought to you by the insane fool.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
The Feeder failed to heed his own words ("ffs Enough"
, and it was still too easy...
There are no theists on operating tables.
And now back to our show!
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Vas,
Ha, that's funny. It's like saying you can't be a carpenter if you can't make a pencil stay on your ear.
You have been blowing about only believing things that can be proved - and this illustrates that? This might illustrate the flawed logic that has led you to your flawed position.
Ridiculous.
Ridiculous.
But then we already established you know nothing about science or faith, and so this result is completely predictable.
And now it's time for another pointless message from the insane fool.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
The Feeder made another pointless reply to another pointless spew of preaching from the Troll, though it was still quite easy...
And soon would follow yet another pointless spew of preaching from the Troll, with another pointless reply from the Feeder, and so on...
There are no theists on operating tables.
And we're back!
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Vas,
And that's really funny. Science hasn't created anything - it just works with created things. As for computers, God created one that will run on peanut butter and jelly or bacon and eggs (early on Vas, before you were ever Canadian conceived, born or became a global expert).
If that is true, you can point at the computer god created to start us off. I'll wait.
Nope, sorry. Life started from chemical reactions, and evolution created the biological computer you are obviously referring to. No god had any role in it at all.
I'll also point out that the brain, while often compared to a computer, is very different from a computer. They really aren't at all the same thing.
Try again.
And now another message to be ignored from the insane fool.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
"ffs Enough"...still too easy...
Now it was time for the Feeder to say "we're back" so the Troll could regurgitate the same preachy blather; so the Feeder could regurgitate the same response; so the imaginary audience could ignoe it again, and son on..
There are no theists on operating tables.
And we're back to our regularly scheduled programme.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Well Vas,
I haven't seen your position anchored in proof like you framed it. Notice that you have only deflected challenges to your position without any scientific proof (it's faith IOW). You are totally wowed and an unadmitted true believer in the false science god
I guess the choice you offer is that we could (like you) put our faith in you and accept all your statements as being true (without proof like you) and hope you have our deliverance and well being in mind along with a good and selfless scientific motive that evolutes into a video wonderland said science has waiting for us if we just click "accept" and you share your password...
"In the beginning God Created the heavens and the earth" works for me. God's Written Word and His Heart Manifested in the Living Word - Jesus Is my choice. I'm all in for Him.
Of course not. You'd have to pull your head out of fantasy land to do that.
Ridiculous.
Ridiculous.
LOL No. Anyone who accepts everything I say as gospel is as dumb as you are (for accepting everything a bunch of primitives said as gospel). I'd hope that people test things themselves. The true, and only, path to enlightenment.
Last I checked I'm not ruling over anyone, so the idea anyone has to be concerned with how selfless I am and whether people's futures are in good hands is laughable. Noones life is in my hands.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
"...ffs Enough...and we're back...still too easy..."
There are no theists on operating tables.
And we're back!
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Drivel is what you peddel. You rightfully blaspeme religion, but scream like whiney little brat when I do the same.
Sanity is giving up on Santa and old comic books. Sanity is accepting the divisive nature the man made comcept religion is.
Hypocrite.
"We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and nonbelievers."Obama
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Oh look, a wild moron appeared! One who can't understand the difference between rational criticism and irrational, ignorant hyperbole!
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Vas,
The space where you live and think is something you are billing as desirable and secure but your reaction to questions about your state of ultimate sanity and proven reality is touchy to the max. The door mat says, "go away".
I get the impression when thoughts come to your mind about the injustices that have always been and in your thinking will never be resolved - you simply say, "ridiculous", or "that fool" and since your lips are with you, you strut on as if you care for nothing in the world...which is what is called "repression". Since you have no answer to thoughts or challenges to your house of cards you diss and dismiss them like a olympic dodge ball champion (video game player that is).
I get the picture that you don't really have anything figured out and that it's empty cynical and hostile space you're defending. Just as about anything valuable can be wrecked with an excavator - any challenge to your empty space can be deflected and treated with inhospitality. You can deflect any question or tear down any scenario with your Komatsu then congratulate yourself for maintaining your no answer empty space.
Of course this query is no different and can be easily dismissed and deflected - stamped "ridiculous", "nothing to see here" and then go back in your hole and pull your hole in after you maintaining nothingness and keeping out anything from all directions.
Since you see no end justice for injustice (beyond death and this life) and have no answer for the eternity that is in your mind - yet not knowing what happened before or will happen after - the sympoms seen I suspect emanate from despair and losing heart yet forging on with a fatalistic philosophy. You're defending a vacuum... that's not even plugged in.
Lol, in my head that was read in a Steve Irwin voice.
If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X
Ha! Nice.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
An insane person like yourself is not well suited to determine the sanity of a sane person like myself. The only regular poster in this thread who is more insane than you is zara.
You also have no comprehension of the actual meaning of the terms 'reality' or 'proven', so your determination of my reaction to your flawed concepts of these terms is meaningless.
lmfao. Unlike you, I actually think. This allows me to identify problems, and solutions to problems. Solutions that actually work. You are a ridiculous fool because you posit problems that don't exist, and offer solutions that wouldn't even work if said problems did exist.
In fact, I care very much about very much in the world. That's why I so vocally oppose oppressive and repressive persons like you. I live here, and I have no intention of allowing your insanity to impact my life and the lives of those I care about any more than is unavoidable.
You only see things that way because you've bought into the religion scam, and consciously avoid anything that could topple your house of cards. When you are defeated absolutely, you ignore it and continue on as if it never happened. Such serves a theist well in a verbal debate, and I'd guess you would do well in one. But the written debate is a very different animal. All my proofs and all your errors are written in stone. You can ignore it all you like, but observers will see right through you. Just like I do.
The fool who surrounds himself with lies and consciously ignores the truth will see emptiness in everything that is full. I have all the answers I need, a great deal more than those like you will ever know. The fatalist is you. The emptiness is in you. I am more full and alive than you will ever comprehend. Unless you turn your back on the darkness within you, you will forever be lost.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
The Feeder deftly countered an attack from the Poet of Dishwater, then demonstrated his sanity again by providing another pointless response (for the sake of his Imaginary Audience) to the Troll's pointless nonsense, which was still quite easy to duplicate...
There are no theists on operating tables.
And the insane fool posts another ignored message that accomplished absolutely nothing. We're back!
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Oh fuck off you idiot, you blaspheme and have used blunt language too. You know damed well god claims are mere human inventons but dont fucking act like you have always responded to theists as if you were in a Harvard library.
"Gods are man made" and ",Bullshit, the Yankees did not win the Superbowl" still amount to responding to bad claims.
"We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and nonbelievers."Obama
Check out my poetry here on Rational Responders Like my poetry thread on Facebook under Brian James Rational Poet, @Brianrrs37 on Twitter and my blog at www.brianjamesrationalpoet.blog
The wild moron snorts and stamps his foot trying to be impressive, but the giant steps on him without even realising the moron is there.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Vas,
...hallucinating, fooling self or just lying about those "proofs written in stone"
I...maybe the observers too... haven't seen them. (is "ridiculous" a proof BTW )
None of the above. Though they may very well apply to you.
Yes you have. You just refuse to admit it. I'll point out that not one serious poster has disagreed with anything I've said, except you. Only the insane fool has attempted to do so as well, but he's trying to parody you, so that really doesn't count. Especially since his arguments are even dumber than yours.
Speaking of which...
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
The Feeder sanely continued his game of regurgitation with the Troll for the benefit of his Imaginary Audience, thought it was still quite easy...
There are no theists on operating tables.
And back to our show.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Vas,
Your "proofs written in stone" whatever and wherever they are (maybe we need to send out a search party) - are based on your faith primarily in yourself the grand puba and a few of your favorite people and things - but it's faith nonetheless. You are connected to your position and make your stand through faith in things you think happened when you weren't there. You think you have rock solid evidence and you have faith in your evidence and your assessment of it. You have "scientists" you like who say what you love and, "boy are they right or what" - your faith is in them. You tell us how smart you are and have faith in your statements about yourself and your intellect. You judge sanity and insanity as it relates to your faith and have faith in that judgment. It's all a piece of work, your work, and you have faith in it and the mystery of it and stand on it and refer to it, tap into the energy eminating from it. I haven't seen your proof of it but that's ok because obviously it's based on your faith in it and about it - not proof, thus you've never trotted out any of your imaginary proof, it's intuitive. Of course you have toadies who share and support your faith but that's not proof, just shared toadie faith.
I admit that I have faith too - faith in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I have faith The Word of God is Inspired by the Spirit of God and is all the Truth we need Revealed to us by The Spirit of God. The men who wrote the Word of God wrote as the Spirit of God Directed them. There are many stories in the Word of God about God's dealing with man, prophecies of the Mystery of Salvation planned before the world was Spoken into existence - and eventually Jesus was born to a virgin, God's Only Begotten Son. He came to Show us the Father. He Is the Embodiment of God in Every Way, The Living Word. I believe Jesus Is God's Son Who Lived A Perfect Life, Died for all the sins of all time for all men who believe in Him and His Redeeming Sacrifice. God Raised Him from the dead and He now Lives an Indestructible Life in His church His body. We, the church, experience fellowship with Him, which is Eternal Life starting now. We share that faith with other believers in Him (just like you share your "no faith faith" with your fellow "no faith-faithers". We share this experience of fellowship with each other and The Risen Christ just like you share your defiance of it with your fellow RRSQ blasphemers. We didn't think this up ourselves however - it is the Mystery hidden for ages now Revealed and all Written in the Word of God. I believe The Word of God is Perfectly True and I believe you are desperately wrong. We'll see eventually won't we in less than 100 years. You have all your chips on your faith (which you could change anytime). I'm putting all mine on faith in JESUS CHRIST, THE LAMB OF GOD WHO TAKES AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD.
No, the proof written in stone is this topic. 88 pages of you getting your ass handed to you by dozens of different people.
Oh I'm sorry, did you forget what the proof referred to? You might want to look back and refresh yourself on the context. It doesn't take faith to read. It just takes reading.
I was there, I am here. The materials are here right now. The dating methods we've developed have never been challenged successfully. You're just ignorant.
Everything I believe in I have rock solid evidence for. No faith necessary.
Nope. I don't trust other people implicitly. I examine things myself. Test them myself. No faith necessary.
You can be smart too. You just have to abandon the book of lies and embrace knowledge. No faith necessary.
Nope. I judge sanity and insanity based on the definitions of the terms, and the scientific knowledge that led to those definitions. I took psychology and tested it. A lot of it is bullshit, and yet a lot of it is demonstrable fact. Sanity is yet tricky to pin down, but insanity is incredibly obvious.
I did have to work to acquire my knowledge, but the knowledge itself isn't mine. It belongs to all of us, and it is waiting for you to just reach out to it.
You have seen my proof, you just refuse to admit it (even to yourself). That's part of why you are demonstrably insane.
It's true that the popularity of a thing isn't proof it is true. That's why I don't judge things based on their popularity. Too bad you can't apply this yourself, and have decided to accept the lies of religion just because it is popular.
The rest of your post is just mindless posturing copy/pasted from millions of other liars. It isn't worth a moment of my time. So I give the floor to the only one here who's even more insane than you. Briefly.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
The pointless feeding of the Troll continued, though it was still quite easy...
There are no theists on operating tables.
And the insane fool has been ignored yet again. We're back!
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Vas,
One thing I think we might agree on is the destructive force religion is. Probably more people have been damned held back and messed up by religion than anything else. People starve while cows are running everywhere, bomb innocents with perverted conviction, bow to pressure of emotion, waste time and are held back and inhibitted by stupid superstition, put faith in an "experience", and are held back in life with the empty idol of "religion" and their parade of it - trying to show how religious they are then putting faith in their empty parade. And some others looking on are fooled and repulsed by the false misrepresentation of what God supposedly wants when it's not that at all and reject without finding the Substance, The Treasure.
In reality Christianity is not a religion - it's Christ. There's no ritual given - it's fellowship with and life in The Real and Living Christ. Instead of an "experience", emotion, ceremony or ritual - it's faith and trust in The Living Christ (The Living Word Who is Life Indeed) and The Word of God (the Written Word which is Bread Indeed) and the accompanying Reality (which is the unseen Eternal Reality) Which bears out the proof of It and is seen through the eyes of faith.
You seem to be confused. You do realise that everything anyone and everyone knows about christ or christianity comes from the religion surrounding it right? That the bible that people cherry picked data to assemble came from the religion? If anything about christ is true, the only source that could be trusted is god himself. And he doesn't speak.
I'd almost be interested to see how the insane fool would respond this time, but there's really no point in giving him an audience.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Only a Fool would say that the Troll's responses were repetitive and formulaic and lacked effort. The only sane thing to do was to regurgitate a serious response from before...
(Bread.)
There are no theists on operating tables.
And the insane fool fails again. We're back!
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Vas,
The nation of Israel started with the faith of Abraham: "Abraham believed God and He reckoned it to him as righteousness." The NT says real Jews are those who have the faith of Abraham. Those without faith (in God) slid into faith in other things (like more and more laws or their Abrahamic bloodline, or how religious they were - NOT).
Christianity is NOT a religion unless you get off course and trust in something besides (or along with) Jesus and His substitutionary Sacrifice - being born again of the water and the Spirit - washed clean by the Water of The Word. It is the Gift of God - The Righteousness of God in Christ to be received through faith and trust in God's Righteousness in Christ Who Comes and Lives in the Christian.
It does get misrepresented (as we are warned in the Word of God) but since eternal life is "knowing Christ" - eternal life has started for us already - getting to know Jesus. We are occupied with joy which makes for fast days.