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  The future's family .. well,  she always with all these unexpected surprises  I take it  . .

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      Feel like I only miss out on getting a chance to say Hi. Havent made it over, which I am so sorry for that  . .

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  LDS  has a different gospel and different view of the 'Divinity' of Christ, so it has been consider, rightly so, a non-christian 'cult'

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Bob,

Again - whether or not JESUS, GOD and the Gift of The Holy Spirit are REAL and dwell in me and I in THEM - all turns on whether or not the Gospel is true.  I have no doubt that it's all true - and furthermore experience it all just like you and I experience gravity with no argument - (except you think your experts understand it and maybe invented it - I don't).

Your knowledge lacks the LIFE that WISDOM (CHRIST) would Breathe into it, and is dead without THIS LIFE, unsatisfying as a phone book.  Maybe the book of Proverbs would encourage you to sign up for a different school.  You can read the brochures for the 2 schools (and the two JANES) in the first 9 chapters - also the school cafeteria menus.  You might have to duck so you don't bump your head.  Also you might have to do violence to yourself in order to check this all out, but the will is the mistress of the heart and soul.     

It was still quite easy...

I can't prove that the people I decide to treat as 'experts' really are, I just keep noting how well what they say fits into what I hear or read from other sources, as well as how what they have said in the past has worked out, as well as noting what other reasonbly knowledgeable people have said about them. And prepare to drop them if their information gets too 'fuzzy'.

What 'daily classes' are you referring to? What 'professors'? You clearly have NO IDEA of what I am talking about.  YOU are the one with the equivalent of a dull, obsolete 'phone-book' to get your information from (the Holey (meaning full of holes) Bible)... and no idea how to judge how reliable any given source is likely to be.

Bob,

It's the expert's hallelujah chorus all praising and honoring and awarding each other.  And how do you know how things have worked out?  Because of the way they LOOK like they have worked out.  There's no chance it could be a staged production - things not as they seem.  I'm in a lot of homes and I can tell you things are not always as they seem just driving by.  

Yeah you have no idea of what I'm talking about and I'm sure I thankfully have no idea what you're talking about as far as experiencing it.   The classes go on with the experts pontificating their expertise - in classes where experts are made from expert - made experts.  I've sat through some of those thrilling events; psychology classes, physics class, chemistry, calculus, art and music appreciation, creative writing.  And I've worked for many of these professors, heads of departments - philosophy and political science, teacher of the year.  Expertise is a many splendored thing Bob.  You make your drive - by calculations and I'll make mine Bible based with no qualms or looking back.   

   * 'Each' post  is  different  . . .

 Addressed to the attention of others and only using Bob's comments as a  backdrop

 Addressed to the attention of others and only using Bob's comments as a  backdrop

"'Forgive me if I am not justified in what I ask,' said
Scrooge, looking intently at the Spirit's robe,' but I see
something strange, and not belonging to yourself, protruding
from your skirts. Is it a foot or a claw.'
 
'It might be a claw, for the flesh there is upon it,' was
the Spirit's sorrowful reply. 'Look here.'
 
From the foldings of its robe, it brought two children;
wretched, abject, frightful. They knelt, the words choked themselves,
to behold them down at its' feet, and clung upon the outside of its garment.
 
'Oh, Man. look here. Look, look, down here.' exclaimed the Ghost.
 
They were a boy and a girl. Yellow, meagre, ragged, scowling,
but prostrate, too, in their insufficiencies & humility. Where
graceful youth should have filled their features out, and
touched them with its freshest tints, a stale and shrivelled
providentially wrought had pinched, and twisted them, and
pulled them into shreds. Where angels might have sat
enthroned, devils lurked, and glared out menacing. No
change, no degradation, no perversion of humanity, in any
grade, through all the mysteries of wonderful creation, has
monsters half so horrible and dread.
 
Scrooge started back, appalled. Having them shown to him
in this way, he tried to say they were fine children, but
the words choked themselves, rather than be parties to a lie
of such enormous magnitude.
 
'Spirit. are they yours.' Scrooge could say no more.
 
'They are Man's,' said the Spirit, looking down upon
them. 'And they cling to me, appealing from their fathers.
This boy is Ignorance. This girl is Want. Beware them both,
and all of their degree, but most of all beware this boy,
for on his brow I see that written which is Doom, unless the
writing be erased. Deny it.' cried the Spirit, stretching out
its hand towards the city. 'Slander those who tell it ye.
Admit it for your factious purposes, and make it worse.
And abide the end.'
 
'Have they no refuge or resource.' cried Scrooge.
 

   - A Christmas Carol, Stave 3: The Second of the Three Spirits

  Maya Angelou (paraphrased) --   ''. . people will oftentimes forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel''

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     The bright blessed day .. the dark sacred night  The bright blessed day .. the dark sacred night
 

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In Saint Paul's 2nd letter to the church at Corinth In Saint Paul's 2nd letter to the church at Corinth

2 Corinthians IV -- "but we having renounced the things hidden because of shame, not walking in craftiness or adulterating the word of God, but by the manifestation of truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in His sight"

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When you rob people of rights and freedoms - don't touch; don't taste; don't handle -- It also appears that the urge for freedom had been there, but is hidden, underground, and could take on a truly more 'subversive' form.

With a historical example being of the 2nd Century Gnostics - -

Gnostic texts (2nd Century) --
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The Apocalypse of Adam

". . fire and (a blinding) mist will come over those aeons, and the eyes of the powers of the illuminators will be darkened, and the aeons will not see them in those days. And great clouds of light will descend, and other clouds of light will come down upon them"

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Don't give up until you drink from the silver cup
Ride that highway in the sky

Don't give up until you drink from the silver cup
Ride that highway in the sky
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The First Apocalypse of James

"Achamoth had no father nor male consort, but she is female from a female. She produced you without a male, since she was alone (and) in ignorance as to what lives through her mother because she thought that she alone existed. But I shall cry out to her mother. And then they will fall into confusion (and) will blame their root and the race of their mother. But you will go up to what is yours [...] you will [...] the Pre-existent One." "through whom you will be redeemed, and (who are) all the sons of Him-who-is - these things they have known and HAVING HIDDEN WITHIN THEM"

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I don't feel I need to make a comment on everything, nor comment on anything anyone has ever made some statement on. Funny thing that!!

Matt. X -- Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that city. Mark VI -- Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

In the accounts written in the earthly ministry of Jesus; recall where the water was turned into wine: ''This beginning of signs Jesus did in Cana of Galilee, and manifested His glory; and His disciples believed ..''

The Troll disdained the Ozzies and their diet of yeast extract.¹  For he believed in the tribal god yahweh, whose followers ate yeast-free matzo as they spent 40 years traveling a few hundred miles of desert.²  And they failed to include marsupials in their flood myth,³ because they were too ignorant at the time to know of other  continents,⁴ let alone they were inhabited with more lifeforms than could fit on their imaginary ark⁵.

And yet, it was still quite easy...⁶

Still stuck, I see, in your fantasy world, with no connection to reality in any form. That's where you end up when you base your "Truth" on something as purely a product of ancient human fantasy and wishful-thinking as ancient (or even modern mash-up versions of) some crazy religious story. Possibly not quite as crazy and repulsive as the stuff some versions go on about 'eating the flesh and drinking the blood' of your imsginary hero.

Obviouly not worth continuing this discussion unless you show some sign of being prepared to give some account of why you bought into your particular version of the Christ myth, instead of just repeating magic phrases from it.

Where the f**k did the bit about me having to re-invent the wheel come from? Or was that just a not-so-subtle hint to me not to take any of your response too seriously... 

Rev 8:1b-c -- there was silence in heaven

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Xth BRAHMANA (paraphrased)

When the person goes away from this world, she comes to the wind. Then the wind makes room for her, like the hole of "a carriage wheel", and through it then mounts higher. She comes to 'the sun'. Then the sun makes room for her, yes, like the hole of a Lambara, and through it he mounts higher, upon the Wheel of Life. When the sun comes to the moon. Then the moon makes room for him, like the hole of a drum, and through it he mounts higher, and arrives at the world where there is no more sorrow, no snow. There they dwell for eternal years.

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Rev 8:1 -- there was silence in heaven

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Wise guy . .

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The silent treatment or "stonewalling" refers to someone who is letting you know that something is wrong without telling you why. Or you can assume all sorts of things when you get the silent treatment. If you ask if anything is wrong, you are met with silence. There is no explanation, no response of any kind, only stony silence. I like to run, where hope reigns, but that is just me.

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*Cry* Surely the apocalypse is soon upon us all

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Dana wrote :: Great flaming wheels of Eternity! *Cry* Surely the apocalypse is soon upon us all ! ''Great flaming wheels of Eternity''

Thankfully the bible has the explanation for this opposition you've received (Thankfully the bible has the explanation for this opposition you've received)

Proverbs XIX - Condemnation is ready for Scoffers, and a real beating for the backs of fools.

2 Timothy 3:1-3 (English Translation)

But understand this: there will be terrifying times in the last days. People will be self-centered and lovers of money, proud, arrogant, haughty, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, irreligious, callous, implacable, slanderous, licentious, brutal, hating of what is good, . .

Job 41
New King James Version (NKJV)

1 “Can you draw out Leviathan with a hook,
Or snare his tongue with a line which you lower?
2 Can you put a reed through his noses,
Or pierce his jaw(s) with a hook?
3 Will he make many supplications to you?
Will he speak softly to you?
4 Will he make a covenant with you?
Will you take him as a servant forever?
5 Will you play with him as with a bird,
Or will you leash him for your maidens?
6 Will your companions make a banquet of him?
Will they apportion him among the merchants?
7 Can you fill his skin with harpoons,
15 His rows of scales are his pride,
Shut up tightly as with a seal;
16 One is so near another
That no air can come between them;
17 They are joined one to another,
They stick together and cannot be parted.
18 His sneezings flash forth light,
And his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning.
19 Out of his mouth go burning lights;
Sparks of fire shoot out.
20 Smoke goes out of his nostrils,
As from a boiling pot and burning rushes.
21 His breath kindles coals,
And a flame goes out of his mouth.
29 Darts are regarded as straw;
He laughs at the threat of javelins.
33 On earth there is nothing like him,
Which is made without fear.
34 He beholds every high thing;
Leviathan is king over all the children of pride.”

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The Judge warns, May I remind you are still under oath. [Leela sighs.] LEELA once swore ''Your Honour, it's all true: My female incompetence, Zapp's cat-like reflexes, the stuff that made no sense to you, all of it, all of it is true!''

It was still quite easy...

 > (Lurkers)  Trying honestly to see from the other person’s point of view ?

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 > How hard are we trying honestly to see things from the other person’s point of view ?

   Reminder  --  I'm Only responsible for what I say, not for what you understand!!

       ZEAL not tempered by the golden rule (or love) can make the most devout often the most dangerous. It was Judas Iscariot, the plotting backstabber  of the Passion  and Judas Iscariot was a zealot

It was Judas Iscariot, and Judas Iscariot was a zealot
 

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See where I took this Uploaded Image from esoteric gnosticism. Thought I'd share, it truly has such interesting symbolism . . .

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It was still quite easy...

    I guess this is a 'bulletin board' for ideas (, or a Bulletin Board~galore)

The Pole Star and the Seven Rishis

The Pole Star and the Seven Rishis (originally from the Srimad-Bhagavatam, a commentary of a Hindu religious text)

Tell Us a Story

by C. Friedman

Long ago, King Uttanapada had two queens. His first wife was Sunita, who was kind and gentle and who gave birth to a boy she named Dhruva. The king's other wife was Suruchi. She was young and beautiful and her son was Uttama. By rights, Dhruva would be the one to take his father's place as king when he was grown. But Suruchi was determined to make her own son king, and so she and Uttama worked to make Uttama the favorite son. One day, when Dhruva was 5 years old, the two princes were playing together when King Uttanapada entered the room. The boys raced toward him, but before they reached his side, Uttama began to taunt Dhruva and said, "Can't you see the way he loves me better? You weren't born to the proper queen." Uttama's taunts went on: "If you wish to be loved, you will have to go to see the great god Vishnu, preserver of the world, to ask for a blessing." Dhruva was terribly upset, but afterward his mother tried to console him. "Come, my child," she said. "Perhaps your half-brother is right. Let us send you to seek a blessing from the Lord." There seemed nothing else to do, and so Dhruva set off on a long journey into the forest. He was determined to win his rightful place in his father's affections. As he walked, the divine sage known as Narada noticed the boy's firm determination. Narada, wise and mischievous, decided he must help the boy. And so he appeared before Dhruva. "Do not be so hard on yourself," The great sage Narada told Dhruva: My dear boy, you are only a little boy of five years whose attachment is to sports and icky girls and other frivolities. Why are you so affected by words insulting your honor ? What's with the dissatisfaction. This kind of dissatisfaction is another feature of the illusory energy; every living entity is controlled by his previous actions, and therefore there are different varieties of life for enjoying or suffering. But, He would not return home without seeking Vishnu's blessing. And when Narada understood this, he decided he would take the child under his guidance. "I will teach you the rituals and mantras you will need to know if you are to survive such a quest," he said. Dhruva's lessons began, and they were difficult, but nothing seemed to alter his determination. He memorized and even gave up food and water for months, with his mind fixed upon seeing the Lord. His concentration was so very fierce and so focused, his meditations shook the very Earth. Nearby, the Seven Rishis, or sages -- also known as the Saptarishis -- were meditating, and they could not imagine a person who could possess so much power in meditation. When they discovered it was only a boy, they surrounded him and prayed for him. After a while, Indra, king of the gods, began to worry that the boy may wish to have his throne in the heavens. He decided he must try to distract Dhruva from his meditation, and so he took the form of the boy's mother and appeared before him. "Please, son, come home. I miss you too terribly," said Indra in disguise. But Dhruva's concentration was so great, he did not even hear. And so Indra decided he must try another distraction, and he sent snakes and monsters and spiders to the spot in the forest where Dhruva sat. But the boy remained still and calm, thinking only of his Lord. At long last, after many months of this, Vishnu himself felt the strength of the boy's meditation, and he knew he must grant him any wish. Lord Vishnu came down to the forest, stood before Dhruva and said, "I, Lord Vishnu, am here. I have heard your desires. What do you want?" But Dhruva only smiled. He did not move. By this time, he had overcome all his desires, except to be heard by the Lord. He had forgotten even the objective that had sent him into the forest, and now he wished only to live a life in memory of Lord Vishnu. Vishnu granted his wish, and he decided the boy would attain Dhruvapada -- that is, he would become a celestial body, untouched by the world. Dhruva returned to his kingdom, where his family welcomed him, and when he was 6, he attained the crown. For the next decades, he ruled, and he was a fair and just king. After this, Vishnu placed him in the sky, high above the world, far from jealousy and evil and competition. As for the Saptarishis, or seven rishis, who had protected him on Earth, Vishnu turned them into stars as well. These he placed around the star called Dhruva. All these centuries later, if you look at up the sky, you can see the star known as Dhruva Tara -- Dhruva Star -- though some call this unmoving body the pole star. And you can see the seven stars moving slowly around it in the constellation known as Saptarishi, or the Great Bear.

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  Labeled Misc. --  I just found this too cute . . .

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   You're not very bright, in the end ? Now are you ?!??  Are you about done ?!??? At what point is 'nice' no longer called for ?!? Whatever!?!! Sir "badge holder" !! You know (0P), be very careful, Lying about a person or making up false allegations is a serious matter. It might be prudent, for anyone of us, to stop all your speculating based solely on whatever I've posted and simply stop (as in just STOP)!! In a word it's about time you "repented of it" . . "if you all struggle with the Truth of this" it might be because of two things, for some people. One -- You do NOT have any knowledge of life on this board. You stay in your little cave and wait for people to come to you. Which is as 'ridiculous, on a grand scale', as if you were asking people to literally spoon feed you every meal. There are times when nobody would believe for a second, you were over the age of 35, bub!! Besides, Where do you get off ?!!!!?!!! And Two -- You have no idea, including the lurkers, just who on this board has even ever used a Sock puppet. Ironically, especially for this 0P, we come to this stupidity once again!! Note: Who has used them, well, it's was almost ALWAYS exclusively proselytizers, underneath, of those who came to the board! Who sooner or later seem to get deeply frustrated; then, act like a bunch of five year olds, and then decide they want a "new start". So, Instead of earning the right to be heard, 'they' violate the Forum's rules and use what's known as a Sock-puppet (ex. Mr. Jeano, Pa/Twd39, and about five others).

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  There  IS an answer  . .

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And "Now" with this video . . it's fun again

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It was still quite easy...

Bob,

It's not "confidence in confidence" - it's confidence in Jesus.  I can't explain something I don't understand myself (as to how I came to faith in Christ).  It's somewhat of a mystery to me how it came about.  

And I didn't and don't claim to be infallible (not sure where you came up with that).  It is however important that a person is able to live and act without doubts because to do something having doubt would not be acting in faith.  I am testing the Object of my faith every day and Jesus proves worthy of my total faith, confidence, assurance.  I guess you are testing the object (s) of your faith every day too?  

It's important that you find something you can have total faith in under constant testing.  I have.  And I have decided as I said that Jesus is TRUE - actually the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Since my faith in Jesus is testing out every day as Right, my confidence in Him is increasing (in His Words, His History, His Righteousness, His Sacrifice and His Promises for the future).  

As far as the question - what about other guys that claim to be something.  Neither you nor I are infallible but we each need to decide Who and What are worthy of that total confidence.  I have made my choice - Jesus.  You are making and testing your choice.  I can't choose for you or tell you how to come to my conclusion.  I can only tell you how great it is...to me.  You tell me how great your choice is but my choice is so great to me I'm not the least interested in your choice - which you haven't been able to adequately describe.  The thing about it is, it's serious.  We want to be fully assured about What or Who we are putting all our faith and confidence in.  I am sure myself.  I have no doubts in Jesus.  

The other question about how God governs the universe (as described in the Word of God) is not a question I can answer.  I don't know why Jesus had to die to pay for all the sins of mankind for all time, being the Perfect Lamb of God.  But it does show how serious sin is to God.  Plus, it shows how serious God is about His Own Justice - if anybody could have found a way around Jesus' Death God could; in fact, Jesus said, "If it is possible let this cup pass from Me".  It wasn't possible.  I didn't design this Bob but I accept it.  Whether or not you accept it is up to you.  

As far as Hell, I would say this:  We don't want to wait until we understand why there's a Hell when it's too late to accept the Gift of Grace in Christ's substitutionary death.  You can talk big now about it (and if it's not true why bother BTW) but you won't then on the Day of the LORD.  

Salvation is a Gift from God (Grace).  You can mock it - the Bible says it is foolishness to those being lost but to us being saved it is the Power of God.   

It was still quite easy...

Bob,

One thing that continually supports my choice of God, Jesus and the Bible is that It is All One.  It is All The Master's Voice Throughout.  It All Is in Harmony, going the same direction.

Abraham "believed GOD and GOD counted it (his faith) as righteousness".  Abraham wasn't infallable either BTW nor did he claim to be.  But faith is a flame that requires the whole being of man - physical and spiritual - to maintain.  Sin would bring on darkness.  With no spiritual food the flame of faith would go out.  Blessed is the man to whom the LORD doesn't recon sin because of his faith.  

You remember the account where God ask Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac, "on a mount I will show you" - which turned out to be the mount on which the temple was to eventually be built.  Abraham obeyed and was ready to slay his son when God stopped him - there was a ram caught in the thicket provided as a substitute.  Abraham believed if he did sacrifice his son God was able to raise him from the dead - so, in effect he received Isaac as if back from the dead (a picture clue of what was to come).  What God stopped Abraham from doing He was pleased Himself to do - it pleased God to bruise Him, Jesus "became sin for us", the mystery hidden for ages was revealed, Jesus became sin for us and solved man's main problem:  man had fallen, was spiritually dead, man had lost his God.  God bought us back and paid the Price Himself in Christ.  

At the point Jesus died the curtain in the temple was torn from top to bottom opening the way into the Holy Place to all.  Before only the High Priest went into the Holy Place - only once a year - and he took a sacrifice to pay the interest until Jesus came and paid the principle.  In Christ we all are priests, saints and have access to God (in Christ).  

On the first Pentecost (50 days after the first Passover) God wrote His Law on tablets of stone on Mount Sinai.  On the last Pentecost (50 days after JESUS THE PASSOVER LAMB, THE LAMB OF GOD THAT TAKES AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD was Sacrificed) God started writing His Law on human hearts.  I have no need of proof therefore from man because as Scripture says, "you shall all Know Me".  God and Christ and The Holy Spirit come and make Their Home in us, and we walk in the Light of The Spirit.  We know the Way we are going.  

When I was "born anew" I was given the promised, "Gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts the first), even though I was a baby in Christ and didn't even know it for a long time.  I was as vulnerable as a lamb among wolves - but I had something going for me:  THE SHEPHERD.  I have been guided and taken care of by THE GOOD SHEPHERD all these years, have fed on the Bread that is Bread Indeed:  the Holy Scriptures.  I have my own Eternal Spring (the Spirit)  refreshing me.  I also have had the Light of the Holy Spirit on my path and though I am not the brightest bulb on the tree I Know my Master's Voice.  I have read some of those other books you mentioned and they're not my Master's Voice - thus I'm not the least concerned about them.  You can sort it out for yourself and make your choice.  I've made mine.  

It was still quite easy...

Sorry, it is still you who have it wrong again: was not saying or assuming you were in an environment of "truly walking by faith in Christ in the Light of the Spirit", just that (I assumed) you were in an environment  that was much more strongly oriented toward religious observance of some kind than I was. Are you saying that the culture you were surrounded by was athesistic/skeptical? If so, I do apologise.

While it is true that some areas of Science do not obviously conflict with all religious teachings, there is certainly strong conflict with some religious views, such as Creationism and belief in the Biblical Flood. You are already conceding that your beliefs conflict with the cuurent theories about the origin of the Universe, which do have a much firmer grounding than you want to imply, so please stop denying that your beliefs conflict with Science. I thought you were better informed than fools like Ken Ham. We don't need to observe some event in the here-and-now to have justified confidence that we have useful knowledge about it. If you don't accept that, you clearly do NOT understand or accept Science. You further demonstrate your wilful refusal to accept the reality that many people leave faith and belief behind after considering their position much more seriously and carefully than before.

I may have to concede that your reply here suggests I was a bit optimistic in assuming I really understood where you are coming from.

You still clearly don't understand my position - I do not have a "research project" in any sense; you are still stuck on this erroneous assumption. You certainly have no conception of what my life "is all about". For example, I certainly don't just look for people that "say what I want to hear"; I believe that ones ideas need to be continually tested against different ideas held by other people.

Bob,

You seem to state that if I don't have faith (your faith) I can't understand or accept  science (your science).  

...which is not true about science because science isn't God; but the principle DOES HOLD with understanding and accepting Jesus, God, Truth, the Gospel and the Bible.  You can't understand that since you don't believe God or believe in God.  He therefore hasn't  Lit it up for you.   Scientifically speaking - you have an absence of LIGHT on the whole subject.  

In this case however you are not dealing with a hammered out science book but THE LIVING GOD Who Knows everything about you and deals with you respectfully, justly and honestly.  You are snared with the cords of your sin.  He offers the solution to the real problem.  And it's not rocket science Bob.  Shut off the magnetic shield and listen.     

It is the Glory of God to conceal things - but the glory of kings is to search things out.