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Faith in Jesus works for me - it's exciting. I love the Bible and believe all of it - though there is mystery. There is mystery everywhere though, right? I am a incredibly happy believer in Jesus. I'm not a theologian, I just believe in Jesus.
I understand you can't make anybody believe in Jesus and the Bible, and I don't personally try to do that. But I highly recommend it from my experience with it. I can't get enough of the Bible or Jesus. I can't imagine trying to navigate through life without it at this point in my life.
I don't think Jesus or God is a thing you can prove to somebody. I heard about it a large percentage of my life and it didn't mean anything to me until a certain point - then that all changed.
So do you guys think that I'm fooling myself, not really happy, you don't believe me, or do you really think I can't be as happy or enlightened as you - are you evangelistic in that sense or what? What is the purpose of this site? Do you have something better to offer? If so, what is your gospel?
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Offline I can't get enough of the Bible or Jesus. I can't imagine trying to navigate through life without it at this point in my life.
That's codependency.
Autonomy and interdependency are infinitely better.
What is the purpose of this site?
It's an open forum for anyone, but also a place to discuss defensives against theists who behave in ways that are counter to the American Constitutional rights, to freedom from religion, and against individual human rights.
Do you have something better to offer?
It's not a religion, or a franchise.
There's no competition.
If so, what is your gospel?
You seem to be confused about non theistic individuals who think independantly...
I keep asking myself " Are they just playin' stupid, or are they just plain stupid?..."
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy" : David Brooks
" Only on the subject of God can smart people still imagine that they reap the fruits of human intelligence even as they plow them under." : Sam Harris
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Offline Fonzie is simply a typical nut who thinks if we don't have the exact answer then it should be attributed to a "god". Rather than look for an answer himself it is so much easier to give credit to nothing.
Lazy people taking time out to defend..lazy and being rewarded for it in their own head ><
Faith is the word but next to that snugged up closely "lie's" the want.
"By simple common sense I don't believe in god, in none."-Charlie Chaplin
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Offline I heard a big bang over in the next trailer court and went over to see what happened. I think the explosion occurred in a dumpster and the super fast expansion and in the ensuing post inflation a hot soup of electrons and quarks combined with neutrons, helium gas and the atoms, (mostly hydrogen and helium) allowing light to shine - the hinges on top were a little stuck but I oiled them and it booted up.
I'm looking for answers in places where answers are - not ruling out reason or brains. There are more answers in one honk than the whole atheist electromagnetic interaction and spectroscopy.
sounds like goulash to me, Fonzie. Photons are usually released when electrons unload energy, tho they can be absorbed by atomic structures as well. Further, it's a bit silly to suggest electromagnetism and spectroscopy are atheistic in any conceivable way. You should be in mind that if your god is real, he's the ultimate empiricist, the ultimate scientist. The universe, made of virtually nothing tho it may be, nevertheless has form that may be detected and comprehended.
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
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Offline Fonzie wrote:I heard a big bang over in the next trailer court and went over to see what happened. I think the explosion occurred in a dumpster and the super fast expansion and in the ensuing post inflation a hot soup of electrons and quarks combined with neutrons, helium gas and the atoms, (mostly hydrogen and helium) allowing light to shine - the hinges on top were a little stuck but I oiled them and it booted up.
I'm looking for answers in places where answers are - not ruling out reason or brains. There are more answers in one honk than the whole atheist electromagnetic interaction and spectroscopy.
sounds like goulash to me, Fonzie. Photons are usually released when electrons unload energy, tho they can be absorbed by atomic structures as well. Further, it's a bit silly to suggest electromagnetism and spectroscopy are atheistic in any conceivable way. You should be in mind that if your god is real, he's the ultimate empiricist, the ultimate scientist. The universe, made of virtually nothing tho it may be, nevertheless has form that may be detected and comprehended.
AE,
Yeah, I just wanted to check in with you and see if I'm getting the hang of "only trusting in things that are proven and logical". Your insight response on it lifts the soupy puzzle fog of life even more. I was having a little trouble thinking independently here (thanks again to your insight) concerning the unholy relationship between the squad shipment of photons' absorbing ions through light emitting atomic structure. Now that I know the trusted facts I can build on the empirical evidence and maybe eventually even come up with a song for TG - that wouldn't be much of a challenge leap.
Any idea on those drones? I'm still looking for the antithesis of acquiescence on how implausible it is that those feathers (let's hold the eyes) came through the hot antimatter - rushing apart and beginning to cool around 10^-43 seconds into equal asymmetrical matter and anti-matter, (I know it was a very very long time ago, actually a long exponent ago, but... So there's the feather question if you could please clear that up and then how Bernoulli's principle was being successful with this matter imbalance - how did the drones achieve flight with non-uniform mass? Maybe you could clear that up (put an "eye" on that) with the wave/particle duality - the honk thing? First fuel? Is the V related? It's great to know the rational facts - if you can't test it - it's not science! But as Harley says, when you realize the science behind all these things, it's no big mystery - it's easy to understand!
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Offline Lol, yeah, electromagnetism is atheistic. *facepalm* Alright, Fonzie, repeat after me.
"I'm not omnisicient. I don't know everything. There are things I don't understand. Just because I don't understand something doesn't mean it's nonsensical."
Okay, now you try.
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
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Offline Except that now you've left open the "Just because you can't understand God doesn't make him nonsensical" counter.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
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Offline But no one has shown there is a god or really any evidence of a need for such a thing except to somehow make people "special"
Faith is the word but next to that snugged up closely "lie's" the want.
"By simple common sense I don't believe in god, in none."-Charlie Chaplin
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Offline I just wanted to check in with you and see if I'm getting the hang of "only trusting in things that are proven and logical".
Well, like they say on Mythbusters...
Who/what mislead you to *cough* believe that reality was 'logical'?...
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I keep asking myself " Are they just playin' stupid, or are they just plain stupid?..."
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy" : David Brooks
" Only on the subject of God can smart people still imagine that they reap the fruits of human intelligence even as they plow them under." : Sam Harris
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Offline Except that now you've left open the "Just because you can't understand God doesn't make him nonsensical" counter.
Hah, that just misses the point. But, I guess he might say that. He doesn't care much for "points."
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
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Offline jcgadfly wrote:Except that now you've left open the "Just because you can't understand God doesn't make him nonsensical" counter.Hah, that just misses the point. But, I guess he might say that. He doesn't care much for "points."
butt,
I just finished reading Psalms and this last one is I think a discovery you might be interested in. See if this isn't the BIG BANG you've been looking for/
Praise the LORD!
Praise God in His sanctuary;
praise Him in His mighty firmamant!
Praise Him for His mighty deeds;
praise Him according to His exceeding greatness!
Praise Him with trumpet sound;
praise Him with lute and harp!
Praise Him with timbrel and dance;
praise Him with strings and pipe!
Praise Him with loud clashing cymbals!
Let everything that breathes praise the LORD!
Praise the LORD!
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Offline butterbattle wrote:jcgadfly wrote:Except that now you've left open the "Just because you can't understand God doesn't make him nonsensical" counter.Hah, that just misses the point. But, I guess he might say that. He doesn't care much for "points."
butt,
I just finished reading Psalms and this last one is I think a discovery you might be interested in. See if this isn't the BIG BANG you've been looking for/
Praise the LORD!
Praise God in His sanctuary;
praise Him in His mighty firmamant!
Praise Him for His mighty deeds;
praise Him according to His exceeding greatness!
Praise Him with trumpet sound;
praise Him with lute and harp!
Praise Him with timbrel and dance;
praise Him with strings and pipe!
Praise Him with loud clashing cymbals!
Let everything that breathes praise the LORD!
Praise the LORD!
What does your God having such a weak ego that he needs constant praise have to do with anything?
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
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Offline I just finished reading Psalms and this last one is I think a discovery you might be interested in. See if this isn't the BIG BANG you've been looking for
Who's looking for a what now ?
Praise the LORD!
Which one ?
Or to put it another way : what sort of mood are you in today ?
Praise God in His sanctuary;praise Him in His mighty firmamant!
Praise Him for His mighty deeds;
praise Him according to His exceeding greatness!
Praise Him with trumpet sound;
praise Him with lute and harp!
Praise Him with timbrel and dance;
praise Him with strings and pipe!
Praise Him with loud clashing cymbals!
Let everything that breathes praise the LORD!
Praise the LORD!
If quoting the bible counts as making a point, then let's save some time and quote the whole thing, shall we ?
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/www/Bible/
There you go. The whole thing. No more need for any further quotes.
I guess we can all go home now.
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Offline butt,
I just finished reading Psalms and this last one is I think a discovery you might be interested in. See if this isn't the BIG BANG you've been looking for/
Praise the LORD!
Praise God in His sanctuary;
praise Him in His mighty firmamant!
Praise Him for His mighty deeds;
praise Him according to His exceeding greatness!
Praise Him with trumpet sound;
praise Him with lute and harp!
Praise Him with timbrel and dance;
praise Him with strings and pipe!
Praise Him with loud clashing cymbals!
Let everything that breathes praise the LORD!
Praise the LORD!
Fonzie, you refuse still to answer simple 'a' or 'b' questions, namely: Did you create the "what faith you" thread? That would be the thread titled "what faith you"; created by the user named "mephibosheth" on September 6, 2007 - 5:57pm, and which can be found here.
If you will not respond to the simplest of questions in a forthright manner, it is fruitless for you to continue discussion. Dishonesty and intellectual cowardice does not work for me.There are no theists on operating tables.
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Offline Which one ?
Well, you yours and me Mine. It's evident you atheists have a god - also evident what his/her nature is. It comes through all your conversation.
I guess we can all go home now.
I think we are home to a certain degree - even on the appropriate streets.
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Offline Anonymouse wrote:Which one ?
Well, you yours and me Mine. It's evident you atheists have a god - also evident what his/her nature is. It comes through all your conversation.
Anonymouse wrote:
I guess we can all go home now.
I think we are home to a certain degree - even on the appropriate streets.
Fish And Whistle Lyrics
Artist(Band):
John Prine
I been thinking lately about the people I meet
The carwash on the corner and the hole in the street
The way my ankles hurt with shoes on my feet
I'm wondering if I'm gonna see tomorrow
CHORUS
Father forgive us for what we must do
You forgive us and we'll forgive you
We'll forgive each other 'til we both turn blue
And we'll whistle and go fishing in the heavens
I was in the army but I never dug a trench
I used to bust my nuckles on a monkey wrench
I'd go to town and drink and give the girls a pinch
I don't think they ever even noticed me
CHORUS
Fish and whistle, whistle and fish
Eat everything that they put on your dish
When we get through we'll make a big wish
That we never have to do this again, again? again??
On my very first job I said thank-you and please
They made me scrub a parking lot down on my knees
Then I got fired for being scared of bees
And they only give me fifty cents an hour
CHORUS
Fish and whistle, whistle and fish
Eat everything that they put on your dish
When we get through we'll make a big wish
That we never have to do this again, again? again??
CHORUS
We'll whistle and go fishing in the heavens
We'll whistle and go fishing in the heavens
I heard Allah and Buddha were singing at the Savior's feast
And up the sky and Arabian rabbi
Fed Quaker oats to a priest.
Pretty good, not bad, they can't complain
Cause actually all them gods is just about the same
Pretty good, not bad, I can't complain
Cause actually everything is just about the same
"You can't write a chord ugly enough to say what you want to say sometimes, so you have to rely on a giraffe filled with whip cream."--Frank Zappa
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Offline Anonymouse wrote:Which one ?
Well, you yours and me Mine. It's evident you atheists have a god - also evident what his/her nature is. It comes through all your conversation.
Anonymouse wrote:
I guess we can all go home now.
I think we are home to a certain degree - even on the appropriate streets.
How can you tell atheism has a God, fonzie/meph? Our honest answers? Our willingness to be accountable for our actions? The way we don't threaten with punishment those who disagree with us?
Or is it the near saintly patience we've shown dealing with you?
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
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Offline Well, you yours and me Mine.
Since I was quoting you, I was wondering which one of yours it was. You seem to have so many, depending on your mood.
It's evident you atheists have a god
Unless you read our replies to that endlessly repeated assertion of yours.
Then it becomes a litttle less evident.
- also evident what his/her nature is.
At this point, you're talking about the imaginary atheists who live in your head.
Since you prefer talking to them (ie yourself) rather than us, why are you still here ?
(Btw, if a mod would like to answer that question for me, please do)
It comes through all your conversation.
How would you know ? You never listen or reply or answer. You just lie. Or spout non-sequiturs. Here comes another one :
I think we are home to a certain degree - even on the appropriate streets.
The point was that everything has been said too many times already.
You want to jerk people around by pretending you want to have a discussion ?
Well, we've obliged you for over three years.
Enough is enough.
Go away.
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Offline It's evident you atheists have a god - also evident what his/her nature is.
His projection power......
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
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It's evident you atheists have a god - also evident what his/her nature is. It comes through all your conversation.
Our natures are evident - we are prepared to talk to some one who insists we are immoral because we don't accept his unsubstantiated threat-based fallacy - and we generally aren't too insulting. So absolutely. Our natures are clear to see.
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
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Offline Hi Fonzy,
You kind of got in here a little wimpy. As a result you got ran over and chewed on and spit back out. These guys on here are ruthless and know there is a God despite them not admitting it (Romans 1:18). Thus God is allowing them to sin like animals so that He can store up His wrath against them.
Your issue on mystery was a little retarded. Not everything is a mystery. This sounds like you're Roman Catholics. Roman Catholics thrown that word around all the time -mystery.
Look, God may use you. I would encourage you to ask for the fruit of boldness. These guys all love me even though they don't admit it. And I've completely demolished ALL of their arguments I addressed. And yet they continue not to admit it. Probably pride or embarrassment.
If you are a Roman Catholic, then you are not a Christian. But if you are a Chrisitan, next time take the gloves off. Remember, you'll dealling with perverts.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
A Rational Christian of Intelligence (rare)with a valid and sound justification for my epistemology and a logical refutation for those with logical fallacies and false worldviews upon their normative of thinking in retrospect to objective normative(s). This is only understood via the imago dei in which we all are.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
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Offline Remember, you're dealling with perverts.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
You're the expert on that stuff.
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
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Offline A Rational Christian of Intelligence (rare)with a valid and sound justification for my epistemology and a logical refutation for those with logical fallacies and false worldviews upon their normative of thinking in retrospect to objective normative(s). This is only understood via the imago dei in which we all are.
The problem with trying to prove something exists, when it doesn't, is that it's insane. And there are too many insane people. So, it's only normal...
Remember, you'll dealling with perverts.
I just fucking love it when you people so openly admit that you're sexually repressed.
You don't even understand how much fucking hotter 'taboo' sex is.
I keep asking myself " Are they just playin' stupid, or are they just plain stupid?..."
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy" : David Brooks
" Only on the subject of God can smart people still imagine that they reap the fruits of human intelligence even as they plow them under." : Sam Harris
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Offline Hi Fonzy,
You kind of got in here a little wimpy. As a result you got ran over and chewed on and spit back out. These guys on here are ruthless and know there is a God despite them not admitting it (Romans 1:18). Thus God is allowing them to sin like animals so that He can store up His wrath against them.
Your issue on mystery was a little retarded. Not everything is a mystery. This sounds like you're Roman Catholics. Roman Catholics thrown that word around all the time -mystery.
Look, God may use you. I would encourage you to ask for the fruit of boldness. These guys all love me even though they don't admit it. And I've completely demolished ALL of their arguments I addressed. And yet they continue not to admit it. Probably pride or embarrassment.
If you are a Roman Catholic, then you are not a Christian. But if you are a Chrisitan, next time take the gloves off. Remember, you'll dealling with perverts.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
Says the person who is deriving satisfaction from what he believes his God did in Japan.
You've demolished all the arguments you've addressed, Jean? How do you go through life being unable to count to one?
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
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Offline But no one has shown there is a god or really any evidence of a need for such a thing except to somehow make people "special"
That and they also do not want to admit that people are only extra special to people, just as slugs are only extra special to slugs.
Cogito, ergo sum: I perceive, thus I do sums.
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Offline Hi JCG,
God didn't do the earthquake. Again, He created the evil for the devil to do it.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
A Rational Christian of Intelligence (rare)with a valid and sound justification for my epistemology and a logical refutation for those with logical fallacies and false worldviews upon their normative of thinking in retrospect to objective normative(s). This is only understood via the imago dei in which we all are.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
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Offline Re-read the bible jean, no where does the devil cause any natural disasters, plagues - god, flooding - god, destruction of towns - god, earthquakes - god. It's all attributed to god, not to the devil.
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Offline Hi Latin,
You're an expert on theology now? LoL.
You are absolutely wrong. Have you ever read the Book of Job? It was God who permitted Satan to do evil on Job. And boy did he ever. Yet Job continued to praise God.
Read the book. It's the oldest book in the world.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
A Rational Christian of Intelligence (rare)with a valid and sound justification for my epistemology and a logical refutation for those with logical fallacies and false worldviews upon their normative of thinking in retrospect to objective normative(s). This is only understood via the imago dei in which we all are.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
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Offline Hi Latin,
You're an expert on theology now? LoL.
You are absolutely wrong. Have you ever read the Book of Job? It was God who permitted Satan to do evil on Job. And boy did he ever. Yet Job continued to praise God.
Read the book. It's the oldest book in the world.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
Yet satan did god's bidding, so it was god who ordered it. Much like today when a dictator orders his army to do kill his own people the dictator is also guilty of murder, much like god is, satan did god's bidding. However your changing subjects, even better your contradicting yourself from your own statement that god causes earthquakes, so is it god or the devil on god's orders? Make up your mind jean, wait your a believer you can't make up your mind, you need someone to tell you what to think, sorry I forgot.
(edit) show me where satan causes a natural disaster without god's permission.
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Offline Hi Latin,
So you admit that your original statement was wrong. Yes, God ordered it would be acceptable. But He did not do it. He simply created the evil (Is. 45:7) in order for Satan to carry it out.
You originally denied that Satan is the agent of evil. I quoted Job. So are you man enough to admit that you were originally wrong? I doubt it.
The dictatorship army stuff is a false analogy. God is perfect, so everything he does is thus perfect. Human dictators do not.
Though God does have an army of angles that will assist in your wrath. They will be the ones that toss you in the pit of hell on judgement. day.
Satan also has an army of demons. They will be used to torment you forever.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
A Rational Christian of Intelligence (rare)with a valid and sound justification for my epistemology and a logical refutation for those with logical fallacies and false worldviews upon their normative of thinking in retrospect to objective normative(s). This is only understood via the imago dei in which we all are.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
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Offline Hi Latin,
So you admit that your original statement was wrong. Yes, God ordered it would be acceptable. But He did not do it. He simply created the evil (Is. 45:7) in order for Satan to carry it out.
You originally denied that Satan is the agent of evil. I quoted Job. So are you man enough to admit that you were originally wrong? I doubt it.
The dictatorship army stuff is a false analogy. God is perfect, so everything he does is thus perfect. Human dictators do not.
Though God does have an army of angles that will assist in your wrath. They will be the ones that toss you in the pit of hell on judgement. day.
Satan also has an army of demons. They will be used to torment you forever.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
Nope I am still correct, the devil does nothing of his own will and accord, he does everything as per god, god orders and he does it, at no point does satan cause a natural disaster on his own for shits and giggles. It is always on gods order. The analogy is a perfect example because god is flawed, god is a creation of mankind, as such god has all the flaws of man, anger, jealousy, pettiness etc, etc, etc.n You can claim he is perfect, but alas god is not.
However I see you still avoid answering my question. Thank you for proving me right.
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Offline Hi Latin,
After you refuted yourself, you then say you never refuted yourself. If you were a toad and a princess gave you a kiss, you would turn into a question mark with legs.
Job says that Satan carried out the evil of Job. It's an example of how things work. It's one thing to not believe in Christianity, but you are misrepresenting Biblical Christianity.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
A Rational Christian of Intelligence (rare)with a valid and sound justification for my epistemology and a logical refutation for those with logical fallacies and false worldviews upon their normative of thinking in retrospect to objective normative(s). This is only understood via the imago dei in which we all are.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
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Offline Hi JCG,
God didn't do the earthquake. Again, He created the evil for the devil to do it.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
And he created the Devil - so you're back to "God did it". In fact, God needed the devil far more than man did. God's plan could not have come to pass without his creating the devil.
Funny that you mention Job. Latin is correct. Satan did the work God created him for at God's command. All because Satan essentially insulted Yahweh's penis size. The only one refuted is you - again.
I still don't get why you derive so much pleasure from the earthquake and tsunami.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
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Offline Hi Latin,
After you refuted yourself, you then say you never refuted yourself. If you were a toad and a princess gave you a kiss, you would turn into a question mark with legs.
Job says that Satan carried out the evil of Job. It's an example of how things work. It's one thing to not believe in Christianity, but you are misrepresenting Biblical Christianity.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
Show me where I refuted myself, my statement is still correct, satan never causes a natural disaster that isn't at god's will. You have yet to show me otherwise. You have yet to refute my statement. Even better you have refuted your own statement that god causes all earthquakes in the other thread. So jean can you actually not contradict yourself so badly, is it god or is it satan?
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Offline Don't you wish you could have hot sex like us, Jean? You can't even masturbate. The epitome of your means of sexual expression is being turned on by Youtube videos of Japanese towns being washed over by the tsunami, hah.
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
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Offline Hi JCG,
God didn't do the earthquake. Again, He created the evil for the devil to do it.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
So now plate tectonics is the work of satan.
I suppose you understand what a convection current is and you know the earth's core is molten? Next time you're having an italian dinner put a pyrex saucepan on the stove and whack a handful of rigatoni inside. When the pasta gets waterlogged watch how it starts to ride the convection currents in the pot. See how it falls at the edges and goes to bottom of the pan before rising back up to the surface in the centre and being pushed out to the sides of the pot?
Yeah, that's pretty much how convection drives plate tectonics. Given Japan is the edge of a plate you get sudden seismic slips as plates catch on each other until huge pressure builds up and they slip again. As a geology student I know 90 per cent of earthquake activity takes place in the PacRim. Funny that god's lesson seems to be restricted by the nature of geological formations, isn't it?
P.S. Oh - sorry. Italian cooking is the work of satan. I see where I went wrong.
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
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Offline Jean Chauvin wrote:Hi JCG,
God didn't do the earthquake. Again, He created the evil for the devil to do it.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
So now plate tectonics is the work of satan.
I suppose you understand what a convection current is and you know the earth's core is molten? Next time you're having an italian dinner put a pyrex saucepan on the stove and whack a handful of rigatoni inside. When the pasta gets waterlogged watch how it starts to ride the convection currents in the pot. See how it falls at the edges and goes to bottom of the pan before rising back up to the surface in the centre and being pushed out to the sides of the pot?
Yeah, that's pretty much how convection drives plate tectonics. Given Japan is the edge of a plate you get sudden seismic slips as plates catch on each other until huge pressure builds up and they slip again. As a geology student I know 90 per cent of earthquake activity takes place in the PacRim. Funny that god's lesson seems to be restricted by the nature of geological formations, isn't it?
P.S. Oh - sorry. Italian cooking is the work of satan. I see where I went wrong.
In other words, Jean, we can add science to the things that you know nothing about.
The list so far:
1. Logic
2. The Bible
3. Geology
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
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Offline In other words, Jean, we can add science to the things that you know nothing about.
The list so far:
1. Logic
2. The Bible
3. Geology
4. Grammar
5. Syntax error
6. Placebo
I keep asking myself " Are they just playin' stupid, or are they just plain stupid?..."
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy" : David Brooks
" Only on the subject of God can smart people still imagine that they reap the fruits of human intelligence even as they plow them under." : Sam Harris
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Offline Next time you're having an italian dinner put a pyrex saucepan on the stove and whack a handful of rigatoni inside. When the pasta gets waterlogged watch how it starts to ride the convection currents in the pot. See how it falls at the edges and goes to bottom of the pan before rising back up to the surface in the centre and being pushed out to the sides of the pot?Yeah, that's pretty much how convection drives plate tectonics. Given Japan is the edge of a plate you get sudden seismic slips as plates catch on each other until huge pressure builds up and they slip again. As a geology student I know 90 per cent of earthquake activity takes place in the PacRim. Funny that god's lesson seems to be restricted by the nature of geological formations, isn't it?
P.S. Oh - sorry. Italian cooking is the work of satan. I see where I went wrong.
AE Italian,
Why is it you don't just throw your dinner together with a "big bang" there AE? Why all this planning, knowledge, understanding and observing and hovering over the face of the deep pyrex saucepan? Why let there be this gathering of info and comparing convection currents? Is there a Italian designer/planner behind this table (complete with currents and plates) set before us? Hmmmm?
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Offline If he used an expanding singularity to make rigatoni, I think it would be quite messy....and dangerous.
Why doesn't your god make spaghetti appear on my table right now? I'd like him to poof some spaghetti into existence please. Let's see it. And it better be al dente.
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Offline Atheistextremist wrote:Next time you're having an italian dinner put a pyrex saucepan on the stove and whack a handful of rigatoni inside. When the pasta gets waterlogged watch how it starts to ride the convection currents in the pot. See how it falls at the edges and goes to bottom of the pan before rising back up to the surface in the centre and being pushed out to the sides of the pot?Yeah, that's pretty much how convection drives plate tectonics. Given Japan is the edge of a plate you get sudden seismic slips as plates catch on each other until huge pressure builds up and they slip again. As a geology student I know 90 per cent of earthquake activity takes place in the PacRim. Funny that god's lesson seems to be restricted by the nature of geological formations, isn't it?
P.S. Oh - sorry. Italian cooking is the work of satan. I see where I went wrong.
AE Italian,
Why is it you don't just throw your dinner together with a "big bang" there AE? Why all this planning, knowledge, understanding and observing and hovering over the face of the deep pyrex saucepan? Why let there be this gathering of info and comparing convection currents? Is there a Italian designer/planner behind this table (complete with currents and plates) set before us? Hmmmm?
Fonzie/Meph came back to help Jean - maybe you two can put your heads together and come up with an argument.
The old design/designer argument again? Are you sure you want to go there?
If you want to claim God designed everything you also have to accept he's done a piss poor job of it.
Wait, God designed you to be a liar didn't he Fonzie/meph? Never mind.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
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Offline God designed Fonzie to be a liar.
Fonzie says God exists.
I'll wait for your head to explode.
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
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Offline If he used an expanding singularity to make rigatoni, I think it would be quite messy....and dangerous.
Why doesn't your god make spaghetti appear on my table right now? I'd like him to poof some spaghetti into existence please. Let's see it. And it better be al dente.
Clarin,
Al dente is the way I like it. But God doesn't need to come personally for al dente - He has provided a skilled wife to do that, and more! There is the false idea that the best war strategy against want would be provide everything gratis - but it has been shown to only destroy the wanters. Consider the wisdom of God in not providing your spaghetti, your kitchen, buns, oven - or maybe were you expecting ... shoes?
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Offline Al dente is the way I like it. But God doesn't need to come personally for al dente -
He needs to come personally for al dente, if he wants me to believe he exists.
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Offline Hi CIARIN,
Are you a Christian or a Witch? Not sure.
God doesn't have to do anything. If He wants you to believe you WILL believe. God is sovereign over your will because you don't have a free will.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
A Rational Christian of Intelligence (rare)with a valid and sound justification for my epistemology and a logical refutation for those with logical fallacies and false worldviews upon their normative of thinking in retrospect to objective normative(s). This is only understood via the imago dei in which we all are.
Respectfully,
Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).
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Tell you what, fonzie.
You answer zara's question and zara will answer yours.
You want to show who isn't the intellectual coward - you take the first step.
Simple task really, O lord of lithium.
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— George Carlin
"You can't write a chord ugly enough to say what you want to say sometimes, so you have to rely on a giraffe filled with whip cream."--Frank Zappa
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McFly, TG and red -
I just saw some drones, serious flying machines. They can refuel themselves, land and takeoff without assistance, avoid other aircraft - and they have a fuel-saving feature that takes advantage of the rolling wave of air from the lead aircraft allowing a 70% increase in fuel efficiency, plus they can produce additional aircraft.
I have a laptop here that can show them in flight from different angles and speed. My laptop has no designer - (it does have wi-fi though). I heard a big bang over in the next trailer court and went over to see what happened. I think the explosion occurred in a dumpster and the super fast expansion and in the ensuing post inflation a hot soup of electrons and quarks combined with neutrons, helium gas and the atoms, (mostly hydrogen and helium) allowing light to shine - the hinges on top were a little stuck but I oiled them and it booted up.
I'm looking for answers in places where answers are - not ruling out reason or brains. There are more answers in one honk than the whole atheist electromagnetic interaction and spectroscopy.
So zara need not answer your question, Lithium Lad.
No one asked you for the answer to everything - just an answer to a question about YOU.
You claim to have a god that can lead you through the valley of the shadow of death without fear but he can't lead you into one honest answer?
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
The Queen of Light took her bow and then she turned to go
The Prince of Peace embraced the gloom and walked the night alone
Oh, dance in the dark night, sing to the morning light
The Dark Lord rides in force tonight, and time will tell us all
Oh, throw down your plow and hoe, race now to my bow
Side by side we wait the might, of the darkest of them all
I hear the horses thunder down in the valley below
I'm waiting for the angels of Avalon, waiting for the eastern glow
The apples of the valley hold the seeds of happiness
The ground is rich from tender care, which they do not forget, no, no
Dance in the dark night, sing to the morning light
The apples turn to brown and black, the tyrant's face is red
Oh, war is the common cry, pick up your swords and fly
The sky is filled with good and bad, mortals never know
Oh well, the night is long, the beads of time pass slow
Tired eyes on the sunrise, waiting for the eastern glow
The pain of war cannot exceed the woe of aftermath
The drums will shake the castle wall, the Ringwraiths ride in black (ride on)
Sing as you raise your bow, (ride on) shoot straighter than before
No comfort has the fire at night that lights the face so cold
Oh, dance in the dark night, sing to the morning light
The magic runes are writ in gold to bring the balance back, bring it back
At last the sun is shining, the clouds of blue roll by
With flames from the dragon of darkness, the sunlight blinds his eyes
Oh, bring it back, bring it back...
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you refuse still to answer simple 'a' or 'b' questions, namely: Did you create the "what faith you" thread? That would be the thread titled "what faith you"; created by the user named "mephibosheth" on September 6, 2007 - 5:57pm, and which can be found here.
If you will not respond to the simplest of questions in a forthright manner, it is fruitless for you to continue discussion. Dishonesty and intellectual cowardice does not work for me.
There are no theists on operating tables.