Fonzie wrote:

It sounds like that you're putting a lot of faith there in that fungus you and your scientists are feeding.  It won't supply your every need.  There have been infinite other such efforts to satisfy - marathon efforts; "...I built houses and planted vineyards for myself; I made myself gardens and parks, and planted in them all kinds of fruit growing trees.  I bought male and female slaves, and had slaves who were born in my house; I had also great possessions of herds and flocks, more than any who had been before me in Jerusalem.  I also gathered for myself silver and gold and the treasure of kings and provinces; I got singers, both men and women, and many concubines, man's delight."  (Harley might want to take a look at this)   "....Then I considered all that my hands had done and the toil I had spent in doing it, and behold, all was vanity and a striving after wind, and there was nothing to be gained under the sun." 

There's only One perfect thing that will satisfy:  the Love of Christ.  If you want to be truly scientific you won't let this challenge stay a remote thing with you - you'll check Him out up close and from every angle.  You won't base your conclusions on another's  experiments.  You'll conduct it yourself. 

Take a break from your Collider and find out what a real collision can be.

 

I tried the challenge and wasted years of my life and academic career looking at him up close and personal from every angle. he was tried and found wanting. ..wanting existence that is.  It is unlikely that a highly mythological character can love you apart from living in his fictional world of 2000 years ago.  Then perhaps you can experience that narrative and fictional love.  But that is usually called delusion and is treatable.

 

TGBaker wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

It sounds like that you're putting a lot of faith there in that fungus you and your scientists are feeding.  It won't supply your every need.  There have been infinite other such efforts to satisfy - marathon efforts; "...I built houses and planted vineyards for myself; I made myself gardens and parks, and planted in them all kinds of fruit growing trees.  I bought male and female slaves, and had slaves who were born in my house; I had also great possessions of herds and flocks, more than any who had been before me in Jerusalem.  I also gathered for myself silver and gold and the treasure of kings and provinces; I got singers, both men and women, and many concubines, man's delight."  (Harley might want to take a look at this)   "....Then I considered all that my hands had done and the toil I had spent in doing it, and behold, all was vanity and a striving after wind, and there was nothing to be gained under the sun." 

There's only One perfect thing that will satisfy:  the Love of Christ.  If you want to be truly scientific you won't let this challenge stay a remote thing with you - you'll check Him out up close and from every angle.  You won't base your conclusions on another's  experiments.  You'll conduct it yourself. 

Take a break from your Collider and find out what a real collision can be.

 

I tried the challenge and wasted years of my life and academic career looking at him up close and personal from every angle. he was tried and found wanting. ..wanting existence that is.  It is unlikely that a highly mythological character can love you apart from living in his fictional world of 2000 years ago.  Then perhaps you can experience that narrative and fictional love.  But that is usually called delusion and is treatable.

 

 

TG,

My experience is totally different than yours.  How is your antidotal story evidence?

You may be the atheist I have been looking for.  Please tell me how atheism has enriched and fulfilled your life.  Also, since your "time wasted" what have and are you doing that is valuable? 

 

 

 

TGBaker wrote:

My morals and ethics are based upon the well-being of myself and others rather than primitive dictates of stoning children and women who loose their virginity out of wedlock. I am not deluded into preparing for another future world so I can focus on this one.  I spent 20 years as a social worker helping the needy, a period of time as an adult probation office dealing with felons, 10 years as a substance abuse counselor and a therapist as for a life styles group. I did 11 years of working in child abuse as a social worker and an investigator.  I was an assistant director of a children's shelter and "pastor' for a group that explored spirituality without the context of religion.  I raise my 2 year old and play guitar continue to do my research and address folks like here.

 

 

 

TG,

 

If Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, the Savior of all those who believe in Him - you have not counseled people in the way they should go.

 

 

If Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, the Savior of all those who believe in Him - you have not counseled people in the way they should go.

Fonzie wrote:

 If Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, the Savior of all those who believe in Him - you have not counseled people in the way they should go. 

 

He has made an error?

According to whom?

Fonzie wrote:

TGBaker wrote:

My morals and ethics are based upon the well-being of myself and others rather than primitive dictates of stoning children and women who loose their virginity out of wedlock. I am not deluded into preparing for another future world so I can focus on this one.  I spent 20 years as a social worker helping the needy, a period of time as an adult probation office dealing with felons, 10 years as a substance abuse counselor and a therapist as for a life styles group. I did 11 years of working in child abuse as a social worker and an investigator.  I was an assistant director of a children's shelter and "pastor' for a group that explored spirituality without the context of religion.  I raise my 2 year old and play guitar continue to do my research and address folks like here.

 

TG,

 

If Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, the Savior of all those who believe in Him - you have not counseled people in the way they should go.

 

But since he isn't  you are causing considerable damage by you counseling them in the way they should not go.  Do you oppose stem cell research, believe homosexuals are going to hell, believe anyone that does not believe as you do is going to hell. Do you support Israel because you believe the Temple should be built so that jesus can come again?  Do you oppose abortion in all cases believing that life begins at conception? Do you teach that a woman is to be subservient to her husband and silent in the churches?  Do you teach an after life which causes people to make terrible decisions in neglecting this life?  Do you oppose good old rock and roll because its from Satan? To spread the meme of unwarranted guilt over normal sexual drives teaching the horrors of masturbation to kids in puberty? Do you see people who do not believe in Christ as agents or under the spell of Satan? Are Jews, Buddhists, Hindus etc.' gonna burn in hell and are they agents of Satan?

To spread the meme of unwarranted guilt over normal sexual drives teaching the horrors of masturbation to kids in puberty?  

I am 100% sure beyond any doubt whatsoever that Jesus Christ is LORD

TGBaker wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

TGBaker wrote:

My morals and ethics are based upon the well-being of myself and others rather than primitive dictates of stoning children and women who loose their virginity out of wedlock. I am not deluded into preparing for another future world so I can focus on this one.  I spent 20 years as a social worker helping the needy, a period of time as an adult probation office dealing with felons, 10 years as a substance abuse counselor and a therapist as for a life styles group. I did 11 years of working in child abuse as a social worker and an investigator.  I was an assistant director of a children's shelter and "pastor' for a group that explored spirituality without the context of religion.  I raise my 2 year old and play guitar continue to do my research and address folks like here.

 

 

TG,

If Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, the Savior of all those who believe in Him - you have not counseled people in the way they should go.

 

But since he isn't  you are causing considerable damage by you counseling them in the way they should not go.  Do you oppose stem cell research, believe homosexuals are going to hell, believe anyone that does not believe as you do is going to hell. Do you support Israel because you believe the Temple should be built so that jesus can come again?  Do you oppose abortion in all cases believing that life begins at conception? Do you teach that a woman is to be subservient to her husband and silent in the churches?  Do you teach an after life which causes people to make terrible decisions in neglecting this life?  Do you oppose good old rock and roll because its from Satan? To spread the meme of unwarranted guilt over normal sexual drives teaching the horrors of masturbation to kids in puberty? Do you see people who do not believe in Christ as agents or under the spell of Satan? Are Jews, Buddhists, Hindus etc.' gonna burn in hell and are they agents of Satan?

 

 

TG,

I am 100% sure beyond any doubt whatsoever that Jesus Christ is LORD, died for the sins of those who believe in Him - of which I am fortunately one.  I have been born again into Him - the desire to have the gift and the gift of grace itself is all to God's glory and all God's work.  It isn't based on merit whatsoever.  I believe in Christ, have been baptized into Christ, and I am saved.  The desire I had to come to Him was also all His work.  You have faith Christ doesn't exist (100%?).  One of us is wrong. 

You have mentioned a bunch of things I don't want to get into (which was the Holy Spirit's advice to Timothy through Paul) because the things you have mentioned don't relate to taking hold of the Life that is in Christ.  The solution to man's problem is not politics.  The solution is also not world wealth.  The solution is also not to be found in the wisdom of men - what is falsely called knowledge. 

The thing Paul told Timothy to take hold of was:  "eternal life".  Eternal life is "knowing Christ".  Paul also told Timothy there is going to be a fight involved doing this - not against men (as in me against you) but against powers, principalities, Satan.  This is a spiritual war fought with spiritual weapons, but the goal is not to moralize the world (as in "vote Satan out) or to come up with a poll of what most people think - but take hold of the Life that is Life Indeed - Christ.  I have this life within me and don't aim to let go.  I have Christ's promise He won't let me go.  I am as I said on the lower streets of heaven.  It's the same eternal life here.  if you don't get hold of it here you won't have it there. 

What God says about your version (or my version) of righteousness is that it is like filthy rags to God.  The only righteousness that is acceptable is God's Righteousness - which is the Gift of Grace through Jesus Christ, the sacrifice of the Lamb of God.  His blood fills the bath that we all must wash in to be acceptable to God, and it is all God's work.  We do nothing to accomplish salvation.  So there is nothing to boast about - but simply a gift to share. 

Your description of your impression of Christianity shows you have never seen it as it is.  Pray for eyes to see. 

 

 

TGBaker wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

TGBaker wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

TGBaker wrote:

My morals and ethics are based upon the well-being of myself and others rather than primitive dictates of stoning children and women who loose their virginity out of wedlock. I am not deluded into preparing for another future world so I can focus on this one.  I spent 20 years as a social worker helping the needy, a period of time as an adult probation office dealing with felons, 10 years as a substance abuse counselor and a therapist as for a life styles group. I did 11 years of working in child abuse as a social worker and an investigator.  I was an assistant director of a children's shelter and "pastor' for a group that explored spirituality without the context of religion.  I raise my 2 year old and play guitar continue to do my research and address folks like here.

 

TG,

If Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, the Savior of all those who believe in Him - you have not counseled people in the way they should go.

 

But since he isn't  you are causing considerable damage by you counseling them in the way they should not go.  Do you oppose stem cell research, believe homosexuals are going to hell, believe anyone that does not believe as you do is going to hell. Do you support Israel because you believe the Temple should be built so that jesus can come again?  Do you oppose abortion in all cases believing that life begins at conception? Do you teach that a woman is to be subservient to her husband and silent in the churches?  Do you teach an after life which causes people to make terrible decisions in neglecting this life?  Do you oppose good old rock and roll because its from Satan? To spread the meme of unwarranted guilt over normal sexual drives teaching the horrors of masturbation to kids in puberty? Do you see people who do not believe in Christ as agents or under the spell of Satan? Are Jews, Buddhists, Hindus etc.' gonna burn in hell and are they agents of Satan?

 

 

TG,

I am 100% sure beyond any doubt whatsoever that Jesus Christ is LORD, died for the sins of those who believe in Him - of which I am fortunately one.  I have been born again into Him - the desire to have the gift and the gift of grace itself is all to God's glory and all God's work.  It isn't based on merit whatsoever.  I believe in Christ, have been baptized into Christ, and I am saved.  The desire I had to come to Him was also all His work.  You have faith Christ doesn't exist (100%?).  One of us is wrong. 

You have mentioned a bunch of things I don't want to get into (which was the Holy Spirit's advice to Timothy through Paul) because the things you have mentioned don't relate to taking hold of the Life that is in Christ.  The solution to man's problem is not politics.  The solution is also not world wealth.  The solution is also not to be found in the wisdom of men - what is falsely called knowledge. 

The thing Paul told Timothy to take hold of was:  "eternal life".  Eternal life is "knowing Christ".  Paul also told Timothy there is going to be a fight involved doing this - not against men (as in me against you) but against powers, principalities, Satan.  This is a spiritual war fought with spiritual weapons, but the goal is not to moralize the world (as in "vote Satan out) or to come up with a poll of what most people think - but take hold of the Life that is Life Indeed - Christ.  I have this life within me and don't aim to let go.  I have Christ's promise He won't let me go.  I am as I said on the lower streets of heaven.  It's the same eternal life here.  if you don't get hold of it here you won't have it there. 

What God says about your version (or my version) of righteousness is that it is like filthy rags to God.  The only righteousness that is acceptable is God's Righteousness - which is the Gift of Grace through Jesus Christ, the sacrifice of the Lamb of God.  His blood fills the bath that we all must wash in to be acceptable to God, and it is all God's work.  We do nothing to accomplish salvation.  So there is nothing to boast about - but simply a gift to share. 

Your description of your impression of Christianity shows you have never seen it as it is.  Pray for eyes to see. 

 

 

Your subjective 100% certainty beyond a reasonable doubt is unreasonable and the definition of delusion. It does not matter how you feel. I can introduce you to a guy that gets messages from the TV that are coded about how he should live. He is 100% sure beyond a reasonable doubt. Your belief or anyone else's does not verify, validate or confirm what you say. You can not stay on subject. The question is not my brand of righteousness but whether yours is a delusion or not.

 

 

You mentioned "a bunch" of things that you don't want to get into because they will show the true nature of your religious presuppositions, hatred and bigotry. That has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with leftover fossils within a rotting religion that reveals a skeleton of racial hatred, gender suppression and slavery, sexual obsession and dysfunction. You simply follow an old tribal war god veiled in many masks of deception.  The definition of Satan is deceiver and guess what you are doing a great job.

As to what god says about my version...Wake up that is not god talking that is a dialogue that is running inside your head. How dare you presuppose my impression of Christianity or anything else you typical judgmental Christian.  You simply mumble a plethora of learned and traditional catch words that you have attached to emotive centers in your  programmed brain. If you are at all evangelical do not spout your beliefs to your self demonstrate them.  You seem to hide behind these How dare you insult people my assumin they have a misconception of walls of juggled scripture but refuse to discuss what they mean or why they may be valid or invalid.  So you can stick your tongue out at me as a child and say nanah nanah and I can stand on the other side of the street and get down to your level and say I'm rubber and your glue...  or you can Grow up and discuss the topic as an adult.  I pray for the eyes for you to see.  YOU Pray for the eyes for you to see.

 

TG,

 

You view my answer as off subject because of your misconception of what Christianity is.  It is walking by faith with the living Christ Who died for us and has risen from the dead - and destroyed death.  It is - as I said - taking hold of Christ, Who is Eternal Life.

You want to argue politics and get into the godless chatter and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge - thus missing the mark (end of 1 Timothy).  You can't discuss the faith in Christ you don't have so you attack it as delusional. 

I believe the whole Bible is exactly true (rightly understood).  The whole Bible points to Christ, the mystery of salvation hidden before the creation of the world.  God shows in His Creation He can do anything.  God shows in the Gift of His Only Begotten Son His everlasting love.

You are the one off subject.  You leave the subject at your rejection of Christ.  But, as you say, you have a lot of company - I will grant you that.  But what company is a lie in the end?  (you will consider this off subject, but)...  How can a house stand without a foundation? 

 

 

Fonzie wrote:

TGBaker wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

TGBaker wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

TGBaker wrote:

My morals and ethics are based upon the well-being of myself and others rather than primitive dictates of stoning children and women who loose their virginity out of wedlock. I am not deluded into preparing for another future world so I can focus on this one.  I spent 20 years as a social worker helping the needy, a period of time as an adult probation office dealing with felons, 10 years as a substance abuse counselor and a therapist as for a life styles group. I did 11 years of working in child abuse as a social worker and an investigator.  I was an assistant director of a children's shelter and "pastor' for a group that explored spirituality without the context of religion.  I raise my 2 year old and play guitar continue to do my research and address folks like here.

 

TG,

If Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, the Savior of all those who believe in Him - you have not counseled people in the way they should go.

 

But since he isn't  you are causing considerable damage by you counseling them in the way they should not go.  Do you oppose stem cell research, believe homosexuals are going to hell, believe anyone that does not believe as you do is going to hell. Do you support Israel because you believe the Temple should be built so that jesus can come again?  Do you oppose abortion in all cases believing that life begins at conception? Do you teach that a woman is to be subservient to her husband and silent in the churches?  Do you teach an after life which causes people to make terrible decisions in neglecting this life?  Do you oppose good old rock and roll because its from Satan? To spread the meme of unwarranted guilt over normal sexual drives teaching the horrors of masturbation to kids in puberty? Do you see people who do not believe in Christ as agents or under the spell of Satan? Are Jews, Buddhists, Hindus etc.' gonna burn in hell and are they agents of Satan?

 

 

TG,

I am 100% sure beyond any doubt whatsoever that Jesus Christ is LORD, died for the sins of those who believe in Him - of which I am fortunately one.  I have been born again into Him - the desire to have the gift and the gift of grace itself is all to God's glory and all God's work.  It isn't based on merit whatsoever.  I believe in Christ, have been baptized into Christ, and I am saved.  The desire I had to come to Him was also all His work.  You have faith Christ doesn't exist (100%?).  One of us is wrong. 

You have mentioned a bunch of things I don't want to get into (which was the Holy Spirit's advice to Timothy through Paul) because the things you have mentioned don't relate to taking hold of the Life that is in Christ.  The solution to man's problem is not politics.  The solution is also not world wealth.  The solution is also not to be found in the wisdom of men - what is falsely called knowledge. 

The thing Paul told Timothy to take hold of was:  "eternal life".  Eternal life is "knowing Christ".  Paul also told Timothy there is going to be a fight involved doing this - not against men (as in me against you) but against powers, principalities, Satan.  This is a spiritual war fought with spiritual weapons, but the goal is not to moralize the world (as in "vote Satan out) or to come up with a poll of what most people think - but take hold of the Life that is Life Indeed - Christ.  I have this life within me and don't aim to let go.  I have Christ's promise He won't let me go.  I am as I said on the lower streets of heaven.  It's the same eternal life here.  if you don't get hold of it here you won't have it there. 

What God says about your version (or my version) of righteousness is that it is like filthy rags to God.  The only righteousness that is acceptable is God's Righteousness - which is the Gift of Grace through Jesus Christ, the sacrifice of the Lamb of God.  His blood fills the bath that we all must wash in to be acceptable to God, and it is all God's work.  We do nothing to accomplish salvation.  So there is nothing to boast about - but simply a gift to share. 

Your description of your impression of Christianity shows you have never seen it as it is.  Pray for eyes to see. 

 

 

Your subjective 100% certainty beyond a reasonable doubt is unreasonable and the definition of delusion. It does not matter how you feel. I can introduce you to a guy that gets messages from the TV that are coded about how he should live. He is 100% sure beyond a reasonable doubt. Your belief or anyone else's does not verify, validate or confirm what you say. You can not stay on subject. The question is not my brand of righteousness but whether yours is a delusion or not.

 

 

You mentioned "a bunch" of things that you don't want to get into because they will show the true nature of your religious presuppositions, hatred and bigotry. That has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with leftover fossils within a rotting religion that reveals a skeleton of racial hatred, gender suppression and slavery, sexual obsession and dysfunction. You simply follow an old tribal war god veiled in many masks of deception.  The definition of Satan is deceiver and guess what you are doing a great job.

As to what god says about my version...Wake up that is not god talking that is a dialogue that is running inside your head. How dare you presuppose my impression of Christianity or anything else you typical judgmental Christian.  You simply mumble a plethora of learned and traditional catch words that you have attached to emotive centers in your  programmed brain. If you are at all evangelical do not spout your beliefs to your self demonstrate them.  You seem to hide behind these How dare you insult people my assumin they have a misconception of walls of juggled scripture but refuse to discuss what they mean or why they may be valid or invalid.  So you can stick your tongue out at me as a child and say nanah nanah and I can stand on the other side of the street and get down to your level and say I'm rubber and your glue...  or you can Grow up and discuss the topic as an adult.  I pray for the eyes for you to see.  YOU Pray for the eyes for you to see.

 

TG,

 

You view my answer as off subject because of your misconception of what Christianity is.  It is walking by faith with the living Christ Who died for us and has risen from the dead - and destroyed death.  It is - as I said - taking hold of Christ, Who is Eternal Life.

You want to argue politics and get into the godless chatter and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge - thus missing the mark (end of 1 Timothy).  You can't discuss the faith in Christ you don't have so you attack it as delusional. 

I believe the whole Bible is exactly true (rightly understood).  The whole Bible points to Christ, the mystery of salvation hidden before the creation of the world.  God shows in His Creation He can do anything.  God shows in the Gift of His Only Begotten Son His everlasting love.

You are the one off subject.  You leave the subject at your rejection of Christ.  But, as you say, you have a lot of company - I will grant you that.  But what company is a lie in the end?  (you will consider this off subject, but)...  How can a house stand without a foundation? 

 

 

How dare you say I have a misconception of Christianity. Typical Christian fuzzy headedness. I have a over 40 years of experience with your delusion. I have a degree and was ordained in your erroneous belief. I am not arguing nor do I care about politics where is that additional delusion coming from.... Your presuppositions ..... The whole Bible does not point to Christ. Your method of seeing the bible causes you to view it as about Christ. In other words you read into it what is not there based upon the traditions you were programmed in. I hate to tell you this but Christ is not eternal. The person called jesus died and a lot of other delusional folk believed he rose again... They would be comfortable hanging around people who see Elvis and UFO's today. Paul could make quite a theology about Elvis.  And since I'm from Memphis it would be easy to make a pilgrimage. No you get on the subject of scripture and give me examples instead of unwarranted boasts or claims yadah yadah,... You commit a terrible lie to the world by presenting this dangerous and behaviorally dysfunctional belief.  The foundation of the house is truth not a ghost story.

 

 

TGBaker wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

TGBaker wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

TGBaker wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

TGBaker wrote:

My morals and ethics are based upon the well-being of myself and others rather than primitive dictates of stoning children and women who loose their virginity out of wedlock. I am not deluded into preparing for another future world so I can focus on this one.  I spent 20 years as a social worker helping the needy, a period of time as an adult probation office dealing with felons, 10 years as a substance abuse counselor and a therapist as for a life styles group. I did 11 years of working in child abuse as a social worker and an investigator.  I was an assistant director of a children's shelter and "pastor' for a group that explored spirituality without the context of religion.  I raise my 2 year old and play guitar continue to do my research and address folks like here.

 

TG,

If Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, the Savior of all those who believe in Him - you have not counseled people in the way they should go.

 

But since he isn't  you are causing considerable damage by you counseling them in the way they should not go.  Do you oppose stem cell research, believe homosexuals are going to hell, believe anyone that does not believe as you do is going to hell. Do you support Israel because you believe the Temple should be built so that jesus can come again?  Do you oppose abortion in all cases believing that life begins at conception? Do you teach that a woman is to be subservient to her husband and silent in the churches?  Do you teach an after life which causes people to make terrible decisions in neglecting this life?  Do you oppose good old rock and roll because its from Satan? To spread the meme of unwarranted guilt over normal sexual drives teaching the horrors of masturbation to kids in puberty? Do you see people who do not believe in Christ as agents or under the spell of Satan? Are Jews, Buddhists, Hindus etc.' gonna burn in hell and are they agents of Satan?

 

 

TG,

I am 100% sure beyond any doubt whatsoever that Jesus Christ is LORD, died for the sins of those who believe in Him - of which I am fortunately one.  I have been born again into Him - the desire to have the gift and the gift of grace itself is all to God's glory and all God's work.  It isn't based on merit whatsoever.  I believe in Christ, have been baptized into Christ, and I am saved.  The desire I had to come to Him was also all His work.  You have faith Christ doesn't exist (100%?).  One of us is wrong. 

You have mentioned a bunch of things I don't want to get into (which was the Holy Spirit's advice to Timothy through Paul) because the things you have mentioned don't relate to taking hold of the Life that is in Christ.  The solution to man's problem is not politics.  The solution is also not world wealth.  The solution is also not to be found in the wisdom of men - what is falsely called knowledge. 

The thing Paul told Timothy to take hold of was:  "eternal life".  Eternal life is "knowing Christ".  Paul also told Timothy there is going to be a fight involved doing this - not against men (as in me against you) but against powers, principalities, Satan.  This is a spiritual war fought with spiritual weapons, but the goal is not to moralize the world (as in "vote Satan out) or to come up with a poll of what most people think - but take hold of the Life that is Life Indeed - Christ.  I have this life within me and don't aim to let go.  I have Christ's promise He won't let me go.  I am as I said on the lower streets of heaven.  It's the same eternal life here.  if you don't get hold of it here you won't have it there. 

What God says about your version (or my version) of righteousness is that it is like filthy rags to God.  The only righteousness that is acceptable is God's Righteousness - which is the Gift of Grace through Jesus Christ, the sacrifice of the Lamb of God.  His blood fills the bath that we all must wash in to be acceptable to God, and it is all God's work.  We do nothing to accomplish salvation.  So there is nothing to boast about - but simply a gift to share. 

Your description of your impression of Christianity shows you have never seen it as it is.  Pray for eyes to see. 

 

 

Your subjective 100% certainty beyond a reasonable doubt is unreasonable and the definition of delusion. It does not matter how you feel. I can introduce you to a guy that gets messages from the TV that are coded about how he should live. He is 100% sure beyond a reasonable doubt. Your belief or anyone else's does not verify, validate or confirm what you say. You can not stay on subject. The question is not my brand of righteousness but whether yours is a delusion or not.

 

 

You mentioned "a bunch" of things that you don't want to get into because they will show the true nature of your religious presuppositions, hatred and bigotry. That has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with leftover fossils within a rotting religion that reveals a skeleton of racial hatred, gender suppression and slavery, sexual obsession and dysfunction. You simply follow an old tribal war god veiled in many masks of deception.  The definition of Satan is deceiver and guess what you are doing a great job.

As to what god says about my version...Wake up that is not god talking that is a dialogue that is running inside your head. How dare you presuppose my impression of Christianity or anything else you typical judgmental Christian.  You simply mumble a plethora of learned and traditional catch words that you have attached to emotive centers in your  programmed brain. If you are at all evangelical do not spout your beliefs to your self demonstrate them.  You seem to hide behind these How dare you insult people my assumin they have a misconception of walls of juggled scripture but refuse to discuss what they mean or why they may be valid or invalid.  So you can stick your tongue out at me as a child and say nanah nanah and I can stand on the other side of the street and get down to your level and say I'm rubber and your glue...  or you can Grow up and discuss the topic as an adult.  I pray for the eyes for you to see.  YOU Pray for the eyes for you to see.

 

TG,

 

You view my answer as off subject because of your misconception of what Christianity is.  It is walking by faith with the living Christ Who died for us and has risen from the dead - and destroyed death.  It is - as I said - taking hold of Christ, Who is Eternal Life.

You want to argue politics and get into the godless chatter and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge - thus missing the mark (end of 1 Timothy).  You can't discuss the faith in Christ you don't have so you attack it as delusional. 

I believe the whole Bible is exactly true (rightly understood).  The whole Bible points to Christ, the mystery of salvation hidden before the creation of the world.  God shows in His Creation He can do anything.  God shows in the Gift of His Only Begotten Son His everlasting love.

You are the one off subject.  You leave the subject at your rejection of Christ.  But, as you say, you have a lot of company - I will grant you that.  But what company is a lie in the end?  (you will consider this off subject, but)...  How can a house stand without a foundation? 

 

 

How dare you say I have a misconception of Christianity. Typical Christian fuzzy headedness. I have a over 40 years of experience with your delusion. I have a degree and was ordained in your erroneous belief. I am not arguing nor do I care about politics where is that additional delusion coming from.... Your presuppositions ..... The whole Bible does not point to Christ. Your method of seeing the bible causes you to view it as about Christ. In other words you read into it what is not there based upon the traditions you were programmed in. I hate to tell you this but Christ is not eternal. The person called jesus died and a lot of other delusional folk believed he rose again... They would be comfortable hanging around people who see Elvis and UFO's today. Paul could make quite a theology about Elvis.  And since I'm from Memphis it would be easy to make a pilgrimage. No you get on the subject of scripture and give me examples instead of unwarranted boasts or claims yadah yadah,... You commit a terrible lie to the world by presenting this dangerous and behaviorally dysfunctional belief.  The foundation of the house is truth not a ghost story.

 

 

 

TG,

 

Ok, here is a Scripture that should be simple enough  for you:  (1 John 2.22-23) "Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ?  This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.  No one who denies the Son has the Father.  He who confesses the Son has the Father also.  Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you.  If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you will abide in the Son and in the Father.  And this is what He has promised us, eternal life." 

And here's one that addresses the focus of all the scriptures:  (John 5.39-40) "You search the scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life and it is they that bear witness to Me.  Yet you refuse to come to Me that you may have life."

 

 

 

Ok, here is a Scripture that should be simple enough  for you:  (1 John 2.22-23) "Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ?  This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.  No one who denies the Son has the Father.  He who confesses the Son has the Father also.  Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you.  If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you will abide in the Son and in the Father.  And this is what He has promised us, eternal life." 

And here's one that addresses the focus of all the scriptures:  (John 5.39-40) "You search the scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life and it is they that bear witness to Me.  Yet you refuse to come to Me that you may have life."

Fonzie wrote:

If Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, the Savior of all those who believe in Him - you have not counseled people in the way they should go.

Fonzie, if you connected the liver spots, you would see that god is dead and that there is no christ for jesus not to be. Those would believe in such lies require immediate lithium detoxification. In my continuing attempts to stave off your worsening senility: As now this thread has exceeded 2,500 + µ³ posts -- approximately the number of years that intellectually deficient humans have believed in a nonexistent jesus, I would invite you to attend to your continuing dishonesty:

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...you refuse still to answer simple 'a' or 'b' questions, namely: Did you create the "what faith you" thread? That would be the thread titled "what faith you"; created by the user named "mephibosheth" on September 6, 2007 - 5:57pm, and which can be found here.

Fonzie wrote:

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Again, a simple question (dodged more times than I can count) : Have you been on this forum before, and did you make the threads "PALACE LIFE", and "What faith you" ?

McFly, my name is not meth.

If you will not respond to the simplest of questions in a forthright manner, it is fruitless for you to continue discussion. Please excise your hemorrhoids of deception. Dishonesty and intellectual cowardice does not work for me.

JillSwift wrote:

I don't think you're fooling yourself.

I know you're fooling yourself.

But I don't care.

I do care, however, that you so-called Christians want to make your faith into public policy. Keep your faith to yourselves and you can waste your time praying and reading a 2000 year old piece of very badly written fiction all you like with no interference from me at all.

But try to take away my rights based on your make-believe religious morality and I will stand up for myself. And don't tell me "but, I'm not taking away your rights" because if you stand by and allow other Christians to make war on my right to live by my will, then you are guilty of a sin of omission.

Could I rationally say I "know" anything about you?  Is it logical for you to say you "know" anything about me?

Jillswift, one reason they crucified Jesus was that He wasn't political.

And can I logically blame you for what other atheists do?

 

 

 

redneF wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

Ok, here is a Scripture that should be simple enough  for you:  (1 John 2.22-23) "Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ?  This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.  No one who denies the Son has the Father.  He who confesses the Son has the Father also.  Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you.  If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you will abide in the Son and in the Father.  And this is what He has promised us, eternal life." 

And here's one that addresses the focus of all the scriptures:  (John 5.39-40) "You search the scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life and it is they that bear witness to Me.  Yet you refuse to come to Me that you may have life."

Ok, so, even if this was an accurate account, of what was said, by people who actually existed.......this makes you correct, and hundreds of millions of people wrong, and liars?

According to you, a whole bunch of other people, and these clowns?

 

Get fricken' real...

 

Hey, Fonzie......anything to get a foothold, huh?

Why do you think they named those antics, "Jumping the Shark"...

 

 

redneF,

Those who would name these truths "jumping the shark" are just following the world script rather than exercising their understanding.  As far as the percentage of people right versus wrong in the earth the imbalance has happened before with Noah. 

In answer to your query "what makes me right" is the fact that Jesus is the Christ, and the gospel is for real - the good news of God's grace through Christ's substitutionary death - His death instead of ours - so we could be saved (present tense), and thus we have. 

This plan was in place before the world was created.  It was the mystery hidden for ages - the mystery into which angels longed to look.  Now the Salvation of God has been revealed. 

If you reject it you judge yourself unworthy because you have not believed in Christ.  Plus in rejecting you also have a judge - the Words Christ has spoken will judge you in the last day.  

 

 

 

 

 

Fonzie wrote:

This plan was in place before the world was created.  It was the mystery hidden for ages - the mystery into which angels longed to look.  Now the Salvation of God has been revealed. 

If you reject it you judge yourself unworthy because you have not believed in Christ.  Plus in rejecting you also have a judge - the Words Christ has spoken will judge you in the last day.  

 

assertion, assertion, fantasy, assertion, bibliobabble, threat. Ooooh. You sound just like my father did in the pulpit, Fonzie. Good one, you.

 

Atheistextremist wrote:

 

Fonzie wrote:

This plan was in place before the world was created.  It was the mystery hidden for ages - the mystery into which angels longed to look.  Now the Salvation of God has been revealed. 

If you reject it you judge yourself unworthy because you have not believed in Christ.  Plus in rejecting you also have a judge - the Words Christ has spoken will judge you in the last day.  

 

assertion, assertion, fantasy, assertion, bibliobabble, threat. Ooooh. You sound just like my father did in the pulpit, Fonzie. Good one, you.

 

 Extreemist,

 

Here's another example of prophecy about Jesus from Isaiah:  "There shall come forth a shoot from the stump of Jesse, and a branch shall grow out of His roots.  And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon Him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.  And His delight shall be in the fear of the LORD.  He shall not judge by what His eyes see, or decide by what His ears hear, but with righteousness He shall judge the poor, and decide with equity for the meek of the earth: and He shall smite the earth with the rod of His mouth and with the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked.  Righteousness shall be the girdle of His loins.  The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid, and the calf and the lion and the fatling together, and a little child shall lead them..."

God had already brought people together in the lineage of David; a harlot (Rahab), a moabite (Ruth), a child of incest (Perez) - and in the church rightly seen the divisions are broken down as spoken of above.  Of course there are counterfeits as you would expect.

Is dishonoring your father one way atheism makes your life fulfilling?  We are all in the pulpit in a sense - maybe you have a son or daughter looking on (or in your future)?  

 

Fonzie wrote:

Atheistextremist wrote:

 

Fonzie wrote:

This plan was in place before the world was created.  It was the mystery hidden for ages - the mystery into which angels longed to look.  Now the Salvation of God has been revealed. 

If you reject it you judge yourself unworthy because you have not believed in Christ.  Plus in rejecting you also have a judge - the Words Christ has spoken will judge you in the last day.  

 

assertion, assertion, fantasy, assertion, bibliobabble, threat. Ooooh. You sound just like my father did in the pulpit, Fonzie. Good one, you.

 

 Extreemist,

 

Here's another example of prophecy about Jesus from Isaiah:  "There shall come forth a shoot from the stump of Jesse, and a branch shall grow out of His roots.  And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon Him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.  And His delight shall be in the fear of the LORD.  He shall not judge by what His eyes see, or decide by what His ears hear, but with righteousness He shall judge the poor, and decide with equity for the meek of the earth: and He shall smite the earth with the rod of His mouth and with the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked.  Righteousness shall be the girdle of His loins.  The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid, and the calf and the lion and the fatling together, and a little child shall lead them..."

God had already brought people together in the lineage of David; a harlot (Rahab), a moabite (Ruth), a child of incest (Perez) - and in the church rightly seen the divisions are broken down as spoken of above.  Of course there are counterfeits as you would expect.

Is dishonoring your father one way atheism makes your life fulfilling?  We are all in the pulpit in a sense - maybe you have a son or daughter looking on (or in your future)?  

 

 

was a man with all the usual faults. One of these was believing the irrational claims of the bible and jamming them down the throats of his kids backed up by a big stick he handled with plenty of skill.

What makes my life fulfilling is believing those things that can be adequately proven to be known using evidence that does not include threats. If god really was mighty he would not need to scare people into accepting the reality of his existence.

Only a man-made god needs to do that.

 

 

Atheistextremist wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

Atheistextremist wrote:

 

Fonzie wrote:

This plan was in place before the world was created.  It was the mystery hidden for ages - the mystery into which angels longed to look.  Now the Salvation of God has been revealed. 

If you reject it you judge yourself unworthy because you have not believed in Christ.  Plus in rejecting you also have a judge - the Words Christ has spoken will judge you in the last day.  

 

assertion, assertion, fantasy, assertion, bibliobabble, threat. Ooooh. You sound just like my father did in the pulpit, Fonzie. Good one, you.

 

 Extreemist,

 

Here's another example of prophecy about Jesus from Isaiah:  "There shall come forth a shoot from the stump of Jesse, and a branch shall grow out of His roots.  And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon Him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.  And His delight shall be in the fear of the LORD.  He shall not judge by what His eyes see, or decide by what His ears hear, but with righteousness He shall judge the poor, and decide with equity for the meek of the earth: and He shall smite the earth with the rod of His mouth and with the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked.  Righteousness shall be the girdle of His loins.  The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid, and the calf and the lion and the fatling together, and a little child shall lead them..."

God had already brought people together in the lineage of David; a harlot (Rahab), a moabite (Ruth), a child of incest (Perez) - and in the church rightly seen the divisions are broken down as spoken of above.  Of course there are counterfeits as you would expect.

Is dishonoring your father one way atheism makes your life fulfilling?  We are all in the pulpit in a sense - maybe you have a son or daughter looking on (or in your future)?  

 

 

was a man with all the usual faults. One of these was believing the irrational claims of the bible and jamming them down the throats of his kids backed up by a big stick he handled with plenty of skill.

What makes my life fulfilling is believing those things that can be adequately proven to be known using evidence that does not include threats. If god really was mighty he would not need to scare people into accepting the reality of his existence.

Only a man-made god needs to do that.

 

 

 

Extremest,

 

You didn't die from the rod did you?  What do you think about this proverb:  "He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him." 

I bet your father really did love you and maybe if he had it to do over he would do some things different who knows.  It could have been love lost in the transmission or translation.

But this I bet is true.  If you only knew, the discipline you got from your old dad has probably saved you from a lot of trouble. 

And what is it you like that's completely proven?  It's proven we are going to die - probably less than age 125.  It's proven there's 7.4805 US gallons in a cubic foot.  It's proven that the acceleration of gravity is 32 feet per second per second, area of a circle = pi R squared, all fairly dull stuff, just more and more of it.  You can put it on steroids with computers, robots, etc but still it's unfulfilling and goes nowhere in itself.  It's all vanity under the sun, a cycle of vanity.  

Why spend your life in physics class?  Why not step out into abundant life?  Why not do something wild and crazy like checking out Christ and God and making all these atheists instantly mad at you in a "no deposit no return" way in the process.  Find out if they are true friends or a veneer.    

You're going to have a hard time convincing me that your dad warped your personality - kids are tough.  And one of the greatest dis-services you can do to a kid is not discipline him (I'm not making a judgment on how perfect your dad's discipline was).  The greatest abuse you can do to a kid is not discipline him.  Quickly nobody wants their kids (or should anyway) around them.  When you see the value of discipline you have to love it. 

But, go ahead with your sport and come at me again like I'm your enemy - make the atheists mad with glee.  But think - which teacher do you now appreciate?  The easy or strict ones?  The ones that flattered and told you all that manipulative positive crap? 

When you come to the point in life where you understand some of your problems have been caused by the fact that your parents are imperfect - they then become your responsibility. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fonzie,

Who is the liar but he who denies that Elvis is the King? This is the anti-Quaalude, he who denies the Shake, Rattle and the Roll. No one who denies the Elvis has the Peanut Butter.  

And...In my continuing effort to bring you away from the geriatric lies of jesus to the rejuvenating truth of Elvis:

Quote:

Fonzie wrote:

If Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, the Savior of all those who believe in Him - you have not counseled people in the way they should go.

Fonzie, if you connected the liver spots, you would see that god is dead and that there is no christ for jesus not to be. Those would believe in such lies require immediate lithium detoxification. In my continuing attempts to stave off your worsening senility: As now this thread has exceeded 2,500 + µ³ posts -- approximately the number of years that intellectually deficient humans have believed in a nonexistent jesus, I would invite you to attend to your continuing dishonesty:

Quote:

...you refuse still to answer simple 'a' or 'b' questions, namely: Did you create the "what faith you" thread? That would be the thread titled "what faith you"; created by the user named "mephibosheth" on September 6, 2007 - 5:57pm, and which can be found here.

Fonzie wrote:

Quote:

Again, a simple question (dodged more times than I can count) : Have you been on this forum before, and did you make the threads "PALACE LIFE", and "What faith you" ?

McFly, my name is not meth.

If you will not respond to the simplest of questions in a forthright manner, it is fruitless for you to continue discussion. Please excise your hemorrhoids of deception. Dishonesty and intellectual cowardice does not work for me.

Fonzie wrote:

  Do you like that song, "Cold Kentucky Rain"? I think that's my favorite Elvis song.

you refuse still to answer simple 'a' or 'b' questions, namely: Did you create the "what faith you" thread? That would be the thread titled "what faith you"; created by the user named "mephibosheth" on September 6, 2007 - 5:57pm, and which can be found here.

Fonzie wrote:

Quote:

Again, a simple question (dodged more times than I can count) : Have you been on this forum before, and did you make the threads "PALACE LIFE", and "What faith you" ?

McFly, my name is not meth.

If you will not respond to the simplest of questions in a forthright manner, it is fruitless for you to continue discussion.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dishonesty and intellectual cowardice does not work for me.