Atheist vs. Theist

Waiting for Seraiah to show his/her face.

The following is a response to someone commenting on our missions at www.waroneaster.org. Seraiah wants to show him/herself come on over and post your picture as your avatar, since you're all about showing faces. Let everyone see the face of someone that has literal belief in fairy tales!

THE ORIGINAL POST: http://www.waroneaster.org/2006/04/11/michigan-successful-methodist-mission

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You people are like demented children who get kicks out killing animals.

And your like the demeneted child that thinks that the animal he killed was Satan.

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Your so determined in your ?message? yet you have to hide to distribute your hatred in secret because you don?t have enough faith in yourself to announce yourself and your agenda?so you hide your DVD?s in churches as you hide your face, and you should hide your face because your morality and logic should tell you to be ashamed of yourself, but I take it you have no morality and no logic, for if you did you would not be participating in such childish games.

So I was debating with a christian...

and when I asked him why god chose not to include the answers to every thing he knew we as humans would be asking, and leave out the answers to VERY important issues, he first went on and on about different aspects of the bible describing things that couldn't have just been guessed, so I reminded him that he was not answering my question because my question was not about the authenticity of the bible. He then responded with the following, which I really find very depressing.. however it will not shock you, it's just sad to hear that there are a greater amount of people in the world that share this opinion compared to those who actually enjoy reality;

Problem argument.

Hey, there's a theist on another site that continually responds to atheists who tell her that the burden of proof is on the person who claims something exists with "prove love exists." It's a stupid argument, but difficult to respond to, other than with things like brain scans could be compared between different people feeling love at the time. Any ideas to counter this?

Jesus Mythicism

Ok, this is probably the wrong forum, but I'd like to challenge this idea that Jesus didn't exist. Now don't get me wrong, I think thats a possibility, but there is also very strong evidence for Jesus' existence.

For example, Mark contains a lot of information that seems so trivial that it can't have been made up (eg the pillow in The Calming Of The Storm). And not only that, but it contains embarrassing stories that seem unlikely to be made up (eg dieing on a cross, which would be extremely humiliating). I mean, what can a redaction critic really draw from that? He would have been naked on a cross in a busy area.

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A new gospel revealed..by guess who?????? you got it...

JUDAS

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/04/0406_060406_judas.html

Lost Gospel Revealed; Says Jesus Asked Judas to Betray Him
Stefan Lovgren
for National Geographic News

April 6, 2006
He is one of the most reviled men in history.

But was Judas only obeying his master's wishes when he betrayed Jesus with a kiss?

That's what a newly revealed ancient Christian text says.

After being lost for nearly 1,700 years, the Gospel of Judas was recently restored, authenticated, and translated. (Get the full, twisting tale of the document's discovery and authentication.)

What I am about witch will nevr change!

Well praise Jesus for this opportunity to preach to the heathens right here in this Christian nation! I am indeed the Reverend Jebediah Philemon Oglethorpe (birth in Pewkatuxie Alabama, attended LU, graduated in '94 now pastor of True Faithly Gospel Salvation Station Church in Round O South Carolina, a small faithly church of about 14,000) and it's good to be hear with you today! Let me explane what im about: first of all, I am a Christian. I beleev in only one invisibl frend who craves my sycophantic credalistic adulatory mumblings, witch I faithfully deliver, refusing to question or RATIONALIZE since that would leed me to SATANISTIC ATHIESTISM! I now that god has competition: the devil, who refused to worship god and tried to be god! I now that Adam and Eve brought sin crashing down upon all humanity and that we are indeed sorry worthless sinners who may only be saved by the grace of god as long as we beleev that a first-century-CE-Caucasian-looking-Jewishtic was gods' son and dyed and reserected so that we coud go to a magical city in the sky and keep carrying on worshipping god and supporting the Republican party for eternity!

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Jesus Walked on Ice, Not Water

MIAMI (April 5) - The New Testament says that Jesus walked on water, but a Florida university professor believes there could be a less miraculous explanation -- he walked on a floating piece of ice.

Professor Doron Nof also theorized in the early 1990s that Moses's parting of the Red Sea had solid science behind it.

Nof, a professor of oceanography at Florida State University, said on Tuesday that his study found an unusual combination of water and atmospheric conditions in what is now northern Israel could have led to ice formation on the Sea of Galilee.

Nof used records of the Mediterranean Sea's surface temperatures and statistical models to examine the dynamics of the Sea of Galilee, which Israelis know now as Lake Kinneret.

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I'm having' fun wiht a xtian on myspace....

I posted a bullettin about the missing link skull fragment, he replies that it was midgets and that it didn't prove anything..so I pose a challenge.

Read bottom up..I will not change the html codes..cause I'm tired and getting 'ready for bed.
From: Truth*Dealer
Date: Mar 31, 2006 12:33 AM

your blindness. astounds me...well actually no.. but let me ask you this..if all creatures were created at the same time, why are they restricted to certain areas...

Also let me ask you this, you probably have no clue because A. you're blind, and B. you refuse to learn. But if evolution is fake and god created man...then explain how you have various phenotypic and genetic make up of blood ligands that change or evolve in response to malaria strains. For example, in Africa where a certain strain of malaria is very commmon. People there have developed change on teh surface protein of their red blood cells os that now, htis specifc strain of malarian cannot infect them. Also, explain, if there is no evolution, how bacterial strains can form resistance to anti-biotic. Also, explain to me where in the bible it describes...first off...bacteria.. iwant a passage..that tlaks about bacteria and funguses.. certainly...if...god created them he would have written about it, right..and also, I would like to see evidnce of god's creation of viruses, if you can even explain what viruses are, since you are well versed in the ways of creation vs. patterns. Describe to me theologically...the existence of viruse..as it is in tune with your creation vs. pattern theory..let's hear it..and I wil be honest with you, I will be posting this. So...go read up, go ask, your sources.. and let's hear it. I wil tell you this...God says so so it is..ain't proof.

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Clergy voice their support for evolutionary theory

Clergy voice their support for evolutionary theory
01 April 2006

THEY are going to hell, and have been described as "Christian whores, atheists and worse". What could be worse is hard to imagine, but such are the epithets being hurled by fundamentalist Christians at thousands of Christian clergy who have declared themselves comfortable with both religion and evolution.

More than 10,000 clergy have signed up to the "Clergy Letter Project", launched in 2004 by Michael Zimmerman of the University of Wisconsin in Oshkosh. "Evolution Sunday", held in February to discuss the compatibility of science and religion, is planned to become a yearly event at churches across the US, Zimmerman says.

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study shows prayer doesn't help in recovery

Study: Prayer doesn't affect heart patients

Thursday, March 30, 2006; Posted: 2:26 p.m. EST (19:26 GMT)

NEW YORK (AP) -- In the largest study of its kind, researchers found that having people pray for heart bypass surgery patients had no effect on their recovery. In fact, patients who knew they were being prayed for had a slightly higher rate of complications.

Researchers emphasized their work does not address whether God exists or answers prayers made on another's behalf. The study can only look for an effect from prayers offered as part of the research, they said.

They also said they had no explanation for the higher complication rate in patients who knew they were being prayed for, in comparison to patients who only knew it was possible prayers were being said for them.

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