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Faith in Jesus works for me - it's exciting. I love the Bible and believe all of it - though there is mystery. There is mystery everywhere though, right? I am a incredibly happy believer in Jesus. I'm not a theologian, I just believe in Jesus.
I understand you can't make anybody believe in Jesus and the Bible, and I don't personally try to do that. But I highly recommend it from my experience with it. I can't get enough of the Bible or Jesus. I can't imagine trying to navigate through life without it at this point in my life.
I don't think Jesus or God is a thing you can prove to somebody. I heard about it a large percentage of my life and it didn't mean anything to me until a certain point - then that all changed.
So do you guys think that I'm fooling myself, not really happy, you don't believe me, or do you really think I can't be as happy or enlightened as you - are you evangelistic in that sense or what? What is the purpose of this site? Do you have something better to offer? If so, what is your gospel?
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FONZIE GREETS ANONYMOUSE,
SO FONZIE SEES THERE IS NO LIE. SO THE QUESTION FONZIE ASKS IS: "WHEN IS ANONYMOUSE GOING TO QUIT ACCUSING FONZIE OF LYING??? (A) NOW (B) LATER (C) NEVER
Yet more capitals. Are you feeling okay ?
You didn't see the words on the screen in front of your face ?
No problem, I'll post it again.
Fonzie wrote:I posted the location of some of your lies in the mail you just replied to, so what are you talking about ?
Sure, I'll do it again.
Here one of your lies :
Fonzie wrote:And here's another :
Fonzie wrote:Unless you're in the habit of referring to yourself in the third person, this is a lie.
More importantly, it's one you can't get out of. You can't deny the "WHAT FAITH YOU" thread is yours, because you provided the proof that it is. (edit : see post #553)
Which makes every post of yours in this thread a lie, because you never told us you were the same guy, asking the same questions, pretending you never got any answers.
Edit : And you know what's really sad about that lie in particular ? It doesn't even serve any purpose. It would never even have happened if you'd answered me honestly when I asked you if you had made that thread, but you couldn't bring yourself to do it.
So why couldn't you ? Why couldn't you answer such a simple question honestly ? Why did you have to lie ?
Np Agnosticator2 - seems like a free-for-all in here at times ... I don't mind.
All I'm saying is that without a foundation morality, to borrow from you, is sterile and useless. Virtue, empathy, are good traits to have - agreed. From what I have read, Atheists believe man came up with the standards by which we all live by today. My confusion comes in when one believes murder is ok and the other does not - which is it? Do I just act like an animal and follow my instincts? Is that natural?
Quoting you: "The shortcomings of the ten commandments are shown by the almost complete lack of their being obeyed" - why is that? Man didn't think them adequate to live by? They were too immature for highly evolved man? I'm not being sarcastic here, just thinking out loud. You also mentioned "their absence within the judicial system". I'm not sure I understand this comment. Murder is against US law. Bernie Madoff got caught stealing. A certain President got caught in adultery.
Am I observing correctly that you believe the 10 cannot be obeyed completely, 100% of the time?
Greater love has no man than this, that he lay down his life for a friend.
I know you weren't addressing me, but since this is public I decided to chime in anyway.
I don't think many people, atheist or theist, consider murder to be 'right'. The problem is that different people call different things murder. An anti abortionist calls abortion murder. A PETA member calls lunch at KFC murder. And in contrast, some people consider things that most of us would call murder, say flying a plane into a building, justified because of whatever philosophy or doctrine they follow.
'Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy' serves no legal function. Nor do the ones about images, other gods before Yahweh, or taking his name in vain. Yes, they are immature, and we have outgrown them. The one about coveting is kind of silly, since people are always going to be envious. That one is as childish as any insistence of suppressing ones emotions. That leaves us with murder, theft, adultery, and bearing false witness. Those 4 were covered centuries before the Hebrew stole them, and even the adultery one is seldom given more than lip service in the courts of English speaking countries these days. The remainder are always going to develop in any culture that doesn't self destruct, as to do otherwise would facilitate self destruction.
It takes a village to raise an idiot.
Save a tree, eat a vegetarian.
Sometimes " The Majority " only means that all the fools are on the same side.
Then why not create a specific thread for this subject ? Less distractions that way.
Brian37,
The truth frees me from pressure to provide you with evidence of God, Jesus' dying for our sins and coming back to life, and His living in the Christian, because that is a gift of sight only God can choose to give you. I have all the evidence I need for that though. We who have been "born again" - "born anew" - "born of the water and the Spirit" - have been "sealed with the gift and guarantee of the Holy Spirit". It wouldn't be much of a guarantee if you didn't know you had it, and we come to know we do. (The Holy Spirit is there even before we come to realize He is, it just takes some time). I experience the presence of God all day long and let me tell you - it's great to be in fellowship with God in Christ. I have evidence plenty for myself - you will have to get your own oil and your own fire for your lamp from God if you get it. If you want it I'm sure He'll give it to you - there won't be any in hell who can say, "I cried out to Jesus but He wouldn't save me". It's your fault if you don't want it enough to cry out.
Your making statements of "what it is" and "what it will be" may be something you have confidence in, but you would have to have a lot more faith in yourself than I do to believe your dreams about it. But, you have your bet to make and I have mine, in the end one bet. I'm secure in mine. I have no doubt whatsoever that Jesus is LORD and Savior now and death won't change that or separate me from Him.
At different stages of my life I was trying to find what I wanted in all the wrong places. Now I have found the treasure: JESUS. I went through some of these false gods, didn't find it, didn't get satisfaction, a dismal pursuit. It's great to find what you've been looking for and then it be even far more than you imagined. It is, and will continue to be.
Fonzie (having eternal fun starting now)
Then why did you lie ? Secure people don't need to lie, so why did you ?
I agree, people do call different things murder. The context here is human life, and the commandment "not murder" is in the same light. And I'll agree that anyone can justify their action, even under the veil of religion. However, the commandment - and the law in most societies still stands - don't do it.
You're right, the first 4 do not serve any legal function. They serve a relationship function. Since an atheist does not acknowledge a creator (God), these first four will not make sense since belief in a creator does not exist. Coveting, yes, and I'll toss this into the fray - the last six cannot be kept perfectly as you so point out about 'envy.' The Bible claims the 10 were given to Moses and the Hebrews, and the 10 were meant for them (ergo the first 4) to maintain relationship with God. I'm not sure there were any non-Hebrews around the mount when Moses descended with the 10. And, as we see, in that account, the Hebrews made an idol (calf) that also was an Egyptian idol. Can we blame the Hebrews, well no - the Law (10) had not been given; however, they just witnessed a miracle event and were afraid to come near the mountain. The God of the Bible choose them, they did not ask to be chosen. You will see this theme repeat several times in the Bible.
Greater love has no man than this, that he lay down his life for a friend.
1. The "law" of not murdering other members of your society was old when the Hebrews were young.
2. The 10 only applied to the Hebrews back then? Besides being poetic, it explains a lot about why a Roman named Paul wanted to get rid of them for his mystery cult of Christianity (or should I call it Jesus-idolatry?).
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
Anonymouse,
Yea, 3 years back, I hit the hot thread in this forum with the most posts - what faith you, it was interesting. You guys love this site. Now, 3 years later this is the hot thread with most posts, it works... I'm sure you read all my posts, though you didn't come in here till 2008? No secret...I guess they found out I was a Theist and gave me the medal and title. I am glad to wear it. You know it's good to have a title in some way, it means you've picked something. Middle ground is really not standing your ground at all. So here we are 3 years later.
Wait, how did you know about a post/thread in 07, just curious...did you read all the archives when you came in or were you under another name before? You seem like more of a gold member since you are hitting the posts pretty hard. I meant to reply sooner to your response, but haven't thought of it, this site needs a feature that emails you when someone responds or quotes your post. It's got to be mobile, come on. Even facebook sends me emails when people comment on my stuff. Just a challenge, hope the tech guys like it, I would think it a fun one.
You must have liked the profile pic if you remembered it. But then again, I am beginning to think that you know about all the posts, some kind of memory guy. I love this pic, it was shot just outside of St Louis Cardinals stadium on an old historic looking garage. It was really something to get a shot of it, I crossed a 4 lane busy road. It turned out better than the game. I wondered what kind of paint they used, it seemed to just pop out.
??Alright so you keep talking about lies, every other post. I read back through the posts, so I hear your claims and have read most all of the other posts on this thread. Though I couldn't cite them by post#
But what is a lie? I really want as much detail as you are willing to give. It seems in my other questions that all you did was 1 word answers. That makes me lose interest, if we are going to have a conversation there might have to be some narrative, some expressions of thought/logic. I think we should discuss what a lie is, because I really think that is interesting in itself.
You suggested with my other post, and you might come back and say the same with this one...but I don't want to start a new thread. I feel like discussing here is good, because I am not always as active, I don't want to own a thread, and I think this topic all fits into the faith discussion/how it works, etc....
Care to discuss, what is a lie? What is it that has been done, that you keep saying on this thread....
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Yeah, I know. 1000+ posts is way too much. I made the mistake of asking someone a question they don't want to answer. I had to repeat it quite a few times.
You ever been in a discussion with a guy who eventually comes out with "I never said that" ? That doesn't work here.
Well, when a guy keeps saying his questions were never answered, when he himself keeps thanking people for their answers....How many words do you really need ?
I posted, re-posted and will probably be re-re-re-re, ect-posting his lies here untill I grow a beard. I don't mind doing it for him. He has an excuse. (He's very, very scared)
But if you are really interested, why not read the thread ?
Start from here and work your way back, and you'll come across plenty of Cliff Notes versions.
As for definitions, this will do : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie
Here is Fonzies first lie: faithin god/jesus works for him.
No, what works for Fonzie is having the thread with the most replies so he feels he is a god himself. So here again Fonzie, I'm bumping your thread for ya.
Next lie: he finds faith in jesus exilerating or something to that effect cuz I'm not quoting him actually.
No, what he finds exilerating is seeing his thread have all tje posts so he feels special. He even bumps his thread when it becomes ignored.
He asks the question which turned out to be a trick question: do you guys think I'm fooling myself? Hence giving the false assumtions to some that maybe we could debate him into a corner and save him from his pitiful mental delusions.
No, he quotes bible scripture and a bunch of blah blah that sometimes is hard to even understand (maybe it's the lithium) and doesn't care what we think when he's the one who asked the question.
Side note: I've been around people on lithium and they babble on about stuff and you can't make the least sense of what they are saying.
If all the Christians who have called other Christians " not really a Christian " were to vanish, there'd be no Christians left.
Rebecca Williamson,
I think your summary of the position of the atheists on this forum is good. From the start when I came on saying "faith in Jesus works for me", you, they, assume that is a lie. The premise is: Jesus is not real and those who claim He is alive and real/ and abides in them/ and they in Him - your premise is: "that's a lie" (assumed) and you go from there. There is no debate - and no real reasoning; there is no compromise - between darkness and light, poison and food, wrong and right, unreal and real, etc,; or - with the atheist faith/ and / faith in Christ.
As far as discussing what a "lie" is - it is the "Devil's product" distributed by his own. You are either God's or the Devil's - one or the other. Needless to say those who are the Devil's own are sincere liars, but liars nonetheless. I have no challenge to the sincerity of the atheists on this forum in distributing their product. I believe they are sincere purveyors of unbelief.
The fact that I know Jesus is with me and in me - just as He promised I would know it - in the Written Word - remains true regardless of your poll concerning it. Although it is foreign to you it is real. And as you have shown - there is no compromise between the lie and the truth. But know this, that you are on the lying side of this. Jesus is LORD, He came to save us, and He was faithful in that truth until death, even death on a cross. The hands that were pierced were the same hands that touched lepers, fed the multitudes, caused the blind to see - they are the same hands that reach out to you.
If you have the desire some day to look beyond your false assumption that Jesus and the gospel is a lie - God will have given you that desire, because all salvation is from Him and is His Work. But, if you continue to love the lie, if you love darkness and the works of darkness instead - you are headed for more delusion of lies and deep, deep, darkness. Your portion will be unnecessarily in the lake of fire if you stay locked into lies - which is no lie either. All totally unnecessarily I repeat, all because you love lies and the liar - in - chief. He lied to man and woman from the beginning. He wants to mess us up at every turn. He wants to keep the lie alive. He wants you to make a lie your umbrella and keep a stiff upper lip - and carry the lie high all the way to death, and the second death.
He keeps a watch over you lest you come to Jesus and be saved. Just try it and see what happens.
Fonzie,
I don't have a problem with your claim of Jesus working for you.
My problem comes with the desire you claim to deny but comes out in every one of your posts.
It goes something like this, "All you people who don't have Jesus working for them like I do are going to burn in Hell forever and ever. And I'm going to be up in Heaven with God and Jesus and we'll all be pulling our resurrected puds watching you burn (I'm pulling my physical pud in anticipation of that blessed, glorious thought). All that stuff about wanting you to be saved? That's crap - I say that while trying to provide such a lousy christian example because I know you won't fall for it. I really want to see you bastards roast."
It also seems strange that one who claims to believe in the truth would be so skittish about his internet identities.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
No, if you actually read this thread, you'll find a very different reaction.
But then, you'd have to read people's post. The things they are actually saying to you. The words on the screen in front of your face.
For some reason, the very notion of that doesn't even occur to you.
If that is your opinion, then why did you lie ?
No, again, you are mistaken. She has yet to tell a lie here. You have told several (see my last reply to you), and you have gone to extraordinary lengths to deny it.
There seems to be a certain breed of believers, who are confused about what a lie actually is.
Not surprising in "Fonzie"'s case, as he's already been ambiguous about the definition of the word "yes".
This word has an established meaning. Look it up in your dictionary if you're confused.
But if you want your very own definition, well, then communication is impossible with you on any subject, because you want it to be impossible.
And why might that be, I wonder ?
I might as well just wonder, cause you certainly won't tell me.
Okay, I'll try again : Why did you lie ?
One of the many, many things you keep ignoring, is that we tried it and saw what happened. Which is why we're atheists.
A while back in this thread, you seemed to accept and understand that.
It would seem there's not a single thing you've said here that you don't eventually take back.
I'd ask you why you keep doing that, but let's get that other question answered first.
Why did you lie ? Answer the question.
I don't get it either. It's just plain weird. Other theists have pulled this trick, but when they got caught, they simply admitted it.
I mean, what does lying about this get him ? Absolutely nothing, but he does it anyway.
Very, very strange.
Desdenova,
I think you have mentioned that. Or should I say divined that.
Just overheard:
Atheist (A) to Atheist (B): "I don't think any of this was planned, there's no God and I'm playing a part in a play. It (play) was planned BTW".
Atheist (B) to Atheist (A): "OOOEEE, I just love your reasoning there LaLa - you're so smart. I meant we - ha ha! Yes WE are! What little planned play, sweetie-deedie?"
Atheist (A) to Atheist (B): "You rock baby. You know I haven't even read the planned play yetee petee! It's so planned I don't know what be happening! (excuse my espano, I know you will ha ha ha ha). It's planned it's planned and lights go on and off at the right time, curtain up and down, up and down, up and down."
Atheist (B) to Atheist (A): "Oh my sharpie! Ha, Ha, Ha, you're very funny! Where do you come up with these barbies? When does your planned play start?"
Atheist (A) to Atheist (B): "The planned play starts right at the Winter Solstice when the sun is farthest south and the length of time between sunrise and sunset is the shortest of the year - and, thanks buddy for asking!"
Atheist (B) to Atheist (A): "Oh I love your timing my brilliant no faith brother-wother - and your planned planning in this random world where planets just fly around haphazardly!"
Athiest (A) to Atheist (B): "Oh and that theist is a little wierd"
Atheist (B) to Atheist (A): "Oh boy, don't you know it!"
Fonzie, you've become unhinged.
Have you finally figured out how little your God has been helped by having you as his defender?
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
Lmao. What do we have here? A conversation between two atheists?!?!111oneone
Yeah, I know. We're so smart, right? Teehee ha ha. Yes we are.
.........What's a planned play?
Jesus Christ, what kind of atheists are these? Thirteen year old atheist homosexual Justin Bieber fans from New Jersey?
Pffft. Who celebrates the Winter Solstice? Everyone I know calls it Christmas.
Awesome. Planets flying around randomly. Sounds good to me.
(not really)
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
Don't post when you're drunk, "Fonzie". You already have enough other problems.
I think he nailed his (and his god's) self-contradictory nature quite well, don't you?
He's projecting it on us because he can't look in the mirror.
Or the lithium is eating his brain (along with some Pink Floyd-esque worms)
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
I'm afraid that might be true in some way.
What we're sometimes in danger of forgetting in this thread, brother-wother, is that this guy really is a mental patient who's not receiving the care he needs.
My mom was lucky enough to get the right treatment and competent doctors to help her, but even for her it took years before the medication was balanced enough to even work.
In his case, well....I don't think the average (ie, not rich) American patient could afford half of what his condition calls for. So it's probably a little inappropriate for me to keep asking him to get his blood tested every week. Chances are he can't pay for it.
Meh, what the heck, I'll just ask him.
Hey, "Fonzie", is the reason why you won't get your blood tested simply a matter of money ?
Cuz if it is, sweetie-deedie, I'll gladly stop suggesting it.
Anonymouse,
You didn't answer my question, now i'm real curious and interested. How did you know about a 2007 thread when you joined in 2008? Were you under a different internet call name on this site? Did you read all the archives when you joined?
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Upside
Missed one, did I ?
Okay, I knew because I was reading it before I registered. I already mentioned it was Fonzie/Meph who inspired me to stop lurking.
(So to stop me from repeating myself, please read the thread)
My turn : The friend you mentioned who alerted you to the existence of this thread, was it "Fonzie" ?
Sorry for asking, but it seems amazing to me that anyone else would even care.
Anonymouse/Rebecca/OthersInterested,
Wikipedia says this, first definition...a lie is is a known untruth expressed as truth. I do not think that this definition or other definitions listed there in Wikipedia can be an accurate definition of a lie given the collective audience on this site and the perspectives and beliefs held by everyone.
Here is my thought, our "Known Untruth" is where theists and athiest differ right? So a lie is different based on what you see as truth. I guess there really are two sides to seeing truth, athiest or theist belief of what truth is. What athiests see as truth about Faith/God, well I see it as a lie. What I see as truth atheists see as, well, a lie. So a lie is really up in the air collectively on this site from all I can gather respectively.
Please again, can you post more than one word or one link to wikipedia. There is really something to this lie definition and what i'm pointing out. I'm not talking about some lie some person made on this site or anything other than what I just said last paragraph.
As for meds and mental stuff you guys are throwing around, check it out, someone's beliefs aren't a product of medicine or child born defects. I've read some crazy side effects for various medicines, but true faith and belief in God is not one of them. Faith and belief or disbelief is a decision not a side effect. A person may feel like they are God if they are on some crazy high or taking some drugs regularly, but even that couldn't last long before a person crashes. This is something a person decides when they get older, a rite of passage, like a bigger decision than say marriage. Come on, leave the medical challenges aside, your posts on that stuff aren't really cool at all. Jump on my lie discussion instead.
Based on me being a theist, an athiest may say that I am crazy for that. Based on you being an athiest, a thiest might say, that's crazy, they are crazy for that. Nobody is going to be sitting on a cloud or whatever laughing or reveling in the fact that some people go to hell. Is that really the point of posts by the thread owner??
Also, the whole thing posted about christians doing wrong and feeling good about it because they have unlimited wrong doing through grace/Jesus, is way off. Just saying, it is way off. That is not the point of "grace", and that is not the type of "subscription" christians believe in or live on. The Bible as a whole does not paint that picture. The point is that theists believe in a God that wants them to live a life they were created for. So this doesn't involve being entangled in things that take away from that. That is pretty much it, simple, no unlimited jerk pass, no laughing at Hell's gate, that's all way off. Nobody has a license to do wrong regardless of atheist or theist. Money and Power may have more influence on people self assigning this "unlimited jerk pass." Some thinking they are greater than they are, holier or whatever than they are, may make a person think they can have an "unlimited jerk pass."
It's all way off, unlimited wrong doing pass for theists.
Upside
No need for apology dude(et). Answer is yes, of course, I think I mentioned that in the 2007 thread already. I can see why you would have wondered, there have been a couple other theists in and out of this thread as well. You a dude or dudet or want to remain as unknown?
Upside
He's your friend ? This is wonderful ! Then can you maybe answer the question for him ?
I mean, do you have any clue why he refuses to admit that he made the WHAT FAITH YOU thread ?
Oh, and thanks so much for answering a simple question honestly without making me repeat it for a whole year first. That really is refreshing.
Not sure why it matters, but yeah, I am a dude.
Whoa, whoa ! Slow down, dude !
On this particular issue, we don't differ at all. It's really almost beyond simple : Remember when I asked you if you were the guy who posted in Fonzie/Meph's thread before ?
You said yes, because it was you. You told the truth. Simple, right ?
Now if you'd said no, you would have told a lie. Agreed ?
There you go then.
It wasn't a lie about god or religion or anything like that. So no, not up in the air.
See, this is why I asked you to read the thread first.
I'm sorry but my posts on that subject are more than relevant. There are dangers involved with taking lithium at his age that he seems to be happily ignoring. So I hope you'll understand that I couldn't care less if I'm considered "cool" or not. Could be this is a financial issue, and he simply can't afford the regular bloodtests. I asked him, but he hasn't told me yet, so I have no idea what the problem is there. If that really is the reason, then I'll gladly apologise for repeating that advice.
And again, I'm sorry, but a regular intake of lithium does have an effect on a person's mental state, and so does the mental condition he's taking it for. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.
What he calls "faith", on the other hand, that's an opinion, to which he is more than welcome.
I would be very much surprised if we still disagree on that.
The thread owner has had all his questions answered. Multiple times, sometimes by the same people, who had no idea they already explained these things to him before.
So we would really appreciate it if the thread owner would stop repeating questions that have already been answered, whilst crowing how that never happened.
Is that really so much to ask ?
I mean, I know we have to repeat the same stuff a lot on this forum, but to the same guy ? For over three years ???
Why ???
If you say so.
So if that's true, why did he lie then ? Didn't he get the memo ?
Kapkao,
There's a disadvantage we have knowing what God is doing - it's called being humans. You can get an impression of what you think it should be - and wrong impressions can be quickly believed, but still wrong.
You're just assuming that was aimed at you ? Don't be so hard on yourself.
Btw, are you aware that you're trying to have a conversation with a jpeg ?
Fonzie, there's an advantage we have knowing we are more moral than God - it's called being human. We accept that our actions have consequences and we don't have a deity to sweep them under his rug.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
edit: dammit. Didn't notice that damn logo up there until it was too late.
“A meritocratic society is one in which inequalities of wealth and social position solely reflect the unequal distribution of merit or skills amongst human beings, or are based upon factors beyond human control, for example luck or chance. Such a society is socially just because individuals are judged not by their gender, the colour of their skin or their religion, but according to their talents and willingness to work, or on what Martin Luther King called 'the content of their character'. By extension, social equality is unjust because it treats unequal individuals equally.” "Political Ideologies" by Andrew Heywood (2003)
Point taken. I'll give it a rest. Hope everyone else does the same.
Edit : *looks down*
I spoke too soon.
Oh well, I guess if I want him to stop lying to me, I should stop talking to him.
Bye Meph. Take care of yourself.
Don't look at the picture Fonzie. It's sinful. Oh, and definitely don't go to the website. It's heathen heaven.
Edit: O.o
Was this the wrong time to post a satirical comment? I'm sorry Fonzie; I can't help it. Don't take it seriously. You can look at the website if you want.
Edit: AH, I did it again. That didn't sound right.
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
I guess because this thread has spanned a couple of years and so many responses, I made up my mind that I was actually going to read the thing til the end.
Why, I don't really know, it's sort of like certain films or certain books that I have managed to get through, simply for the sake of saying that I did it.
Although it took me a couple of SLOW Sunday afternoons when nothing was going on, and a few glances per day, I finally made it all the way up to the latest posting. (Unless more responses come of course).
Now granted, I can't put that I read IT WORKS FOR ME from start to finish on a resume, BUT ! I could not resist the opportunity to brag on myself for making it.
Now I just have to tackle The Holy Grail thread and Grandpa's theistic answers thread.
But, as of right now, when someone tells me that they have read War and Peace, I am going to have the pleasure of telling them "That's nothing, I read IT WORKS FOR ME. Try and compare that to Tolstoy,". It will be funny to see how many people might say "It works for me ? I seem to remember hearing something about that, is it a good read ?,". To which I will reply "OH YES,".
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
I know what a lie is, thanks.
If all the Christians who have called other Christians " not really a Christian " were to vanish, there'd be no Christians left.
It is interesting how he joined Fonzie's little "Let's evade direct questions" league so quickly...
Pity, I had hopes from earlier posts.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
Ha! It just keeps going and going. Watch when it gets to the bottom because nobody is posting. He'll bump it.
If all the Christians who have called other Christians " not really a Christian " were to vanish, there'd be no Christians left.
I don't consider Fonzie's statement that 'it works for him,' a lie. I'm defining lying as intentionally expressing something that you know is false. So, aside from the fact that "working" needs to be defined, even if it doesn't actually "work" for Fonzie, he thinks it does, so it's not a lie. On the other hand, if Fonzie did post under a different name in an older thread, but denies it, that would be lying.
Upside, I don't think people are really serious about the medical stuff, as far as I can tell. At least....I'm not. They're just insulting Fonzie and poking fun. And, maybe, trying to help him in case he does have a medical condition? I can't be completely sure about any of it. Fonzie is weird.
Lmao.
You even read my conversation with Fonzie from like 2 years ago? Eewww.
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
Nope, deadly serious. He's putting his health and even the effect of his medication in danger by refusing to take regular bloodtests. His age is another factor that makes this even more risky.
O.o
He's on medication?
How old is he?
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
Yes, he really is on lithium. He volunteered that information without being asked. Twice.
You really thought we were just trying to insult him ?
He has a bunch of grandkids, the oldest of which must be around 6 by now, I guess, and he's retired, so I'm guessing in his 60s ?
In any case, age is a factor when you're taking lithium. He has to be extra careful, so he should be having bloodtests at least every two months.
He said he doesn't.
It would be a relief if he was lying about that too.
Harleysportster,
That was a marathon effort. Did you "hit the wall" at about 21 miles?
I think you could grasp the fact in that overview that there is nothing of substance contributed by atheists. Once the pearls are trampled and a couple cows are stuck in the mud - others looking on in "fear and hope" they are left to their emptiness, lurking for something of substance to devour.
Remember that Noah built the ark in about 100 years preaching to his generation. In the end it wasn't those who watched the building or admired the ark that were saved but rather those who were on the ark. Get on the ark and your Sunday afternoons won't be so dull as to drive you to read this thread.
Speaking as a person who wasted a whole year trying to get him to answer just one little question without lying, I sincerely hope your conclusion after reading this farce is that talking to "Fonzie" is a waste of time.
A waste of a lot of time.
Well................yeah.
Especially since zarathustra kept satirizing Fonzie by telling him to believe in Elvis. I thought the lithium was just part of it.
Oh.
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare
I agree that he is a total waste of time. That's why I am not going to even fool with answering him.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
JC G. / Anonymouse - I don't remember a question I evaded? I mean, it is hard to keep up on all that is said, but I haven't had much directed my way so I think I have kept up? The last question Anonymouse asked me was not a question I can answer. I am not he, and I do not know why or what he did straight up; did he avoid a question, brush it aside, answer incorrectly, was vague or what? From what I read in Anonymouse post quoting the post numbers, it sounded like a question not answered, avoided. I haven't discussed any more than what I read from Anonymouse. If there is a question for me that I missed, please let me know
Rebecca, you clearly didn't want to discuss what I wrote, your choice, but I think you get what I was saying and perhaps aren't interested. That's okay. Just in case, let me say again though, Anonymouse chose to tell me he is a dude, if he is really a chick, that is a lie, I believe him and I get this simple lie definition.
Rebecca/All Interested, This forum is Athiest vs Theist when I clicked in, it could be all about
, but I posed the idea that we (atheist and theists) don't agree what lie truly is. I posed the idea that our "known untruth" is actually not something we agree on, so I repeat myself to say that a lie on this site is not able to be clearly defined accross the crowd. I went on to say that what athiests believe, I believe is a lie, and I believe an athiest would say the same about what theists believe. What athiests believe is a lie, it isn't true. Then this discussion could have lead to possible discussions of defending of why what theists believe isn't a lie, or you defending why what you believe isn't a lie. Since I can't discuss with you what a lie is, I don't feel we'll get very far in the second part of that conversation, since the first part ended with you sending a 5 or 6 word sentence. I think all could be good discussion, but you may not be interested it seems by your response. I think the point of this forum is atheist vs theist defending of faith whether it be faith in no God or faith in God. I would think then that people would come to this forum to defend, discuss, bash, have fun, heckle, but the first 2 would have most value.
Butterbattle, thanks for your response to my thread. I'd like to learn more about the definition of "works" in the title "it WORKS for him." What does it mean for the faith to work? I guess that could seem subjective to the viewer. Good point. I guess if people thought it "worked" they'd be on board. I mean who wants something that doesn't work? Nobody.
Anonymouse, ok so you are a medical professional? Nurse or doctor I am assuming? You can say if you want, up to you, either way it doesn't matter. What do you want to do with the blood tests you suggest? What if these are done weekly? What would you do with them? How could you guide them? I don't see anything out on web md or on the net for this type of direction, it is interesting to me. I hear of people who suffer from diabetes, they check their sugar several times during the day, but there is a noticable problem that occurs if they don't. They become like drunk, could pass out, several symptoms. How could a guys blood change in a week, and how would that help if you had the blood charts? Please explain your recommendation to those who have no clue.
Upside